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Xplantdad
12-02-2007, 07:02 PM
As some of you have figured out by now, I like to research and write about classic iron. This is particularly puzzling considering how much I enjoy picture books over books with lots of words http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif . For those not interested in the history/background http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif scroll down to the photos of my “beautiful” mount.


My 1962 Savoy is Plymouth’s base offering in a line up including the Belvedere, Fury, and Sport Fury. There were no stripes, scoops, or call-outs to distinguish this sedan from Granny’s slant-six grocery-getter. This reserved looking MoPar is packing serious power by way of the Maximum Performance Engine Package. In fact, Gordy Carlson bought this factory-sponsored racecar in the spring of ’62 with instructions from Chrysler’s Racing Director, to go head-to-head with the best drag cars from Ford and GM. Enthusiast magazines soon labeled these special Plymouths “Max Wedge” or “Super Stock” (S/S). The Dodges had their similar “Ramcharger” racing program. Shortly after their introduction, these new “kids” on the strip redefined the top Stock classes.


The “Max Wedge” program was Chrysler’s official entry into a factory sponsored racing program. Up to this point, the mindset within Chrysler did not embrace the idea of factory sponsored racing the way GM and Ford did. In fact the competition was building impressive credentials at the drag strip and leaving Chrysler behind. Chrysler’s new president, Lynn Townsend, singled out Product Planning Engineer Tom Hoover, the Godfather of the “Hemi” and a founding member of the Ramchargers Drag Racing Club, to see what he could do to help out with Chrysler’s dreary racing image. In October of 1961, with the president’s backing and a blank change request, Tom Hoover launched the legendary “Max Wedge” program.


Incredibly, so many essential elements for Townsend’s racing initiative came together in a very short period of time. Some by design, some by chance. Prior to Lynn’s top posting, Chrysler executives had decided to downsize the ’62 Plymouths and Dodges based on misinterpreted information coming from GM. Two things resulted - one inconsequential to drag racers, the other monumental. First, as a result of a quick styling do-over to facilitate the markedly smaller size, the cars were awkward looking. Secondly, and of big interest to racers, the cars went on a serious natural diet, lopping off as much as 10 inches in length, 2 inches in wheelbase, and over 300 pounds in weight. This plus the introduction of unibody construction put the “Max Wedge” cars two to three hundred pounds lighter than even the Ford and GM lightweight aluminum cars. The Savoy had an impressive rating of 7.77 lbs/HP with a shipping weight of just 3185 lbs.


As the Chrysler engineers were formulating their new drag racer, the NHRA was in the process of revising their rules for the upcoming season. Chrysler paid very close attention to one rule in particular. Only factory-assembly-line-installed and/or show-room-sales-available equipment are permitted for stock class entries. Up to that time, dealer-installed optional engine packages were allowed to run legally in stock classes. Also, the Super Super/Stock (SS/S) class was established and was set aside for only the newest vehicles with the top horsepower options. Chrysler was intent on dominating it.


So, what was the Maximum Performance Engine Package? To be sure, it was a lot more than just a drag racing motor stuffed in a mid-size car. A $545.00 option that included a well-engineered and complete package with numerous performance and durability upgrades to the entire powertrain and suspension. The engine was, however, the centerpiece of the racing package. The “Super Stock” 413 was based on the “B” block assembly introduced in 1958, but with notable upgrades. That included forged-aluminum high dome pistons squeezing the air-fuel mixture in the wedge-shaped combustion chambers at either 11:1 for 410 HP/460 TQ or 13.5:1 for 420 HP/470 TQ. A completely new head was used on the drag engines with large intake (2.08”) and exhaust valves (1.88”) and a full race valve train. The camshaft had .500” of lift and 300o duration utilizing mechanical lifters. The heart of the performance boost, however, was the short-ram intake system with a pair of 525 cfm Carter AFBs atop. Hoover’s team took the 30” long ram intakes then found on the big Chryslers and shortened the runners to 15” and oriented them diagonally (read cross ram). This effectively raised the maximum HP/RPM level in the engine making it ideal for drag racing. They also designed a superb set of free flowing headers. The 2” passages swept up and back like ram’s horns in a smooth arc then down to 3” head pipes. They terminated under the car in 3” Laker cutouts with caps. Removing these was good for an additional 70 HP.


I bought my Luminous Blue “Super Stock” three years ago and immediately began my research. I got help from folks like Chrysler guru, Galen Govier, and retired Chrysler executive, Darrell Davis. Darrell is real gem of a fellow and is very willing to share his unique information. He is very knowledgeable on Chrysler’s early racing efforts particularly dealing with the cross ram Max Wedge and Racing Hemi programs. He and I grew up I the same neck of the woods, but didn’t know each other. I had a good lead on the original owner’s whereabouts and eventually caught up with him in 2006. Gordy was very enthusiastic in telling me about his car’s remarkable past. It was shipped from the Lynch Road plant in Michigan to the Fred Emich Plymouth dealership in Evanston, IL in late May. Ronnie Householder, Chrysler’s Racing Boss, arranged for it to be delivered to then 23 year old Gordy Carlson of Chicago. He was holding down two jobs at the time. During the daytime he wrenched at Henry Susk Pontiac at Grand and Wabash Avenues and in the evenings at Ernie’s Standard Service Station at the corner of California and Peterson Avenues. Ronnie and Gordy had met at Daytona in 1960 when Gordy was crewing for stock car racer Pop McGinnis. Gordy must have left an impression as he received the very first “Super Stock” with a manual transmission released by the factory.

The car was delivered with the 410 HP engine and the Borg-Warner T-85 Heavy Duty 3 speed tranny. There were no 4 speeds in the Chrysler inventory that could handle the tremendous torque of the 413 drag engine. The T-85s were difficult to hook up and were quite sluggish to shift, according to Gordy. This was a real challenge for him going up against the GMs and Fords with their superior 4 speeds, but Gordy persevered. Being sponsored by Chrysler, he would race on the weekend and call Ronnie on Monday to report his results. Ronnie would then send him new parts to improve performance. One such upgrade was to raise the compression to 13.5:1 with hardware provided by the factory. I asked Gordy if the car pinged with the ultra high compression. He said, “if it did I didn’t hear it with all the noise that engine made”. Gordy steadily improved by working on his launching and shifting techniques and was very impressed with the “Max Wedge’s” capabilities. He had good success in the tri-state area including drag strips at Union Grove, Cordova, and U.S. 30 and observed, “The ‘409s’ ran when I showed up” Gordy was the first in the stock classes to break into the 12’s at the tracks he raced, but what impressed him most was turning high teens in mph through the traps. These cars were obviously traction limited as the tire technology severely lagged powertrain development, but the terrific speeds at the end of the quarter mile were a testament to the power being developed by the “Max Wedge” engines.


When I visited with Gordy in Chicago this past March I asked him about his favorite memories with the Savoy. He told me he used to be very quiet and shy in “those” days. One evening while working at the service station, three of Chicago’s finest strolled in to check out his mysterious ride. This worried the reserved racer. After checking the car out the cops asked him for a ride. Gordy told me, “The interest was always there when you opened the hood or started the motor and they heard it rumble”. Gordy obliged. The cop in the front seat was not prepared for what happened next. “I scared him to death when I stuck my foot in it”, said Gordy. His two compatriots had to peel him off of the front seat and Gordy remembers the cop nearly had a heart attack because of the unexpectedly brutal ride in the Plymouth. According to Gordy, he was only used to the performance of the paddy wagons.


Gordy sold the Savoy for $2,000.00 in the spring of ‘63 to another fellow in the Chicago area, Jerry Zielinski. Jerry also has many fond memories of his old mount and raced it regularly in various stock classes from ’63 to ’70. He too raced it at Union Grove, and even at the indoor Amphitheatre in Chicago, but his favorite spot was the U.S. 30 Dragway in Indiana. He had good success and collected plenty of trophies and class wins. Jerry remembers taking his S/S to the “Pie Pan”, a local favorite with racers, known for their delicious pies and for its proximity to Edens Expressway where impromptu street racing would occur. At the racetracks, however, Jerry’s Dad was his biggest fan where he could be found proudly cheering on his son. As a tribute, Jerry eventually named the car “Mister Z” in honor of his father.


Just 116 “Max Wedge” Savoy 2-door sedans were made during the short production run at the tail end of the ‘62 model year. Mine was the eighth “Super Stock” Savoy produced. The Chrysler Registry indicates it is the earliest of only 25 of the special Savoys accounted for today. The seat covers, headliner, and door panels are original. The odometer reads just over 5,600 original miles. My Plymouth has no power steering or brakes, radio, side view mirror, carpeting, reverse lights, cigar lighter, or rear seat armrests. These were all power-robbing, weight-adding options and, according to the original Build Sheet, were not ordered. However, with an eye toward safety, Gordy ordered seat belts.


The car is a ball-buster to drive even with cheater slicks. The Sure-Grip has 4.56 gears and winds up real quick. Won’t hook on the street http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif , which is a good thing. Powertrain items are rare and expensive. I have the front torsion bar suspension cranked up about 2.5” as was permitted by NHRA stock rules in ’62. This was common in the day to pre-load the rear axle for supposed better launch. I am in regular contact with Gordy and Jerry. Jerry is retired, but Gordy continues in the auto upholstery business (27 years) with his son on North Clark Street in Chicago. He is tracking down some photos of the Savoy racing back in the day for me. Thanks to Ken “Kwhizz”, Bruce “Xplantdad”, and Rob “Chevy454” for their help with my research. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif


Sam

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Z-11 396
12-02-2007, 08:00 PM
+++ Sam +++ What a great story, information, and outstanding ole photo's.... A really Fantastic car, you've got to be proud driving that machine...Thanks for sharing...Kasey .. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

427TJ
12-02-2007, 08:55 PM
BEAUTIFUL car!

47Hammer
12-02-2007, 09:36 PM
Sam,

Great write up on a special car with a documented racing history. Excellent pictures as well, love the color, looks like you've had her at Pavilions already. Very nice job. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Verne_Frantz
12-02-2007, 09:41 PM
Sam,
Now THAT is a book worth reading and a CAR worth seeing!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
The car is stunning! The old photos with it make it very special. What a piece if history... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Thanks so much for sharing.

Verne

markjohnson
12-02-2007, 10:16 PM
WOW! I don't even know where to begin. The well-documented history, the vintage drag photos, etc. I just love this car. Of those 62-65 Dodges/Plymouths, the '62's are my favorites(especially the Plymouths!). They just appear so sinister-looking. They are commonly known as the least attractive of that era, but maybe that's why they appeal so much to me. That is NOT a car for impressing females, that is a true Racer's Special. You gotta love that exhaust system with the factory 'dumps'. Chrysler really had some courage to release an exhaust system like that on a production car. Outstanding car and thanks for sharing.

x Baldwin Motion
12-02-2007, 10:36 PM
wow !! great story Sam, interesting educational entertainment. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

excellent vintage photos and history!!

I really like the James Bond revolving license plate in front. Whats the rear say?


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Xplantdad
12-02-2007, 10:48 PM
Sam,

Thanks for sharing your way cool Savoy with us! I remember the first time I saw (maybe I should say...heard) it...

It's definitely got a sound you wont forget anytime soon. The amount of documentation that Sam has for this car fills an entire photo album.

Sam is an awesome person...and I am lucky that he considers me a friend of his. His priorities are are parallel to mine...family first...cars, yep...and headlight shots http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

By the way Chris...the license plate on the back says "MAXSAVY"

Thanks again Sam!

BTW, I hope you don't mind that I added the interior shot, the close up of the cutout shot and the decal shot to your collection of really cool photos! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

47Hammer
12-02-2007, 11:09 PM
Thanks for sharing your way cool Savoy with us! I remember the first time I saw (maybe I should say...heard) it...


Bruce, Your slipping, where is the video of this monster running!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Xplantdad
12-02-2007, 11:11 PM
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Thanks for sharing your way cool Savoy with us! I remember the first time I saw (maybe I should say...heard) it...


Bruce, Your slipping, where is the video of this monster running!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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That will have to come from Sam...or, I could always go over to his house and take a few videos... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

x Baldwin Motion
12-02-2007, 11:25 PM
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......... I could always go over to his house and take a few videos... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

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I need to hear that monster uncorked!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

737Driver
12-03-2007, 01:05 AM
Without a doubt, one of the coolest cars I've seen in many a moon. AWESOME http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

mockingbird812
12-03-2007, 01:15 AM
Bruce - I thot you snuck a couple shots in there that I didn't recognize http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif ! Thanks again for posting the story of the old beast.

I'll get a video of her making noise. My boys are the videographers and I have proposed a video (w/ sound) session with them. It is just a big challenge working into their busy schedule http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif . Pops just ain't top priority with a 17 and 19 year old anymore http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif .

m22mike
12-03-2007, 01:35 AM
Sam
If you were still in Canfield I would come over just to lick the tires clean for you !
Congrats on a awsome car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

Tenney
12-03-2007, 01:41 AM
Gets no cooler - great car.

DaveC68
12-03-2007, 01:54 AM
Great story and history....
the thing I love about these old cars.

Xplantdad
12-03-2007, 03:35 AM
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Bruce - I thot you snuck a couple shots in there that I didn't recognize http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif ! Thanks again for posting the story of the old beast.

I'll get a video of her making noise. My boys are the videographers and I have proposed a video (w/ sound) session with them. It is just a big challenge working into their busy schedule http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif . Pops just ain't top priority with a 17 and 19 year old anymore http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif .

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Just get Cubby involved...she'll do anything for a burger! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

SUSQ
12-03-2007, 04:56 AM
What a beast Sam! The York US30 window sticker is cool too! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

kwhizz
12-03-2007, 05:21 AM
Sam...................Wow!!!........Awsum Car!!.....By the way, it looks like the last four pictures are from Union Grove....... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

mockingbird812
12-03-2007, 05:43 AM
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Sam...................Wow!!!........Awsum Car!!.....By the way, it looks like the last four pictures are from Union Grove....... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

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Good eye Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ! All four photos are all dated July 17th 1966. This was when Jerry Z had the car.

mockingbird812
12-03-2007, 05:51 AM
When Gordy raced the car in '62 the tracks required him to send his exhaust to the perimeter of the car with a set up like below. I recreated it with his inputs. It reminds me of a jet aircraft for some reason http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif . It changes the pitch of the Max Wedge to a more throaty, satisfying sound http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif !


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Belair62
12-03-2007, 06:03 AM
Sam...Beils Upholstery does excellent work. I used to work in that area..never forget...even in the late 70's seeing a 53 Skylark pull out of Beils....sell me the Savoy !!

kwhizz
12-03-2007, 06:07 AM
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Sam...................Wow!!!........Awsum Car!!.....By the way, it looks like the last four pictures are from Union Grove....... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

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Good eye Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ! All four photos are all dated July 17th 1966. This was when Jerry Z had the car.

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I was probably out there that day with my 3 month old L-79 Nova (Marina Blue SS) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif...Took Delivery from Hoskins Chevrolet on April 16th http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

kwhizz
12-03-2007, 06:26 AM
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Looks like Palmer Lazarus's Orange Willys behind the Plymouth.....Also a neat Chevelle on the left side of the Pic...........

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Postsedan
12-03-2007, 06:37 AM
What can I say....it`s a Post Sedan http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Way cool.....Sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Dan.

kwhizz
12-03-2007, 06:39 AM
I remember a guy in the Neighborhood that had a 62 or 63 Dodge Max Wedge Torqflite car....He drove it daily and it timed out that as I was walking to School in the morning he would be going to work.....Loved to hear the "Muscle" Sound......as I remember they were manual Choke cars and when the Weather got Cold.....That Car wasn't going anywhere until it got warm enough to keep running when the "D" button was pushed......I think the car lasted one or two winters and he got Married and the Dodge was replaced with a Slant Six Dart
Have a lot of Memories of that car with the "Rumpity" Idle and the Shoe Polish Numbers on the Window from the Drag Strip..Very Impressionable on a Young "Whizz"

Ken

mockingbird812
12-03-2007, 08:14 AM
Max Wedge motors did not like the cold wx http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif . There was no heat cross-over on the intake manifold and Chrysler warned of carburetor icing. A service bulletin recommended covering the radiator and using a gasoline with anti-icing additives. "In winter weather, a rich surging condition, misfiring, and unstable engine operation may be encountered which may be severe and make ordinary street driving extremely difficult and undesirable" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

You are right. They did have a manual choke. One pull knob connected to two cables/choke levers (3rd knob from the left).


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mockingbird812
12-03-2007, 05:31 PM
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Sam...Beils Upholstery does excellent work. I used to work in that area..never forget...even in the late 70's seeing a 53 Skylark pull out of Beils....sell me the Savoy !!

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Bob - I was wondering if any of the locals would know Beil's. Gordy owns it and operates it and his son and several other workers are on the payroll. I got the grand tour which was a lot of fun. The attic is like a maze and holds an impressive stock of vintage cloth/vinyl/leather. He has some very rare upholstery, vinyl roof, and convertible top material in his storage facility. Some of it dates back to the 20's and 30's. Plenty of sixties/seventies stuff too http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif . He is very proud of his business and is in the process of turning it over to his son.
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tabooo
12-04-2007, 01:42 AM
Where is Sam Beils located?

mockingbird812
12-04-2007, 02:03 AM
Beils is on about (don't have address in front of me) 6500 block of North Clark St. Chicago.

bkhpah
12-04-2007, 02:40 AM
Pure baddass..BKH http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Belair62
12-04-2007, 02:53 AM
Yep..Clark near Peterson. Bet he would remember a 53 Skylark coming out of there with what looked like a new top. Damn car looked near to rallye green...just beautiful with a white convert top.

mockingbird812
12-04-2007, 07:19 AM
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Sam
If you were still in Canfield I would come over just to lick the tires clean for you !
Congrats on a awsome car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

So, Mike, your saying you saw dirt on my tires http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif ? Man, that is border-line fanatical Mike! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

olredalert
12-04-2007, 05:47 PM
-----Naw,,,Sam,,,He just likes the taste of Armorall. Either that or you have been using marmalade for better stick at the strip!!!...........Bill S

m22mike
12-05-2007, 03:25 AM
Actually I like the taste of "Son Of A Gun" better ! Armorall is to greasy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

mockingbird812
12-05-2007, 04:26 AM
Here she is in stock street trim (sans hubcaps) in front of Jerry Z's house shortly after buying it from Gordy (early '63)...


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/SavoyNewtoJerry.jpg

Notice the torsion bars are cranked way up in the front http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif .

1970Bluel78
12-05-2007, 06:27 PM
Great story . Thanks for Sharing....

Zedder
12-06-2007, 05:34 AM
Very cool Sam...congrats and thanks for sharing!

mockingbird812
12-06-2007, 05:41 AM
Thanks fellows. Its my pleasure. I am really proud of her. I grew up with MoPar (all LoPo) and have a soft spot for odd, non-pretty ones! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/SavoyStockJersHome.jpg

Anybody recognize the neighborhood?

ORIGLS6
12-06-2007, 08:51 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I grew up with MoPar (all LoPo) and have a soft spot for odd, non-pretty ones!:

[/ QUOTE ]

Kinda reminds me of some of the 'plain girls' in high school who turned out to be knock-outs a few years later.

You gotta look past the surface!

I too remember the sound of those Max Wedge cars. Still makes my heart race and puts a BIG smile on my face when I hear them.

Only one thing to say; I LOVE IT!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

69hurstSC
12-09-2007, 05:54 AM
oh hell yeah!! what a beautiful sleeping monster!

mockingbird812
12-09-2007, 09:26 PM
Both Gordy and Jerry said the Plymouth did see limited street duty. Can you imagine being on the receiving end of an S/S on the street back in the early 60's? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/P1000447.jpg

1970ChevelleSS
12-11-2007, 11:07 PM
WOW Sam that is awesome.

DaJudge
12-12-2007, 12:25 AM
Awesome car Sam it's good to see a Mopar here http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

mockingbird812
01-14-2008, 10:09 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Thanks for sharing your way cool Savoy with us! I remember the first time I saw (maybe I should say...heard) it...


Bruce, Your slipping, where is the video of this monster running!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


Bruce cracked the whip and I got busy. My boys and I had some fun this weekend video taping the Savoy making some noise and smoke. Dad’s fun was driving the Plymouth, my boys’ “fun” was shooting the video and teaching (dense) Dad to edit the digital video tape. We headed out to a relatively remote area of the Sonoran Desert so as not to bother anyone and here’s what we got....


Making dBs and CO in the S/S! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M386HddllY)


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

P.S. Special thanks to Mick, Keith, and the boys! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

ORIGLS6
01-14-2008, 10:25 PM
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif Damned Corporate firewalls! Guess I'll have to wait 'til I get home. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

x Baldwin Motion
01-14-2008, 10:47 PM
[ QUOTE ]
.... where is the video of this monster running!!![/b] http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


Bruce cracked the whip and I got busy. My boys and I had some fun this weekend video taping the Savoy making some noise and smoke. Dad’s fun was driving the Plymouth, my boys’ “fun” was shooting the video and teaching (dense) Dad to edit the digital video tape. We headed out to a relatively remote area of the Sonoran Desert so as not to bother anyone and here’s what we got....


Making dBs and CO in the S/S! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M386HddllY)


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

P.S. Special thanks to Mick, Keith, and the boys! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

That is a way http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifcool video !! Was hoping for a little more smoke though!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif


Two questions if I may Sam.
What program did you use to assemble the stills/video/audio tracks?
and why does the last video clip show the car reversed with you driving on the wrong side? John is the walrus? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

mockingbird812
01-14-2008, 11:09 PM
Hey Chris,

Thanks. It was fun putting it together. It was my 1st and I look forward to the next one. I used Mac's iMovieHD. Really pretty simple, if you have a personal tutor (aka my youngest son). You are sharp Chris. I was goofing with the last clip. Man, nothing gets past you guys!


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

Verne_Frantz
01-14-2008, 11:44 PM
Super COOL http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Vid Sam!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif And yes, I did notice the RH drive version at the end!

I loved the way it sounded when you started it!

Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Xplantdad
01-14-2008, 11:44 PM
Awesome! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

47Hammer
01-15-2008, 12:56 AM
Sam,

Fantastic job on the video, I'm jealous on the music and editing, that was fun to watch and I'm sure you boys had a great time making it too. No writers strike in the desert. Now I'm feeling some serious pressure to get my video up and running. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

70 Forest Green Zee
01-15-2008, 01:13 AM
Great car Sam and a super video.....I really enjoyed watching that. That Savoy really sounds healthy!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Seattle Sam
01-15-2008, 03:43 AM
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

427TJ
01-15-2008, 04:10 AM
Great video! Good choice of music too.

kwhizz
01-15-2008, 04:55 AM
A "Continuation" of History..........Great Job!!!

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

1970ChevelleSS
01-15-2008, 11:33 PM
WOW Sam that was an awesome Video.

ORIGLS6
01-16-2008, 05:48 AM
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif I was smiling through the entire show.

However, I disagree; being behind the wheel of that would be Very Satisfying! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif


Damn she sounds good!!!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

mockingbird812
01-16-2008, 06:13 AM
Glad you all like it. I picked the song for a few reasons

1. I had it in my collection.
2. Although there are other groups that I like better, this song is IMHO one of the best R&R songs of all time. Gets my blood pumping.
3. Get no satisfaction is a little bit like get no respect i.e. with looks like the Savoy you might pass it over as a quick car - the S/S did all its talking at the strip.

Gordy relayed a cool story to me at the diner when I met with him in March. He told me that he hit the tracks about 2 weeks or so after getting the car. He was still learning the car and all of its idiosyncrasies and still hadn't mastered it by the time he raced it at the drag strips. He took alot of ribbing at the track because of how ugly the car was. Well by the end of the evening Gordy hadn't performed the way he wanted and a bunch of 409 guys (Verne this is for you) came up to him with a "beer can trophy" with a crude inscription that said "first place - ugliest car". Gordy took it in good fun and came back to the tracks later after figuring his Plymouth out and began his dominance over those rascally 409s. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Xplantdad
01-16-2008, 06:22 AM
Neat story Sam!

Verne_Frantz
01-16-2008, 06:00 PM
Thanks Sam.... Those rascally 409 guys still act the same way today........... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

All in fun though... How could anyone NOT respect that Savoy today?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

mockingbird812
03-29-2008, 07:41 AM
Received some neat <font color="orange"> orange </font> surprises recently. Al Gartzman is one of Gordy's good friends from Chicago. They used to run around together when Gordy had his S/S. I run into him occasionally and saw him a couple of weeks ago at the Pavillions as he lives out here now. He asked me if I had ever heard of these (see photo) and I told him I had seen them on vintage cars over the years occasionally. Al used to have a sweet '62 421 hipo Pontiac but got rid of it and asked me if I would want these for my '62. He bowled me over. What a decent gesture. He told me where these plates came from which I did not know. Anyone know what these plates were used for (I obviously don't get out enuff)?


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/P1070398.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/P1070399.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/P1070402.jpg

mockingbird812
03-29-2008, 07:47 AM
Continuing with the <font color="orange"> orange </font> theme. I received this letter in the mail last week from Jerry Z., the second owner of the Super Stock. Just blew me away.


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/P1070396.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/P1070374.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/P1070376.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/P1070384.jpg

bilede
03-29-2008, 09:30 AM
I remember those fobs from several older vet relatives as they did that in AZ and if I remember correctly california too.. what a sweet addition and gesture!

Dog427435
03-29-2008, 09:43 AM
What a great piece! They were given out in NY for years also!

Xplantdad
03-30-2008, 05:12 AM
Car guys never cease to amaze me... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

firstgenaddict
03-30-2008, 05:21 AM
All Zeros and NOS... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

68l30
04-02-2008, 04:48 AM
[ QUOTE ]
All Zeros and NOS... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I think those are actually sample plates given to the DMV..some even say SAMPLE... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif


Steve http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

mockingbird812
04-02-2008, 05:04 AM
Steve - that's about right. As Al explained to me he got them from the "Currency Exchange" i.e. places that you got yr check cashed in the Chicago area. These stores would also double as proxy for dept. of motor vehicle where you could get your new plates. These samples would be displayed on the wall behind the counter to show what the new (each year they changed) colors were.

BTW, Al worked at Nickey Chevrolet for a few years in the parts dept. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

68l30
04-02-2008, 05:03 PM
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif


Steve

Z-11GUY
04-04-2008, 06:53 AM
That is a beautiful '62 Plymouth, I wonder if it is the same shade of blue Bill Hanyon of Milne Brother's Plymouth ran? As some can remember, Bill Hanyon Blair's speedshop tuned 413 blue '62 Savoy shut down all 1963 426 max wedge cars for S/SA class at the 1963 Pomona winternationals! Can you ask Gordy if he recalled racing Bures Hall or Bob Delia 409 and Z-11 427's in the same Chicago area? Thanks!!

mockingbird812
04-04-2008, 11:32 AM
Hey Raj, welcome aboard- sounds like you appreciate and been around these beasts. My info indicates that the Milne Bros. Ply. was a '62 Fury Hardtop. What I don't know is what tranny he had, but I'll bet you it was the push button 727 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif . My Plymouth was the darkest blue (really a medium blue) available from the factory (I have a Ditzler Paint chart for '62 Plymouths - but can't upload it tonight for some reason). He may have painted it a darker color or worked something out with the dealership when he ordered it. I will surely check with Gordy regarding racing Bures Hall or Bob Delia.

Thanks! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

So - interesting user name u got there! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

mockingbird812
04-04-2008, 11:51 AM
Let me try this....


http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/27705/2338357950048494552S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2338357950048494552OUplRJ)

Belair62
04-06-2008, 03:06 AM
Sam I remember Allen Gartzman..and his wife ! He used to go to cruises at Fluky's Hot Dogs in Niles. At the time he had a63 faux Super Duty Catalina...black/red guts. Later he moved to AZ I think and aquired the only known 62 SD Grand Prix ??? I think that was it anyway. I had my 61 faux SS Impala 409 at the time.

enio45
04-09-2008, 08:04 AM
Sam, great car and better in person!! Lets go for a ride
:-))

mockingbird812
04-28-2008, 03:51 AM
Just got some film back from photo store (converted to CD). Playing with my photo adjustment software. I like this view of the S/S. Race trim........


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/0000562-R1-008-2A_2.jpg

mockingbird812
04-28-2008, 04:16 AM
Coming at you!!!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/0000552-R1-025-11.jpg

mockingbird812
09-07-2008, 09:34 PM
What is the significance of an All-American Beauty in a patriotic bathing suit to an old Chicago area Plymouth?.......................



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/CarCraft62Plymouth.jpg

Xplantdad
09-07-2008, 09:57 PM
Is that the original owners daughter? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

PeteLeathersac
09-07-2008, 10:43 PM
Was she conceived in the back seat of the Savoy?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
~ Pete

Xplantdad
09-07-2008, 11:08 PM
Sam...no fair leaving us "hanging"!

mockingbird812
09-07-2008, 11:34 PM
Sorry, I headed out to brunch with the family. All good guesses guys (wish I could tell you she was conceived in the back seat) Drum roll.........

She graced the cover of another article on my Super Stock Plymouth in June of 1995 when Pat McGroder owned it.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/535683572lhgMNN_fs.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/535694482gxxheH_fs.jpg

Bill Pritchard
09-08-2008, 04:42 AM
Ahhhhhhhhh......so this car was at one time part of the McGroeder collection, eh http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif Rather legendary in the Phx area http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Kim_Howie
09-08-2008, 07:28 PM
Sam, What great story. It was great to meet you at the reuion. Love your picture of my car leaving the line. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

mockingbird812
09-09-2008, 08:21 AM
Yeah Kim - right back at you. Yankin' your skinnies was INSPIRATIONAL! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/69%20300%20Deluxe%20L78/P1100952_2.jpg

CC Rider
09-09-2008, 03:59 PM
Great story! Thanks for sharing it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Xplantdad
09-09-2008, 05:04 PM
Nice pic Sam! When are you gonna post the rest of your pics? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

x Baldwin Motion
09-10-2008, 03:28 AM
[ QUOTE ]
What is the significance of an All-American Beauty in a patriotic bathing suit to an old Chicago area Plymouth?.......................


They both share nicely centered well proportioned shiney headlights? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

mockingbird812
11-24-2009, 07:58 AM
I had a pleasant surprise on Saturday at the MCACN show. I knew I would be seeing Gordy Carlson again (owner of Beil's Upholstery on Clark St.) who bought my Super Stock Plymouth brand new in June of 1962. But, when I greeted him he asked me if I knew the other fellow with him. I sure did not recognize him (even though I had seen a few photos of him from the '60s). He introduced himself as Jerry Zielinski, the second owner of my Savoy. About bowled me over! I have talked to Jerry numerous times on the phone and exchanged letters too. He has been a great fellow to know and has passed on a lot of great stories about his old race car. Jerry still races and is currently building a new race/street car. It's kind of hard to get that out of your system. Gordy and Jerry have been in the same Car Club (Chicago Gear Heads) for years. It was originally formed by a few cops and has really grown to a large club. We had a great time getting caught up. The two of them reminisced about their exploits with the old Plymouth.

Gordy's on the left and Jerry is on the right. Bottom photo is Jerry with his Dad and "Mr Z" in the mid '60s. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/MCACN/DSC_0173.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/62%20Savoy/SavoyMrZJerry.jpg

ORIGLS6
11-24-2009, 09:01 AM
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Now THAT'S a car that needs to be at the 2010 MCACN!!!

Maybe I missed something but I didn't see a single max wedge this year. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

jeff morocco
11-24-2009, 05:30 PM
Sam, is that 2nd picture from Union Grove Wisconsin ? Great Lakes Dragaway ?

mockingbird812
11-24-2009, 07:05 PM
You bet Jeff. I don't have my photos with me, but I recall the dates noted on the back are June or July of '66.

Postsedan
11-24-2009, 07:39 PM
Sam,

Priceless, just simply Priceless! I not only do I agree with Dennis, your Savoy needs to me at MCACN in 2010.... I say bring either 1969 Chevelle`s too. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Dan.

Tenney
11-24-2009, 07:51 PM
Was hoping to check that one out, Sam! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif