1969 z28 rs crossram

[coololdcars]

hi to all-- i just found a diamond car-a 1969 rs z28 crossram-with 2859 miles 1 owner --now 2--the car has been outside for 25 years and some of the parts are gone-but it has its born with block trans rear and more -i just came back from a 3 hr sit down with the org. owner and taped our conversation-when he bought the car the crossram was in the trunk but he did not have enough money to pay for the option.so the dealer took off the amount for the crossram and sold him the car with no crossram-my question is does anyone have a old picture of how they were in the trunk-- i am restoring the car to 100%-- and i want to put the crossram in the trunk like factory--and how many were made 69 rs silver black stripe red interior crossram z.the owner found his registration cards a bunch of pictures when it was new and a speeding ticket from 1970 and more--thanks for any help-

[William]

Absolute fairy tale.

Chevrolet never offered the cross-ram as an option. If it was in the trunk the dealer put it there.

[Hylton]

2859 miles eh? How about posting a few pics?

[Nova Jed]

Did Chevrolet only offer them as an over the counter mod? Did any of the CAN AM cars come with them on already? Like Penske Donahue or the one Smoky worked on? I know that Ricks has the original one off of the Penske Camaro and they have it on display! I know that Smoky took that one off and put his "modified" version on that car.

[coololdcars]

yea 2859 miles -a- title- 1 owner- i did not know it was a crossram car until i sat with him-- he paid cash-he lives in downtown phildelphia-he showed me where the car sat when it was new-then the photos came out- 3 weeks old it got aluminum slots and went street racing on front street in phila.-- 5 years ago at maple grove speedway swap meet i found a dz 302 still together but rusted and it had the oe. oil filter i started talking to him and we became friends. he told me he still knows where the car is and give him a call-- well 5 years later i get the car-- the trans was inside the car -the rear is still new and was still in the car -jon the org owner gave bill the swap meet guy the title and bill trallered the car up to me -so yesterday i finally got to meet the owner-i said can i tape this no problem he said -so i started out i am here with jon t who bought this 69 camaro silver black stripe red interior flat hood--and he said yes yes--no that had a cowl hood with them 302 emblems-i said are you sure- and then the pictures came out -- well the hood it gone-(they are looking for it this weekend bill and jon may still know where it is )and all i know is there is no hole for the cowl induction wireing so i thought it was a flat hood --than jon said the crossram i could not afford the crossram and they kept it--i just about fell over--there is hours of the story and it is so cool--i just wonder how was a crossram ordered-how it came--see this car never had it installed--jon said it was in the trunk---- and jon is not a real car guy,in phily.there was fast cars street racing but there was no garages and they cared about there cars but not like today-now the car is 90% done every nut and bolt with all the factory overspray-like new- any help on this crossram would be great thanks

[drdave69]

As already stated, the crossram was a dealer item. It was never installed at the assembly line on a factory delivered car. If it was in the trunk the dealer put it there.

[coololdcars]

i do know the dealer installed them- but how did they get with the car--and crossram cars have a special hood- with cowl=and no wireing-so the car had to ordered that way from gm-- thanks

[GTO_DON]

The hood was an over the counter deal also.
I think these guys are playing with ya.
BTW Why are you even taping the guy. Its not like you found the holy grail Z28. Its just another old street racer that needed to be restored in my opinion. The 2000 miles does not mean anything anymore. Ive been in philly all my life and hung down front st every friday and saturday and never heard anything about this car. Good luck with your sale.
Not for nothing but whats the diff how the crossram was in the trunk? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[novarichie]

gto, what do you mean 2000 miles don`t mean anything,the hell it don`t

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Lots of 'cable-yanker' cars out there! I'd rather have an all original car with 100k miles on it vs. a 1k mile car that was hacked up to go racing. So, I think that's what Don meant - the mileage is not always very relevant unless the body/driveline is comparable.

[Stuart Adams]

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gto, what do you mean 2000 miles don`t mean anything,the hell it don`t

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2000 miles means boo if the car needs total restoration and doesn't have original drivetrain, especially for a Z28.

[Charley Lillard]

Can we lighten up a bit ? A guy came on here with what he thought was a factory crossram car. Maybe it was a dealer crossram in the trunk or something special. If we are skeptical lets at least try to be polite about it. Telling him a 2000 mile car means nothing is a bit of a stretch.

[coololdcars]

thanks charley- but i am excited about this car-it is a -a-title 1 owner-who can be contacted-2850 miles- and beleve me it is not cut up--traction bars and slots-is the only thing-there is no roll bar or nothing it was only street raced----i was told by alot of people this syc website has alot of very smart people and that is why i am here --if everybody here was there with me yesterday it would blow your mind--i had no idea about a crossram until yesterday--and beleve me he did not know alot---exact words were -thoes duel 4 bbls you know the ones mounted crossways(as he showed me with his hands) also i brought 2 other people with me-- and his mom was there -talking about the car-she was on oxygen in a hospital bed in the kitchen-and remember this is down town phildelphia bars on the windows row homes-beleve me this is not made up it is all true--i was just looking to the experts here to tell me the whole crossram story--i know jon was truthfull and his mom-i dont know why it was in the trunk- but thanks for all your help

[Salvatore]

Hey Bill, Sometimes if you looked real hard you could find the X-ram underneath the spare tire. But it would have to be a full size spare. Also depends on how they threw the headers in that small trunk area. Sometimes the headers ended up in the back seat. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif In the trunk, behind the door, around the corner etc. is only a figure of speech.

[Charley Lillard]

Get us some pics and I would recommend showing us the car before you start to do a resto on it. Sometimes they are like time capsules and once you mess with it it is gone. Congrats on your purchase.

[Hylton]

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Get us some pics and I would recommend showing us the car before you start to do a resto on it. Sometimes they are like time capsules and once you mess with it it is gone. Congrats on your purchase.

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+100!

[coololdcars]

hay sam how are you -- i called you yesterday give me a call --yea i looked under the spare-than i thought maybe it was under the front seat -than i ripped the headliner out and wow it was there - the whole set up-- terry still rembers installing one in 1970--- see ya

[Fast67VelleN2O]

I would like to know where you found an original 2k mile 69 Z28 "sitting" in Philadephia. There are more car flippers in PA and guys looking for the stuff in my area than anywhere else in the country probably. I would have heard or someone I know would have heard about that car just sitting in Philly. Pics please?

[666 the legend]

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I would like to know where you found an original 2k mile 69 Z28 "sitting" in Philadephia. There are more car flippers in PA and guys looking for the stuff in my area than anywhere else in the country probably. I would have heard or someone I know would have heard about that car just sitting in Philly. Pics please?

[/ QUOTE ]..I AGREE......Cause Im ONE of those GUYS...Drivin through alleys and know alot of people in Philly....But...You cant get em all...But PM his name and Where abouts he LIVES..Im just curious to see if I was in the AREA and MISSED IT..!!

[novarichie]

hey bill ,since you already have the car, go ahead tell them were you found the car (exactly were you found the car)south philly?,just curious thanks

[Dog427435]

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I would like to know where you found an original 2k mile 69 Z28 "sitting" in Philadephia. There are more car flippers in PA and guys looking for the stuff in my area than anywhere else in the country probably. I would have heard or someone I know would have heard about that car just sitting in Philly. Pics please?

[/ QUOTE ]..I AGREE......Cause Im ONE of those GUYS...Drivin through alleys and know alot of people in Philly....But...You cant get em all...But PM his name and Where abouts he LIVES..Im just curious to see if I was in the AREA and MISSED IT..!!

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Come on guys, you can't know where everything is!- You've never found my crap! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I scrounge around more then most and am always amazed at what I still find. I spend at least one day a
week traveling neighborhoods and back roads peering down driveways and into yards.
You never know when that garage door will be open, or some other junker will be pulled away to expose some
gem. I found this '68 Z sitting in the back of a trailer park, not too far outside of Philly just a couple
months ago-Hadn't moved in years!
4 spd car, 12 bolt, multi leafs, disc's, gauge console etc.

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[Salvatore]

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hay sam how are you -- i called you yesterday give me a call --yea i looked under the spare-than i thought maybe it was under the front seat -than i ripped the headliner out and wow it was there - the whole set up-- terry still rembers installing one in 1970--- see ya

[/ QUOTE ]Hey Billy, There is a lot of people that can help you here on this site. Give them the info and good things will happen. How's Nate doin?

[Xplantdad]

C'mon Billy...show us some pics!

Dog...that's a cool Z28 you have pictured there!

[GeorgeLyons]

Attention: coololdcars Post some pictures of this silver/red Z and you will have instant credibility and discover a treasure trove of help and knowledge. First though you need to post pictures. All doubt will be eliminated. Did I mention you should post some pictures ?

[666 the legend]

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I would like to know where you found an original 2k mile 69 Z28 "sitting" in Philadephia. There are more car flippers in PA and guys looking for the stuff in my area than anywhere else in the country probably. I would have heard or someone I know would have heard about that car just sitting in Philly. Pics please?

[/ QUOTE ]..I AGREE......Cause Im ONE of those GUYS...Drivin through alleys and know alot of people in Philly....But...You cant get em all...But PM his name and Where abouts he LIVES..Im just curious to see if I was in the AREA and MISSED IT..!!

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Come on guys, you can't know where everything is!- You've never found my crap! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I scrounge around more then most and am always amazed at what I still find. I spend at least one day a
week traveling neighborhoods and back roads peering down driveways and into yards.
You never know when that garage door will be open, or some other junker will be pulled away to expose some
gem. I found this '68 Z sitting in the back of a trailer park, not too far outside of Philly just a couple
months ago-Hadn't moved in years!
4 spd car, 12 bolt, multi leafs, disc's, gauge console etc.

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[/ QUOTE ]..You mean you found a .." FAKE Z/28"...!!

[Dog427435]

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..You mean you found a .." FAKE Z/28"...!!

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Fake?? It has the emblems!!

[Mr70]

Sounds like a nice find,love to see some as found pix.

P.S.-This topic has more Pa. on lookers then a wet T-shirt contest during a Steelers/Eagles game. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

[BARNFOUND YENKO]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Nova Jed]

Where do you think most of the cars at these big auctions come from? LOL Not much else to do in Pa but work on and drive cars.

[korvette kenny]

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Where do you think most of the cars at these big auctions come from? LOL Not much else to do in Pa but work on and drive cars.

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif Right on. Just another PA guy checking in

[Nova Jed]

I have heard that second hand from someone who goes to a lot of the Western auctions that most of the cars come from PA. I guess it's the German heritage of being craftsman NAW! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[William]

GTODON you're just who I need. The ZL-1 I am involved with was in Philly 1969-1974, owned by Joe Gastony. It was silver with a black B-M type stripe, sold off the used car lot at Hauser Chev. I have spoken to Joe and would like to know where it went after him. Know anything?

[Hylton]

If coololdcars does not post pics, I'm calling http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[njsteve]

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hi to all-- i just found a diamond car-a 1969 rs z28 crossram-with 2859 miles 1 owner --now 2--the car has been outside for 25 years and some of the parts are gone-but it has its born with block trans rear and more -i just came back from a 3 hr sit down with the org. owner and taped our conversation-when he bought the car the crossram was in the trunk but he did not have enough money to pay for the option.so the dealer took off the amount for the crossram and sold him the car with no crossram-my question is does anyone have a old picture of how they were in the trunk-- i am restoring the car to 100%-- and i want to put the crossram in the trunk like factory--and how many were made 69 rs silver black stripe red interior crossram z.the owner found his registration cards a bunch of pictures when it was new and a speeding ticket from 1970 and more--thanks for any help-

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By the way, did the guy know you were taping him and give his consent? Otherwise, you just committed a felony. PA is a 2-party consensual monitoring state. Unless you are a law enforcement officer, and conducting an investigation, you cannot record another person's conversation (in PA) without their permission. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

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yea 2859 miles -a- title- 1 owner- i did not know it was a crossram car until i sat with him-- he paid cash-he lives in downtown phildelphia-he showed me where the car sat when it was new-then the photos came out- 3 weeks old it got aluminum slots and went street racing on front street in phila.-- 5 years ago at maple grove speedway swap meet i found a dz 302 still together but rusted and it had the oe. oil filter i started talking to him and we became friends. he told me he still knows where the car is and give him a call-- well 5 years later i get the car-- the trans was inside the car -the rear is still new and was still in the car -jon the org owner gave bill the swap meet guy the title and bill trallered the car up to me -so yesterday i finally got to meet the owner-i said can i tape this no problem he said -so i started out i am here with jon t who bought this 69 camaro silver black stripe red interior flat hood--and he said yes yes--no that had a cowl hood with them 302 emblems-i said are you sure- and then the pictures came out -- well the hood it gone-(they are looking for it this weekend bill and jon may still know where it is )and all i know is there is no hole for the cowl induction wireing so i thought it was a flat hood --than jon said the crossram i could not afford the crossram and they kept it--i just about fell over--there is hours of the story and it is so cool--i just wonder how was a crossram ordered-how it came--see this car never had it installed--jon said it was in the trunk---- and jon is not a real car guy,in phily.there was fast cars street racing but there was no garages and they cared about there cars but not like today-now the car is 90% done every nut and bolt with all the factory overspray-like new- any help on this crossram would be great thanks

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according to this post he did...it's about half-way through the paragraph...

[iluv69s]

ay ay ay...you guys are brutal....give the guy a chance...I was born in Philly myself and have scrounged around that area myself for years...there are still a few cars out there..believe me...but, 99.9% are in a garage or you cannot see from the road...I am a Land Surveyor, so often I get to go into peoples back yards where you cant see the cars from the road...I also peek into garage windows too when I am working...believe me, if you can see it from the road, atleast 1000 people have knocked already...but there are a few still hidden away...

As far as 2000 original miles not meaning a thing ... whether this car exists or not is irrevelant...I would sure rather have a 2000 mile ex-racer than a 200k mile ex-racer...It sure means something to me...

And the x-ram story...who knows...but when I spoke to the original owners brother of my JL-8 car, he explained that when he and his brother went to buy the car, they had 2 Z-28s on the lot...one with a x-ram in the trunk..and the JL-8 car that his brother ended up buying...They decided to buy the JL-8 car because they went right out and bought an aftermarket x-ram and installed it on the car much cheaper than the dealer mark-up for the x-ram option...I really believe his story because when I bought the car from the 4th or 5th owner(cant remember) he offered me an old aftermarket x-ram intake and carbs for an extra fee that he said he got with the car when he bought it ...The sellers story all came together a few months later when I got in touch with the original owners brother..

Remember that if this story is true, the original owner is going from memory only...the original owner of my low mile 67 Z ex-racer told me a ton of stories..some are probably not totally exact, but the main idea of our conversation is probably close to reality...(and yes, I already did post pics...my car does exist..hehehe)..and I too videotaped our conversation (with his permission of course)

at this point if I were the current owner of this car (assuming this story is true), I would not even return to this website based on the treatment he has recieved...I am a skeptic myself..but this story sounds a lot more reasonable than the floating hemis or the ZL-1 motor in the dually...as I said about that story...time will tell the truth..lets wait a while longer and see...

just my .02

[novarichie]

that was joey talking about the floating hemi and the ZL1 in the dually, if i were coololdcars i would be taking some pics of that car ,and be putting on this site...just my opinion...if not i smell b.s. richie..

[MosportGreen66]

Didn't Jay Leno find a Duisenberg (sp?) in a NYC parking garage?
Lets give this guy a chance to show photos of the cars...

[blackbeast]

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that was joey talking about the floating hemi and the ZL1 in the dually, if i were coololdcars i would be taking some pics of that car ,and be putting on this site...just my opinion...if not i smell b.s. richie..

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No offense, but your opinion sucks.

Why is everyone being so harsh?

What stinks is not the story, but the posts from some of you.

[novarichie]

hey coololdcars is the one who posted (diamond in the ruff)find ,guys want to see some pic`s thats all

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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that was joey talking about the floating hemi and the ZL1 in the dually, if i were coololdcars i would be taking some pics of that car ,and be putting on this site...just my opinion...if not i smell b.s. richie..

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No offense, but your opinion sucks.

Why is everyone being so harsh?

What stinks is not the story, but the posts from some of you.

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That reply is offensive, is unwarranted.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

If this car was full of pine needles and green then I know what car it is, and the Philly burbs don't count as Philadelphia.....

[GTO_DON]

Guys I dont understand some of you. These statements about miles is getting out of hand. My opinion and ONLY my opinion is when a car is so badly rusted and everything has to be replaced and everything has to be rebuilt then 2000 miles on the odometer does not mean anything. ISNT THAT TRUE?? Why cant some of you grasp this? This is the case with this car. Its my understanding after talking privatly to some people who know the car and know BIll they say it was in sad sad shape. The car is almost done now and I dont think any of you are going to see any pics of it before is was resurected. I could be wrong but we will see.. That was my only point. I dont have anything against Bill but I think he is hyping it up with Atlantic city coming up with no documentation.
Forget taping the guy. Get him to sign an afidavit to all of this story and have it notorized so if it turns out to be a story then the new buyer will have some recourse against him instead of the seller. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[novarichie]

don,i didn`t know the car was that bad a shape, your right its all up to bill now,and if the car was that bad 2000 miles don`t mean that much. thanks ..richie

[olredalert]

-----I have also read this entire thread. This is also personal opinion but I think we all should think a bit more before we stab the keys. Being disrespectful is never right weather its a newbie or Charlie (well maybe,,,,Aah, nah). I stick my foot in my mouth as much or more than anyone but you wont ever catch me making the BS type statements. There are other (better) ways to say the same thing......Bill S

[budnate]

I scratched my head as a out of the blue post from a guy with 5 posts and a neat car story...then it hits me the car is probably being trolled around.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[coololdcars]

you guys are tough - i talked to a couple of people-here on syc on the phone-- and they know--the car will not be ready for another 5-6 months- and my thanks are out to all-because i talked to people who worked in chevy dealers in 1968 to 1972-- thanks-- now i know the story from the hands on people ---- when the car is done anybody and everybody is welcome here--and the car was rusted but not gone-there is over 200 pictures now from day 1 until now- thanks again to syc for getting me in contact with the hands on people thanks

[coololdcars]

1 more thing is there anyone here in syc that worked in limrick neuclear plant from 1964 to 1975 in reading pa thanks

[iluv69s]

It seems that this car is for real after all...it also seems as if this fellow is not trying to market his vehicle at the moment...he readily admits it was in bad shape when he got it and it is being restored...and that it will be 5 or 6 months until it is done...if my math is correct i dont believe it will be ready for Atlantic City in February..

as far as the 2000 original miles...probably 99.9% of the 69 camaros have been restored..atleast once...give me an original drivetrain 2000 original mile restored Z-28 anyday over a 100k mile restored Z....or even a 3000 mile restored Z...We all can agree that an original survivor car is probably more valuable if it is in excellent condition...but the fact that it has only 2000 miles puts this car in a category of less than 1% of all camaros I suspect...that alone makes the car extremely attractive to me...

I just dont know why now that it seems apparent that the car does exist, that anyone has to continue to rain on this guys parade...I would surely be thrilled as I suspect most of you would also...and why does anyone have to insinuate that he has bad intentions and is only trying to market the vehicle ...I dont get it...

it also appears that the owner has taken many pics of the car also...before and during resto...again I dont get the skeptism and negatism(is that a word) at this point

and as far as the notarized statement...I got that from the original owner of my 67 Z also...but if I were buying the car, i would be more interested in the video of the owner recounting all the stories about the car...I suspect any judge in court would accept a video of 3 hours from the original owner as evidence of equal or greater value than notarized statement...but Im no lawyer

And with all due respect to all of you...I do respect each and everyones opinion, as long as it is put forth in a respectful manner...God Bless America!!!

And as far as the owner of the car...Congrats and Good Luck with a great find!!!! I know Im jealous...(in a good way!!)

[Charley Lillard]

well said...

[HiHorse]

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there is over 200 pictures now from day 1 until now

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Maybe if its not to much trouble you can post one of them.

[Unreal]

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that was joey talking about the floating hemi and the ZL1 in the dually. richie..

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It that Joey from North Georgia?

[novarichie]

yes it is

[Hylton]

I just think posting pictures is a good idea for anyone who decides to post their story about a recent find. It tends to seperate 'reality from fantasy'. God knows we've had a few stories on here in the past.

[iluv69s]

I live outside of Philly and I was thinking about this thread today and it seeme like possibly one or a few members here may have knew about this car but may have not been interested because it was rusty or in real bad shape..or full of pine needles...Im not sure if it is the same car or not, but I would gladly pay a finders fee to anyone that knows of any other early Camaros (or any muscle car for that matter)that are too far gone for your liking...assuming the info. leads to the purchase of the car...ESPECIALLY if it is a 2k mile original drivetrain 69 Z ex-racer...even if it is nowhere near Philly...I travel alot.....one mans junk is another mans treasure!!

20 years ago I was buying 6 cyl plain Jane camaros for less than 500 bucks and replacing floors, wheelhouses, quarters(all repro) and paint and reselling for 3k to 5k...(I was doing and still do all the work myself)

My JL-8 car has very minor rust in the quarter wheel lips ...I know that it will need the same wheel houses and quarters as if it had major rust in the quarter panels..I would like more to buy a car that I can see the rust and I know needs work than a car that has been quasi-restored and that once I start sanding, I find out it needs everything anyway

feel free to contact me!!

[Fast67VelleN2O]

I buy anything thats for sale... in any shape, trust me. If its too expensive for my taste then i pass it on lol.

[52-52X66L89]

Guy's this story is a real fishy one! The guy with the car and the story is the same guy that had the so called Yenko at Carlisle car corral for sale i'm sure you all remember looking at that one!!! The Z is not real and i am 101% sure it did not come from Philly but i am sure his paperwork will say it did.Oh or did the owner find the original paperwork yet???This is just a setup for when the car appears so people will think it is a real car with history.Nice try but we are not that stupid.Crossram in the trunk HAAAA!!! The guy's MOM was there in the kitchen in a hospital bed on Oxygen lol !!!COME ON!!! I'm here with the guy that bought the silver Z with the flat hood new No wait OH it had a cowl hood??? When was the car built or what will the Cowl tag say when you make it???? Simple pics were not posted because it would show the Base Camaro coupe used to start the project LOL I think you can all figure this one out???

[iluv69s]

Its my understanding after talking privately to some people who know the car and know BIll they say it was in sad sad shape.

is it me or am I crazy...according to GTODON, I am assuming that we have established that this car does in-fact exist...and I assume if there are people here that knew this car they would surely be first to come forth and let us all know that it is not really a Z....can anyone confirm for all of us that they knew the car prior to the new owner purchasing it.....or am I really crazy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif ive been told so a few times!!!

[iluv69s]

that first line in my last thread was a quote from GTODON, although it did not come out that way...just wanted to clarify...sorry

[ANDY M]

<font color="red">52-52X66L89 </font> , please fill in your profile. If you only want to use your initials, with no location, then you will get little respect for making statements like your first post.
If you think that the car's story was maligned, people who jump in without anybody knowing who they are don't get too warm of a reception when they attack with no proof to back up their attack. We welcome differing opinions, but we want to know where of you speak.
New members are better received when they introduce themselves first, so we know who you are, and why we should believe what you say.
Thank you.

[52-52X66L89]

Trust me the guy's reputation is plenty enough to speak for itself on building fake cars out of nowhere. I think everyone knows the guy pulls cars out of the blue and makes them up.It is widely known. Just check out the Red White LS6 Chevelle on Ebay another of his beauties! This one has been on there a few times and we all have discussed it at times.Do your research and trust yourself and P.S. no one said they know the car to be a real Z??? someone said they may know it if it was covered with pine needles and thats just a guess. NO REAL CAR!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Tenney]

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Guy's this story is a real fishy one! The guy's MOM was there in the kitchen in a hospital bed on Oxygen lol !!!COME ON!!!

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What? Who's gonna cook?

[coololdcars]

I LOGGED ON TODAY, JUST TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING NEW, AND WELL THE WIFE GOT INTERESTED AND NOW IT'S GONNA END.
HEY GUYS, THIS IS THE WIFE. THANK YOU TOO ALL THAT HAD POSITIVE ANSWERS, BUT I AM DISSAPPOINTED IN HOW ANGRY ONE PERSON CAN BE ON CHRISTMAS DAY, THE BIRTH OF OUR SAVOUR.
IT'S SPITEFUL, HATEFUL, AND SOUNDS QUITE JEALOUS ACTUALLY, SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE WORSE THAN A BUNCH OF WOMEN IN A SEWING CIRCLE. AND I AM A WOMAN. THAT'S SAD. I AM NOT A RELIGIOUS PERSON BY ALL MEANS, BUT I FOUND IT INTERESTING TO FIND SOMETHING TODAY. PROVERBS CHP. 29, PAR. 22. AN ANGRY MAN STIRRETH UP STRIFE, AND A FURIOUS MAN ABOUNDETH IN TRANSGRESSION. PAR. 23. A MAN'S PRIDE SHALL BRING HIM LOW: BUT HONOUR SHALL UPHOLD THE HUMBLE IN SPIRIT. PAR.25 THE FEAR OF MAN BRINGETH A SNARE: BUT WHOSO PUTTETH HIS TRUST IN THE LORD SHALL BE SAFE. PAR. 26. MANY SEEK THE RULER'S FAVOUR: BUT EVERY MAN'S JUDGMENT COMETH FROM THE LORD. THANK YOU FOR READING, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE THAT HAS HELPED WITH INFO. THE WIFE'S WORD FOR TODAY. DON'T WORRY , I WON'T BE BACK.

[427TJ]

Well, isn't that special.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Y-Net%20Photos/ChurchLady.jpg

[Stuart Adams]

There has to something better than this to talk about. Train wreck from the get go.

[ANDY M]

Well said, doctor. I have no shame in introducing myself by name, and yet we let threads like this spin out of control because it's an open forum and anybody who can type in a set of initials is allowed to throw down.
There must be a reason for wishing to remain annonymus in a public forum. A man (or Wife) who won't introduce themselves by name makes me wonder why that is. I have to take what they say, and the folks who throw down against them, with a block of salt. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
427king, who paid to join, (and has a rightious fear of someone finding his parts stash), can remain unkown. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif At least he has a sense of humor. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[njsteve]

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...a block of salt

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More like a pillar of salt, to quote the good book. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[m22mike]

Hay Wife, thanks for the scripture,now can you please turn off your....CAPLOCK !

[CTinCT]

I don't believe there is a car OR a wife. Maybe he'll post some pic's of the wife.......

[666 the legend]

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I LOGGED ON TODAY, JUST TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING NEW, AND WELL THE WIFE GOT INTERESTED AND NOW IT'S GONNA END.
HEY GUYS, THIS IS THE WIFE. THANK YOU TOO ALL THAT HAD POSITIVE ANSWERS, BUT I AM DISSAPPOINTED IN HOW ANGRY ONE PERSON CAN BE ON CHRISTMAS DAY, THE BIRTH OF OUR SAVOUR.
IT'S SPITEFUL, HATEFUL, AND SOUNDS QUITE JEALOUS ACTUALLY, SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE WORSE THAN A BUNCH OF WOMEN IN A SEWING CIRCLE. AND I AM A WOMAN. THAT'S SAD. I AM NOT A RELIGIOUS PERSON BY ALL MEANS, BUT I FOUND IT INTERESTING TO FIND SOMETHING TODAY. PROVERBS CHP. 29, PAR. 22. AN ANGRY MAN STIRRETH UP STRIFE, AND A FURIOUS MAN ABOUNDETH IN TRANSGRESSION. PAR. 23. A MAN'S PRIDE SHALL BRING HIM LOW: BUT HONOUR SHALL UPHOLD THE HUMBLE IN SPIRIT. PAR.25 THE FEAR OF MAN BRINGETH A SNARE: BUT WHOSO PUTTETH HIS TRUST IN THE LORD SHALL BE SAFE. PAR. 26. MANY SEEK THE RULER'S FAVOUR: BUT EVERY MAN'S JUDGMENT COMETH FROM THE LORD. THANK YOU FOR READING, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE THAT HAS HELPED WITH INFO. THE WIFE'S WORD FOR TODAY. DON'T WORRY , I WON'T BE BACK.

[/ QUOTE ]......What the..HELL is this CRAP..??? Better get back on that " CASINO BUS " with the rest of the ..HOLY ROLLERS"..!!

[LT12NV]

This thread has taken several strange twists and turns..

[m22mike]

Better get back on that " CASINO BUS " with the rest of the ..HOLY ROLLERS"..!!

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[novarichie]

i just don`t know about this deal,bill post the pics!!!! richie.........

[iluv69s]

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Its my understanding after talking privatly to some people who know the car and know BIll they say it was in sad sad shape.

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Hey GTO DON...can you reiterate the conversations you had with other people who know this car?..Does it really exist?? Is it really a Z?

[GTO_DON]

I have spoken to a few members from this board and a few other people who know Bill and most of them tell me the car exist.Others say it does not. I dont know if it does or not and I dont know Bill personally. Only things I hear. Im not going to go into that here. Theres alot of pvt messaging going on but no one wants to come out and say what they are saying in private. They know who they are and its up to them to come forth. With all that said I just feel that the story of the car is a little greater than the car probably is. Im sorry if Offended Bill but Im always in trouble for speaking the truth. Its just my opinion. I just feel he came here to pump the car up for the Atlantic city car auction. I may be wrong but I do know the car will be for sale. Everyone here knows that if that story was true that takes the car from 75k to 150k so thats why everybody is suspect I guess. Anyway I too would love to see the before and after pics to see what I missed coming out of my back yard. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif Good thing it was not a Judge http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Salvatore]

Well I think we all should give Bill a chance to show some pictures and produce the car. I am sure the car exists and will be ready for the show circuit or car coral when it is done. But as most guys on this site stated....pictures would be great! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif