1970 L78 Nova 5 blade fan sold on e-bay WOW!!

[Mr. Chevy]

1969 69 1970 70 SS396 NOVA L78 ENGINE FAN RARE!!! Item number: 170182172921

I was watching this fan on e-bay and it sold with a buy it now price of $719.22.. Kinda high priced do you guys think??? It was pretty rusty also and needed a good blasting and re-painting..

I'm still looking for an original one but this one was just a little out of my price range... The attachment picture is not the fan that was sold on e-bay but is an original fan..

Rich

[John Brown]

Maybe he'll throw in a can of paint. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...em=170182172921 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fs earch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3 DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D170182172921%26fv i%3D1&item=170182172921)

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[427king]

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I'm still looking for an original one but this one was just a little out of my price range

[/ QUOTE ] Thats the cheapest ive seen one of those go for in the past 4 auctions.

[Mr. Chevy]

OH BOY!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I did not think they went for this much, although I have not been actively looking lately either..

Rich

[427king]

This aint too bad either..1800.00 for three ralley wheels?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=230206622646

[CamarosRus]

Anybody educate US as to if and why ALL the 70 L-78 Camaros (1st built in Jan 70') had the 772 fan with clutch.....and some of the L-78 Nova's had the above non clutch fan set-up.

I'm also LOOKING for evidence that ALL the 70 L-78 Camaros had the left hand smog tube that went up and over the valve cover and NOT the 1969 Hockey Stick style going around front of V.C.

There are NO available original as built 70 L-78 Camaro pics available. I want to site Cumby's 70 L-78 Chevelle as my examnple.

Thanks,

[CamarosRus]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/70%20Chevelle%20L78%20Original/tn_Dec05037.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/70%20Chevelle%20L78%20Original/tn_Dec05098.jpg

[Mr. Chevy]

Chuck, the fan issue puzzles me.. The thing with the smog tubes, and I think this is possibly the reason, is that with the camaros and novas that had the original dual snorkel air cleaner set ups, I think they utilized the non-"hockey stick style" arm on the smog tube possibly for clearance reasons with the snorkel. I would think that the "hockey style" tube would interfere with the snorkel.. But I do not know for certain just a guess ... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Rich

[Mr. Chevy]

The pictures seem to clarify the clearance reason/issue.. Looks like the "hockey style" tube would definately interfere with the snorkel on the drivers side...

Rich

[WILMASBOYL78]

Gentlemen, the non-clutch 5 blade fan was used on the Nova because the clutch fan would not fit in the space available. In 1968 the first BB Novas used the clutch fan setup like the Camaro...the short water pump allowed enough room for clearance. These stock 5 blade fans make an awful noise http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif thats why so many of them were canned back in the day and replaced with a flex fan....as for the smog tubes...my understanding is the transition from in front to over the valve cover took place in the fall of 69...may have something to do with the low profile intake...anyway I have discussed it with Bill Hodel and he can't say for sure the exact date of transition...for a fall 69 built car it's a toss up...

wilma

[92646]

My neighbor came by to look at the Nova yesterday and he was reminiscing about his rally green 69 L-78 Nova that he bought brand new in 1969 for $3400.00. He insists that it came with a clutch fan and power steering. His name is Bill Sherman and his brother is Joe Sherman. He said that he got the car to go 12.9 at Lions with open headers and a hurst shifter. The car that he owns now is a early Falcon with a twin turbo Ford small block with nitrous that dynoed over 1200 horsepower at the flywheel. This guy knows his way around cars and he insists that his car old car had a fan clucth. After seeing the last post I wonder if he had a 1968 Nova.
Mark Sheppard

[Mr70]

I've believed it was due to the dimension of the radiator core and the proximity of the fan too it.Isn't it at it's very closest on the Novas? Possibly consider too,the Fan clutch has a longer attachment neck then the shorter fan spacer required on the Novas 5 bladed fan.

Cumby has an L-78?...does he know that? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I believe the early assembled solid lifter 1970 Chevelles-Novas came with the Hockey stick design,and the later built,(around late Dec. mid Jan 70),started to receive the shorter over valve cover design.And because the Hockey stick design,(No room for A/C equipped),was used mostly on the 1968-9 models,I always chalked it up to Chevrolet using up the old inventory on the early assembled 1970 solid lifter models first,then started using the later issued over valve cover design,(A/C acceptable),more rapidly on the later 1970 solids like Nova-Chevelle-new Camaro and ALL the detuned engines now requiring A.I.R. soon afterwards.
I've yet to see ANY 71-72 vehicle with the Hockey stick design.

I don't think the Dual snorkle design had anything to do with the A.I.R. tube design directly,just a coincedence that the Dual AC & over valve cover design were both in useage at the same time period,before that dual went the way of the Dodo.

I believe the Dual Snorkle air cleaner was originally intended for the 1970 LS-6 Corvette only.
When that didn't get the LS-6 nod for it's late 70 debut,Chevrolet began to use up that air cleaner as much as possible by mingleing it in with the Open Element air cleaner before cancelling it the following year.
Just my .03

[Mr. Chevy]

I had heard that the dual snorkel was installed late in the production year of 1970 for noise/emission regulations.. I don't know what that had to do with anything though. I do know of later production 70 cars that still had the open element air cleaner..

Chevy using up their inventory of the dual snorkel air cleaners makes sense.. I think sometimes we forget that Chevy/GM was thinking $$$$ back then and really didn't care what car got what on the production lines. They just wanted to use up inventories of their stuff...

Rich

[WILMASBOYL78]

The latest open element car that we have is 4th of Feb. 1970...

wilma

[CamarosRus]

Rick, I was most certainly wrong about Cumby having a L-78 Chevelle. What I meant to say, was that Cumby's Survivor LS-6 w/o cowl induction and having the Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner was a very good source of reference for 70 L-78 Camaro restorers.

What configuration of left smog tubes are the top restored LS-6 Chevelles using with and w/o cowl induction....

I am also looking for a survivor 1st design left hand smog
hose 39471?8



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/70%20Chevelle%20L78%20Original/tn_Dec05032.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/70%20Chevelle%20L78%20Original/tn_Dec05039.jpg

[Mr70]

Just teasin ya about Cumby's car.I know through conversing with you in the past,you are fully aware of what he has. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

"What configuration of left smog tubes are the top restored LS-6 Chevelles using with and w/o cowl induction"....

Most are putting on the over the valve cover tube even if it's not accurate for their early build,but either design will fit fine when Cowl Ind. equipped or not.
I believe it is due to owners not knowing there was a design difference & revision date for this tube,(as noted in the 1970 Chevelle Ass. manual),as well as most reproduction houses only carry the later issued over the valve cover design tube anyway.

[CamarosRus]

Rick,
1)Can you help me provide evidence that 70 Camaro L-78's should ONLY have the 2nd design, over the valve cover style of smog "tree" and hose ????? ..... as I have NEVER SEEN a as built picture of a 70 Camaro L-78 engine compartment.

2)I feel that the few restored 70 L-78 Camaros having smog are wrong, because either vendors like Hoedel and Greenhoe provided incorrect tree and hose or the L-78 owners copied 69 L-78's and installed wrong tree and hose.

3)Is it true that Crane Corvette supply offers the best repop left tree, however NOT correct as Original.

4)Any evidence that original trees were BLACK ZINC plated, even though well known vendors like Hoedel or Greenhoe may apply something else.

Below pics show 70 Camaro assy manual page. There is another LS-6 page (canceled/never built) that shows 1st design tree......and two examples of 70 L-78 Camaros with wrong left tree.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/70%20L78%20Camaro%20Misc/Air1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/70%20L78%20Camaro%20Misc/Carlisle2j.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/70%20L78%20Camaro%20Misc/Eng1FrontLeft.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/70%20L78%20Camaro%20Misc/EngLeftReifsnyder70L78.jpg

Not my intent to hi-jack this thread. If that be the case I can search for a smog thread and start over...........

[Mr70]

Chuck,taking this to email . http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[WILMASBOYL78]

Found my copy of the July 69 Hot Rod Magazine road test for an L78 Nova....they comment on the fan as follows: "A seven blade fan which doesn't have a vicious clutch is fitted. The fan makes a tremendous amount of noise at high speed, so while it does move a lot of air, this same action gives out the bothersome noise level. " they went on to talk about replacing it with a Flex-a-Lite unit for a future road test.....I think they were mistaken about the 7 blades....all conversations I have had regarding original fans for 69 BB's have been the 5 blade unit...who would have thought such a minor part would become so rare and expensive. I still remember throwing one away in 1974 from my first L78 Nova....also threw the Muncie shifter away...but that's another story http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

wilma http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Allen]

I still have the Muncie shifter from my Nova, but won't ever use it. Is it good for anything?

[x Baldwin Motion]

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I still have the Muncie shifter from my Nova, but won't ever use it. Is it good for anything?

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I have my muncie shifter in the garage, I take it out in the summer to stir the lobster pot on the grill. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[Mr. Chevy]

Hey fellas, I don't think anyone is highjacking the thread here. That is what this is all about. One started topic could lead into several others. I really enjoy reading about this stuff and what others have to say... You always learn something new from others!!

Rich

[JHS]

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The latest open element car that we have is 4th of Feb. 1970...

wilma

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Which style dueal snorkel did the 70 Nova use? What other vehicles did this air cleaner come on? Hope it's not as proprietary as the 70 L78 Camaro...

[Mr. Chevy]

It is the same dual snorkel air cleaner as the LS6 Chevelle and also the L78 Camaro used.. Same one as shown in the photos a page or two back in this thread...

They cost a fortune also if you find one!!!

Rich

[JHS]

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They cost a fortune also if you find one!!!

Rich

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Tell me about it, I have been looking for one for a 70 L78 Camaro. #$%^&, now I need 2 of them!! @

[Mr. Chevy]

I thought about putting one on my 70 L78 Nova due to it being a later production car to supplement/swap the correct open air element I have on it now, but after seeing what those things go for I figured forget it!! They look really cool on the motor but in reality I feel you get better breathing and performance with the open element anyhow.

I thought about fabricating one using a 70 small block Z28 air cleaner but I was told it would not work because of the base being different due to the 70 low rise aluminum intake..

Rich

[SS427]

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They cost a fortune also if you find one!!!
Rich

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Had one in my hand this weekend but unfortunately, it was already spoken for. Damn! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[deuce-less]

rick,

thx for the help on the nova...
it arrived safe today in iowa
couldn't have got er done without your expertise http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
once again, good friends are tough to beat http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[92646]

Tell us more please.
Mark Sheppard

[SS427]

Alan,
It was our pleasure. I just got off the phone with Tom as I just wanted to check in and learned that the car made it to Iowa today instead of Saturday. All in all it went very well and glad we could help. That is what this club is all about as you recently helped me in my inquiries regarding a certain LS-6 convertible.
Rick

[deuce-less]

the nova is an L-78 project car that needed to get to iowa..

somebody has to keep ken busy, i'm trying to do my part http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

rick was able to get the pick-up of the car and parts handled quickly, tom schultz provided the transportation and additional assistance.

bottom line.... they were THE answer on getting er done http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[92646]

Alan, looks to be a neat project. I am waiting to see the orange Nova come together. You pick the best people to get these cars done by. Where did you find this car? In your Bio you only mention Camaros, you may want to include Novas now too.
Mark Sheppard

[deuce-less]

that my friend is a most excellent suggestion http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
consider it done.

ken and his staff are knowledgeable and pleasant to deal with. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif and if they get out of line i can just give becky a call, she'll grab ken by the collar http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

these long distance transactions can be a bit hair raising, though in the end there are a bunch of really good people in the hobby and especially involved with this web site...

i'd like to see some more pic's of that silver nova, wasn't that a new car you just picked up?

alan

[Xplantdad]

Yea Mark...let's do a Members Rides on it!

BTW, Alan...can't wait to follow the progress on your Schoyne-ized Nova (say that fast twice...LOL) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[92646]

Bruce, that poor silver Nova just sits in the garage under the car cover. It seems that every week end the weather or work are keeping me from bringing the car out of the garage. I promise I will have more pictures soon. Alan, I saw your name on a project car we both owned at different times. It looks like you are finding some neat cars. I agree with your Bio that there is not a neater feeling than being part of having an old car come together and seeing your vision become reality.
Mark Sheppard

[deuce-less]

that project we both owned for a while was going to require quite a bit of work, parts, etc. and... it never would have been silver, you made the right choice. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[92646]

Thanks Allan, that other car taught me a couple of lessons about being over my head and some other stuff. It looks like you are making all the right choices. As neat as the silver car is to me. I still want a car that Schonye has put together at some point in the future.
Mark Sheppard

[deuce-less]

ken does give you great quality, personalized restorations.

but i think my favorite thing is dinner at the shed. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

alan

[Allen]

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As neat as the silver car is to me. I still want a car that Schonye has put together at some point in the future.
Mark Sheppard

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I feel very privileged to have accomplished that one now.

Thanks Ken! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Here's the handiwork of Ken, Joe, and Kevin.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/nova_ss396/Nova%20restoration/DSC00692.jpg

[92646]

Until my kids finish school this will be as good as it gets for me.
Mark Sheppard

[kwhizz]

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As neat as the silver car is to me. I still want a car that Schonye has put together at some point in the future.
Mark Sheppard

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I feel very privileged to have accomplished that one now.

Thanks Ken! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Here's the handiwork of Ken, Joe, and Kevin.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/nova_ss396/Nova%20restoration/DSC00692.jpg

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That picture looks like it was taken at the Kentucky Raceway at last years Nova Nationals.......Am I close??

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Allen]

Ken,
You are exactly correct. Here's another view with the Speedway in the background.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/nova_ss396/1970%20Nova%20SS%20396/DSC00695x.jpg

[Schonyenko2]

Nice rear shot. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
We had some issues trying to bring Alan's new Nova to Ia. We got just south of Waterloo Ia. and hit black ice. We tagged a semi with the rt frt of the truck, which spun us around and he tagged us again in the rt rear box side. Amazingly enough we didn't put a scratch on the trailer. But we did a nice 180 on the interstate, and wound up in the middle or the median. Then almost got tagged again by a honda doing 360s coming from the other way.
Not a good day. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
So as soon as I got home I got ahold of Rick N. who with the help of Tom S. was able to pick up the car from the owner, and Tom delivered it to Jensen Camaro this morning.
I think this is a great example of members helping each other out in a pinch. That's why I'm proud to be a member here.
As for the 10 10 blk Nova it's a pretty neat piece. 1st BV rear I've ever personally seen under a nova.
Thanks to all for the nice comments, and you're always welcome to stop by.

[ORIGLS6]

WOW, that had to be a trip! Who was with you?

Glad to hear no one was hurt. Could have been nasty.

[Justbad Joe]

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/nova_ss396/Nova%20restoration/DSC00692.jpg

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Awesome shot! Thats a picture we need to add to the shop wall. I still think it needs the trim rings. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Mr. Foreman always a pleasure to see what is next on the list. What great colors for your L78 Novas (orange and black). Now if we can only get the Blue Mule done. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Joe

[Schonyenko2]

It was Kevin M.s truck, amd Cronkleton's kids trailer. I was nodded off until Kevin yelled hang on, woke up headed towards the middle of a semi trailer. Nice wake up call. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[ORIGLS6]

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Nice wake up call. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

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Followed immediately by a Rest Room stop? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[deuce-less]

ya just can't hurry the really good painters, quality does take some preparation. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

i know that the finished product will be worth the wait. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

alan

[SS427]

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ya just can't hurry the really good painters, quality does take some preparation. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


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Just don't tell Tom S. that!!!! He is worth the wait but sometimes it gets a little frustrating. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[deuce-less]

that's probably cuz people like me keep interupting him for favors. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif