R+M Lacquer

[Nova Jed]

A family member has a whole lot of the R+M Lacquer tints, scale and formula books. Would it be worth it to restore a car in all lacquer? He has most of the various tints to do a lot of popular colors. I have heard that you can topcoat the lacquer with a good quality urathane clear, but is the undercoat going to last? It's kind of an old meets new and since body shops can't spray lacquer, would it be worth getting involved with by a do-it-yourselfer. What I mean by all of this is durability if you are going to drive the car? I know Lacquer isn't the best on color match, unless you do a whole job and even when you are done doing enough coats of it, it may be a shade off. Has anyone considered doing an all lacquer job? I know it's a crazy question! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[BARRY]

hi i am a painter i have worked with laquer it is perfect match for a original painted gm cars RM LACQUER and yes it will work great with clear //original base clear on chrysler cars where done that way/// WHEN BASE CLEAR// first came out

[Nova Jed]

How long would it last? If applied correctly? Process?

[farone]

There should be no problem with the color coat lasting.... The problem is adheasion between the lacquer and urethane clear. There is a good chance that the clear could peel. That used to be an accepted procedure, but the newer products are much more durable....

[Schonyenko2]

Frank is correct. Without correct prep work, and allowing the laquer to breath out the solvents, you may have an adhesion issue, or undercoat swelling. If you're going to shoot laquer, shoot it on correctly, block it, and buff up the shine. I doubt you're going to be in VOC compliance, and unless you have some experience with it, I'd stay with a bc/cc system. Most people who have little experience with laquer wind up with a dry, rough paint job. But, good luck.

[BARRY]

HI i painted a winter beater and drove the car for three years painted lacqer with urathane clear if you want to use lacqer on a show car paint it then clear it with ///HOUSE of colouers clear/// IT IS A LACQER CLEAR

[Nova Jed]

Well, I think what I am getting at here is that I have a chance to get all of these tints for what it would cost me just for the material for one paint job. I can get a lot more colors by buying the tints from him and the scale and tint book. Debating on wether or not it's gonna be worth my $ and the storage of a hundred +/- gallons of tints. I know lacquer is a lot of work! Twice to three times as labor intensive. Not my worry because I'm a do it yourselfer. He told me that the clear that he has has some sort of UV protectant in it. No clue on that though. I have seen a car or two out in the show field that had a lacquer job done on it and you couldn't tell the difference between that and a urathane job. Take a look at my two cars in the member gallery. I did both of those paint jobs at home!

[GeorgeLyons]

Does your uncle have any new unopened R-M factory pack pints or quarts of lacquer (factory already mixed colors) ? I am interested in some for a display I have.

[Nova Jed]

George, I think the only factory pack he had was for a 66 Vette and that he got from Stoudts Corvettes. But that was like 20+ yrs ago. He sold that with the car. But I think that's all he ever had and he used to own his own body shop. You want the stuff that was packed from the GM paint vats correct?

[L78M22Rag]

Is there somewhere a guy can get enough Garnet Red laquer to touch-up a quarter panel? I'm helping my nephew fix-up an original survivor (occasional driver) Camaro? Please PM or email me at [email protected]

Thanks!

[Nova Jed]

IMO I would leave it alone. Something like that will stand out like a sore thumb. Especially red. I hope it's not a whole quarter panel?

[69L78]

I had some lacquer mixed recently thru my local auto parts Dupont Dealer it was PPG Duracryl acrylic lacquer.

[ORIGLS6]

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He told me that the clear that he has has some sort of UV protectant in it.

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Understand, I'm going back twenty-five plus years now, but I used Metalflake Brand clear coat on some work I did back then. It was truly 'clear' in the can and gave a fantastic finish. HOWEVER, it did not hold up well to exposure. I think most of the slightly amber tinted clear coats DO contain some amount UV protection additive. Maybe that's what gives it the tint. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

BTW, I'd LOVE to find some vintage R&M Black acrylic lacquer! (Or some DuPont 99L.)http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[L78M22Rag]

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IMO I would leave it alone. Something like that will stand out like a sore thumb. Especially red. I hope it's not a whole quarter panel?

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No, its just a good sized dent on the body line just above the rear wheel. There are about a hundred paint chips clustered in one spot on the passenger door that I wanted to touch-up. Only wanted to do a couple of spot touch-ups... thought it could be blended in if I got some laquer.

[Schonyenko2]

I agree that the Metalflake brand was the best clear on the market at the time. The Dupont always seemed a little cloudy and yellow. The issue with laquer is that it has no elasticity. Metal expands, and contracts with temperature. Laquer does not move with it. That's why you get all the cracks. Bike tanks usually didn't last long at all. 55 degree gas in a tank that's been in the sun on a hot July day is pretty hard on the paint.
Mr. Cumby, remind me to check on that 99L if I forget. We might be able to find you some. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Nova Jed]

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IMO I would leave it alone. Something like that will stand out like a sore thumb. Especially red. I hope it's not a whole quarter panel?

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No, its just a good sized dent on the body line just above the rear wheel. There are about a hundred paint chips clustered in one spot on the passenger door that I wanted to touch-up. Only wanted to do a couple of spot touch-ups... thought it could be blended in if I got some laquer.

[/ QUOTE ] One of my 70 Nova's "was" a survivor and I regret worrying about the paint, but had I had a garage like my dad has now, I would have left it alone. IMO put a good glaze on it and leave the dent alone. It's only original once. Kinda like telling the kid not to touch the hot stove theory! LOL

[GeorgeLyons]

My experience in touch up of orig paint GM cars 60s & 70s is PPG lacquer, still available, is the best route but must often be tinted around to get flawless results and you need a trained, experienced, patient paint tech to do the tint and the work. Lacquer blends great IF you know how to do it. I agree to leave most orig paint cars alone but sometimes work is needed.

[Nova Jed]

You are right George. The guys I deal with in Reading are great. They know I am a little picky but not an a-hole about it and I have been going in there since I was 16. So I have gotten a report with them in the last 12yrs. They will mix up what you want and tint it to get a real good match. It takes a while, but if you are patient, it's worth the back and forth driving.

[L78M22Rag]

Here you can see my nephew hard at work on his Camaro. You can see the rash of door dents and the dent in the quarter panel... would you leave this as is, or try to fix it?
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg155/helmuteckert/Oct07010.jpg

[Dog427435]

Wow - parking spaces must be at a premium up there!

I'd fix it - car looks too good to have that big dent!

What color is that interior?

[olredalert]

-----Helmut,,, It could be the picture for sure but that red looks to be too bright a red to be Garnet. As well, the area around the chips doesnt quite look like what would be under original lacquer. I guess that actually could be wax or something. Not trying to negative as the car looks like a nice candidate for a bit of sprucing up. The interior from what I can see looks pretty nice........Bill S

[Nova Jed]

As hard as it would be for me to touch that, I think I would def. fix that. That is a nice red on red Camaro. Don't see that too often.

[L78M22Rag]

Its definitely the original garnet red paint... that photo doesn't do the color justice. Here it is next to my L78 convertible. Could say its a chip off the big block - LOL. The interior is red standard with console/auto, 350 4bbl (L65?) with AC. The primer is showing through slighly in a couple of spots and it has a few dings, but it's very presentable so I'd like to preserve it.
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg155/helmuteckert/Picture007.jpg

[olredalert]

-----It was the picture!!!........Bill S

[Xplantdad]

Wow! I think it looks good the way it is. It gives it character...plus you don't have to worry about any future door dings...

[Nova Jed]

Well, my relative is ready to unload all of the tints, scale and books! I just became the owner of 73+ gallons of R+M,not R-M, Lacquer tints, books, scale and mixing station.

Oh, brother! What did I do? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif