69 L78 Pace car survivor

[RUQUIK]

1969 L78 Convertible Pace Car Survivor

Original engine with VIN, Fresh,front stamp decked off of block
VIN on block is perfect
Original CX code T-400 transmission, Fresh and all correct
Original 12 Bolt rear with 3.55 posi, all original GM
All original interior
Original perfect rosewood wheel
Tilt wheel
Power steering and power disc brakes, all brakes rebuilt original castings from this car
Complete working cold air hood
Rebuilt, and restored Smog system, correct date coded by Bill Hodel
No rust in floors or in trunk, very minimal rust in car
original GM markings on pan still there
Car has never been restored and still has all original paint
Car has been stored since 1985
Everything works, Horn, Wipers etc.
Very Rare and original car, car is running and driving
Easy restoration or great survivor car.
Pictures available upon request by email
Have info on all 3 previous owners, and info from Dealer.

Serious inquiries only

$75,000
Roy Chaney
713-365-9000
[email protected] EMAIL

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Here are some pictures of Roy's L78 Pace Car.

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[Hotrodpaul]

Rick, you should buy it and restore it! Looks like a nice original car. How many of these do you think were produced? What would be the value once restored?

Paul

[DarrenX33]

Wow! Deja Vu. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[1969l78]

Very nice original car, only original once thats how i would keep it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

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Paul

The problem is I thought I'd be Mr. Smart Muscle Car Guy and get ahead of the curve a few months back so I bought a number of cars as well as a ton of parts. I've got some real cool stuff but not enough jack.

I tried to trade Roy one of my 69 rollers, a set of 074 heads, a brand new broom + 11.00 for the Pacer but he just wouldn't go for it, what a loser.

Seriously, I've heard production numbers of any where from 100 to 300 L78 Pace Cars, maybe 5+ unrestored?

I've seen a couple of frame off L78's being offered in the 150-170K range

[RUQUIK]

Let's be honest, I said we had a deal till you pulled the Full set of muffler bearings out of the Deal! LOL

Roy

[Mr70]

A brand new broom AND $11.00? woulda pushed me over the fence. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[MD396]

Saw this car at the Houston Autorama this past weekend with a FOR SAlE sign on it. A Survivor that is tired. Would need a complete restoration in my opinon. The block apears to have been decked, so it's questionable.

[Postsedan]

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Wow! Deja Vu. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

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Exactly Darren....if it were only a 4 speed.

Dan.

[markjohnson]

It says the VIN is still there though. If there is a Protect-O-Plate or other L-78 docs, that price is very cheap for that car. One of the best looking cars Chevrolet ever made and throw in factory L-78 status....WOW!

[markjohnson]

Let me add this: with the way people go nuts over 70-71 High Impact color Mopar Hemi Convertible E-bodies, this L-78 Pace Car Camaro is probably the closest Chevrolet equivalent to those cars and we all know that they sell in the millions now. This Camaro is a bargain.

[Mr70]

If I had the funds right now,I'd be seriously interested in owning this Camaro for the long haul.
It was very nice talking to you Roy. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Zedder]

Is there any paperwork or proof that it is a factory L78?

[RUQUIK]

MD 396---The car was in my booth at the show and was only for sale if someone asked, it did not have a for sale sign on it, the ZL1 69 next to it did. I stated in my first post that the block had been decked and that the Vin # and dates are good and correct. The car has been stored since the mid 80's But I think "questionable" is a lot to say for someone not knowing anything about the car or it's previous owners or past. But thanks for your positive comments!

[RUQUIK]

Thanks guys for the comments. I have spoken with the original owner who bought it from Hawkeye Chevrolet which was changing owners to Maples chevrolet when he bought it. He confirmed it and is going to get back with me about anything he still has on the car and said he for sure has pics and possibly paperwork from 69 and 70. I am in the process of contacting the second owner to see if she has anything on it. The 3rd owner (who I purchased it from) is in my town and I still speak with him. He bought the car in the 80's and parked it.I have also spoken with James Maples who owned Maples Chevrolet and sold the car to the first and second owner and he is looking for any info on the car in his archives. You never know, hopefully more info on the car will come.

Thanks again
Roy

[Unreal]

Reminds me of my Cobleskill NY L78/M22 pacer story. You remember, don't you Chuck? I'm getting sick again!!

[Xplantdad]

Cool car...cool info! Good luck with the sale http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[427king]

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Reminds me of my Cobleskill NY L78/M22 pacer story. You remember, don't you Chuck? I'm getting sick again!!



[/ QUOTE ] Yes, very similar. The odd thing about real solid lifter 396 pacers without papers or engine pad stamp is that you never know if they were L89s!!Mine had Z28 front spring tags which always made me think it may have been L89, This carhas the vin on the filter,mine had the original M22,so both could have been l89s,even though they only said 2 were made. Miss my old car

[Kurt S]

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.....so both could have been l89s, even though they only said 2 were made. Miss my old car

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There's more than 2 L89 pacers out there. Only 2 that actually were at the race, that I'd believe.

[427king]

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There's more than 2 L89 pacers out there

[/ QUOTE ] I wasnt aware there were any L89 pace cars with undisputable paperwork,i have seen 2 or 3 clones on ebay in the past.

[Stefano]

There was a real nice clone at a recent auction, it even had a POP if I remember correct.

[Hylton]

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The odd thing about real solid lifter 396 pacers without papers or engine pad stamp is that you never know if they were L89s!!

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...or L34's or L35's. If it's been decked, it's been rebuilt so who's to say it always had solids? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Need that paperwork!

[budnate]

sorry to hijack this car for sale ad but did any of you guys ever get the vin from the supposed L89 pacer from a few years ago??? guy passed on and his kid had it then we caught him in some wierd deal, cant recall all the details anymore on that car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[427king]

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...or L34's or L35's. If it's been decked, it's been rebuilt so who's to say it always had solids?

[/ QUOTE ] Having a M22 with a vin[mine] or a 4 bolt with a vin[this car ] means L78 or L89 on a pace car . Of course someone can take a auto trans small block and change/alter all those things,so real factory paperwork is always a must.

[Hylton]

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Having .....a 4 bolt with a vin[this car ] means L78 or L89 on a pace car ...

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I didn't see any proof of the 4-bolt in the ad. If someone were to "upgrade" and L34 or L35 during a rebuild, I would suspect they would find themselves a set of main caps. Not sure if they would taper the oil valley hole though.

[RUQUIK]

It is an original 4 Bolt main block with the big plug on the side above the oil filter. The car has all of the original untouched Single fuel line, original BB Heater core, original correct Radiator,.I have verification coming form the original owner of the car who I spoke with yesterday for a long time about the car.

Roy

[Hylton]

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It is an original 4 Bolt main block with the big plug on the side above the oil filter. The car has all of the original untouched Single fuel line, original BB Heater core, original correct Radiator,.I have verification coming form the original owner of the car who I spoke with yesterday for a long time about the car.

Roy

[/ QUOTE ] http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif That's huge if he comes up with documentation. Good luck in sale!

[Stefano]

It would be nice for all rare Hi-Po cars to have paperwork, but this just always is not the case.

I'm not the only one who has sold Real and original drivetrain non paperwork cars, with owner history for market value.

There may also be other important clues to the Hi-Horse Status of this car, all of which, of course, could have been replaced, but much better to inspect on a surviving type car.

Original Fuel sending unit would have only 3/8 line.

If tachometer present then 6,000-7,000 Redline.

TH400 Trans with CX tag and Special Converter.

Deep Grove Pulleys.

772 Fan Blade/date. An original Fan Clutch will have an ink code.

499 Distributor/ Date

Radiator Tag will denote if Hi-Po.

The original Title app may also denote the highest HP rating. While not fool proof or 100%, it can still be a clue.

Looks like a very cool and Rare Pace Car!

Good luck with the sale. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[rich p]

There are Survivors and then there are Survivors. This Survivor needs to be restored in my mind.
Great car to reproduce ALL the markings for the resto guy !!
Me personally, I sell cars with Pedigree(#'s,paperwork,etc)when I mention that something is missing on a Rare Muscle car,its usually OVER. I guess I'm a weak car salesmen !! Got to believe in what your selling. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Cool Car !!

[SIR-VIVOR]

This car has been around for a while now. I know several major players including myself have been offered the car. I agree with Rich P. in that it definately needs a full blown $75k-$100k resto. Lot of money to put into a car with no paperwork and questionable motor. p.s. Did you know the term "Survivor" is trademarked belonging to Bloomington Gold

[427king]

Nice to see them unrestored like this one though.Paperwork or not,its a neat car. I like Clillards L89 too.

[TXSS]

I don’t normally comment on negative posts on this site but when they are factually inaccurate and misleading I feel compelled to. I have no financial interest in this car. I was there when it was pulled out of the barn in late May. The car has been around a wile but a very short wile. I was asked by Roy to shop the car around privately. However, SIR-VIVOR you were never offered the car by me or Roy. You may have been offered the car by some un-known third party. You have never spoken to Roy or me about this car. I also know for a fact that you have NEVER personally inspected this car or arranged to have the car inspected and I don’t believe you have ever even seen this car in person. Maybe a passing glance to Autorama but that would be the extent of your knowledge of this car. So, for you to state the engine is questionable as if you have first hand knowledge of that fact is…well questionable, misleading and inaccurate. I think we both know where you are getting your information and it is third hand at best.

After speaking to the original owner as well as the salesman that sold the car to the original owner I have no doubt that docs verifying this as an original L78 Pace Car exist and will be re-united with the car very soon.

Just wanted to set the record straight with facts not third or fourth handed hearsay.

[GeorgeLyons]

My L89 Pace Car is real and I invite anyone to come to Erie to do a thorough numbers/date check. UNQUESTIONABLE original front pad, easily readable VIN. Clear undisputed history from new, Lamb Chevrolet, Prescott, AZ selling dealer. I restored in 2001. Had at GM Carlisle in 2002 in building, a lot of you guys saw it then. Oh ya, 3 pedals. Good story on my find, I'll get to it soon and send in some pics. Just last week poured over by Chris P.

[LeMans Blue X77]

Rick,

Would you be interested in a partial trade?

[SIR-VIVOR]

I'll take Georges! Rick, you must not know who I am. We had someone inspect the car, and had a deal on it 'til it was offered "Available" at the Houston Autorama. Good luck with the sale!

[427king]

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Seriously, I've heard production numbers of any where from 100 to 300 L78 Pace Cars, maybe 5+ unrestored?



[/ QUOTE ] Id say thats more of a realistic # for all big block pace cars[325,350,375hp],L78 has to be much lower production than that. 300 would be around 10% of production.

[RUQUIK]

Well your right, I have no idea who you are and I own the car. The car was back up for sale because the deal never got completed when it was supposed to. Probably to many people in the deal and too many middle men cause you were in it and I have never heard your name. Thanks for the good luck, Have a good day

[Xplantdad]

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My L89 Pace Car is real and I invite anyone to come to Erie to do a thorough numbers/date check. UNQUESTIONABLE original front pad, easily readable VIN. Clear undisputed history from new, Lamb Chevrolet, Prescott, AZ selling dealer. I restored in 2001. Had at GM Carlisle in 2002 in building, a lot of you guys saw it then. Oh ya, 3 pedals. Good story on my find, I'll get to it soon and send in some pics. Just last week poured over by Chris P.

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George....send it in to me for Members Rides....PLEASE! (Don't make me call Dave Lindsley...and then have him call you...or me call you directly...LOL) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[GeorgeLyons]

Dave who ?????? Name vaguelly familiar. Old retired street racer from NW Pennsylvania. Possibly now in The Witness Protection Program. Do I have the right guy ?

[Xplantdad]

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Dave who ?????? Name vaguelly familiar. Old retired street racer from NW Pennsylvania. Possibly now in The Witness Protection Program. Do I have the right guy ?

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Yea George...I think we are talking about the same guy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[mrrec]

WAIT a minute! This thread is all over the place.

What about the broom? Was a 24" offered on trade or was it a 32"? Coarse or fine bristles? Handle material? Original handle or replacement?

Dave

[RUQUIK]

Thanks guys for all the good words, The car sold last night and will leave first part of the week. It is going to a good home and will be left in it's original condition. And the broom was replaced in the offer by the new owner with a 36" squeegee. I always wanted one of those!

Roy