1970 LS6 Convertible [Archive] - The Supercar Registry

chevelleheart

01-12-2008, 07:16 PM

Guys does anyone have any Idea where the market is now for a documented 1970 LS6 Convertible? Now I know it's a broad range, but under 2 assumptions , not a survivor but a solid #2 car (driver)vs a Correct Frame off resto all NOS or orig parts. And for a car with and without the original drivetrain. My guess is for the doc,frame off orig drivetrain car $350 -$450 ? Frame off non orig drivetrain $250 - $350? Does that sound about right ? and for a documented #2 driver,non orig drivetrain $150-$200. Now the hardest one to put a price on would be the orig drivetrain non survivor car likely repainted . To me that could be $250 - $600 depending on history , milage, all the parts etc. Sorry I know it's a long winded question ?????? Thoughts anyone ? I may have a chance to buy one but I'm a little concerned on the price ? thx guys Bob You can PM me too if anyone has one LOL !!

chuckles

01-21-2008, 05:04 PM

A "documented" dark blue / black stripes / black interior LS6 convertible sold at Russo Steele for $200K on Saturday - a friend of mine claims the car is a phony - the seller had lots of documents EXCEPT no build sheet, no window sticker, no warranty plate - but LOTS of words about the low miles (21K) and all numbers match - any idea if my friend is correct if this car is a phony? - a #1 car should be worth $400 - 500K - a #2 car $250 - a full, no expense frame off would cost $150 today, and more if NOS parts were needed to make it right

Charley Lillard

01-21-2008, 06:14 PM

If it was Astro blue it was a fake with a fake trim tag. It was sold at Barrett a few years ago as a Gobi Beige car with no docs, brought to Oregon, restored as the blue car with fake paperwork added. At least now it doesn't have the fake parerwork. I think back then I was told it's build date was too early for a LS6.

mrrec

01-21-2008, 06:21 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Chev Connection in Oregon was involved with this "LS6" as well as the 71 Z discussed in another thread. If you don't know about the Chev Connection, I'd suggest you dig deep (actually, you won't have to dig that deep) and you'll be able to make very quick judgements about some of his cars.
Dave

Xplantdad

01-21-2008, 06:24 PM

It had the 'telltale' Oregon Plate on it!

Ls6 Ragtop

01-21-2008, 06:26 PM

Did anybody here take a close look at the buildsheet of the Black LS6 convert that sold at Barrett Saturday with the supposedly added on A/C? Charley?
Chris

427.060

01-21-2008, 06:29 PM

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Did anybody here take a close look at the buildsheet of the Black LS6 convert that sold at Barrett Saturday with the supposedly added on A/C? Charley?
Chris

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I think that is the one that has been on Ebay several times in the last couple years. If it is, it is also a clone. It has been talked about on here and on Team Chevelle.
James

Mr70

01-21-2008, 06:32 PM

The owner of that car told a friend of mine the 4492 carb.(Auto Trans.not Manual),& rearend are authentic to that LS-6 Convert.
If that is true,then he buried himself as it's holding a Manual trans.& the CCF 3:31 posi is L-34 specific.

Ls6 Ragtop

01-21-2008, 06:39 PM

Hey Rick,
I saw that and caught that already. Thanks for the response.
I was more curious if anybody might have a close up pic or looked at it closely as the number of clones with fake paperwork seems to be growing fairly rapidly.
Chris

CamarosRus

01-21-2008, 06:56 PM

Two questions regarding a certain Portland, OR based creator of popular Camaro, Chevelle, Nova muscle.........

1) Are the bidders pass and all fine print boilerplate, protecting the seller against any any/all created cars and created paperwork. If so many people believe that misc G.M muscle is being "created" by a known party, why isnt some one steping in to end this practice at B/J.

2) Could there also be a likely scenario, where the seller is bidding up and buying his own cars, so as to increase market interest, and then selling same car later at another auction or privately.
If this was the case, how would the seller circumvent the B/J fees ????????

Mr70

01-21-2008, 07:01 PM

For reference,Chevelle Chris is referring to,courtesy of Bruce.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/312053/page/0/vc/1

prototype

01-21-2008, 07:12 PM

Has anyone seen an LS6 convertible with Canadian documentation?

Mr70

01-21-2008, 07:22 PM

Ha!...yes up in Red Deer,but it turned out to be a 307 malibu convertible originaly,thanks to the Canadian docs.

ohhawk

01-21-2008, 07:29 PM

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Did anybody here take a close look at the buildsheet of the Black LS6 convert that sold at Barrett Saturday with the supposedly added on A/C? Charley?
Chris

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I think that is the one that has been on Ebay several times in the last couple years. If it is, it is also a clone. It has been talked about on here and on Team Chevelle.
James

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Be careful not to confuse this one with the black one that is going off at the Mecum auction in FL in a few days. The FL car has been discussed numerous times and has a well done but very suspect buildsheet as well as a few other noteables.

SOM2001SS

01-21-2008, 07:34 PM

What is the current "Guesstimate" of how many REAL LS6 'verts were built and how many REAL ONES still exist?

ohhawk

01-21-2008, 07:37 PM

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A "documented" dark blue / black stripes / black interior LS6 convertible sold at Russo Steele for $200K on Saturday - a friend of mine claims the car is a phony - the seller had lots of documents EXCEPT no build sheet, no window sticker, no warranty plate - but LOTS of words about the low miles (21K) and all numbers match - any idea if my friend is correct if this car is a phony? - a #1 car should be worth $400 - 500K - a #2 car $250 - a full, no expense frame off would cost $150 today, and more if NOS parts were needed to make it right

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$200 for an LS6 vert with no documentation? What am I missing here?

Ls6 Ragtop

01-21-2008, 08:36 PM

Thanks Rick, That's the car I'm refering to. The reason I ask is I could not attend this years auction and when the car crossed the block, it showed a buildsheet to authenticate it. I receive calls all the time regarding these cars and if somebody had a pic of the buildsheet I'd like to see it.
As for a guesstimate of real cars built and still exist I know of about 20 cars including the the 3 I have owned . The # of how many were really built is anybody's guess.
The # of fake cars seem to be surpassing the real ones.
Chris

kwhizz

01-21-2008, 10:08 PM

After being there this year and seeing the Vague and or "Creative" wording being used.....It's pretty obvious that Re-creation or Clone cars are getting to be more of the norm........The Oregon Plated cars seem to get away with it over the years, so the "Standard" of what's deemed ethical has so of gone to the Wayside........Now......Most of the People on this Site are Smart enough to sort thru the cars and know what's going on........But.....The average person going there that get's caught up in the Feeding Frenzy (Buying) and T.V. Camera's (Hype) are not as Sophisticated as you guy's are.....and are probably looking at the car for the First time when it hit's the Block under all those Light's and look's like a Perfect car from 100' away........That's the way it "IS"......Like it or Not.....the "Made" Cars are now a Part of this Cycle and the Oregon Guy probably doesn't care what we or anyone else thinks about what is going on.......and besides, a lot of people don't care if the cars are real or not........They just want it........"And" it's there......

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

427.060

01-21-2008, 11:22 PM

I may be wrong but I think the LS-6 registry has around 40 convertibles in it. Maybe Rick Nelson will jump in here and answer your question.
James

SS427

01-22-2008, 01:17 AM

At last count I believe there were 26 known and documented converts in the registry. I could be off though as the registry has taken a back seat the last year with everything else that I have going on and I have not updated my database. There are also at least 6-10 more real cars that I know about off the top of my head that I do not have paperwork on.

mc25t190

01-22-2008, 03:53 AM

I had the black one i got from Charlie B.. When i bought the car i was told by several diferent sources, not Charlie, 17, 19, 21, and then 26, who know's. I think it is closer to 20-25.

SS427

01-22-2008, 03:58 AM

Several new ones have been found since then with documents.

3macs1

01-22-2008, 04:59 AM

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Has anyone seen an LS6 convertible with Canadian documentation?

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There is and was one bought new in my town in Nova Scotia.It has Canadian docs but the car if I recall correctly was built in the US and shipped to Canada when new.
I street raced it many times in the late 70's when the original owner had it. By far the nicest 70 chevelle I have seen.Code 28 I think blue, white stripes with a white top and white bucket interior.He destroyed the engine in about 1980 , removed it and left the car sit in the driveway for probally 15 plus years. I tried to buy it many times but it was never for sale.When it was sold it was very very rusty and the guy that bought it would not spend any money on it putting patch panels on it and a 427 out of a dump truck.
I still see it from time to time and it looks OK from 100 feet but not the car it was or could be.

SS427

01-22-2008, 06:15 AM

It was in fact built in the US.

mrrec

01-25-2008, 06:39 PM

Chuck:
BJ has no real way to police fake or misrepresented cars. Even with "some" dealers having a reputation for it and even having been to court and lost, they keep selling crap. Your scenerio #2 really doesn't work with 18% total commission due if you bought your own. BJ doesn't give up their commission. Does it happen that an agent for the seller buys the car back. Yes. Is it forbidden in the contract. Yes.
Dave

P.J.

01-25-2008, 07:27 PM

the people selling some of these cars dont know if the car is legit.as far as they know the car they purchased is the car they are selling.
BJ should hire a pro to advise him on the discrepancies before the sale and make that info available to the seller.
that way BJ wont be describing fake cars for sale.
What would that cost him.
I am sure it wont cost him as much as his reputation.
PJ

NWHofH_TCB

01-29-2008, 09:26 AM

I find it absolutely pathetic that there are a few individuals in this "chat room" who will actually print lies and rumors about my reputable company of 27 years and the cars we have restored. Many of our cars (including the LS6) have been praised with the highest awards and have been featured in numerous publications and television programs. That being said, derogatory remarks that include or make reference to my name or company name will be reported to this bulletin board's advisory committee as defamation. Know the facts before making quick judgments and false accusations.

rubbinisracing

01-29-2008, 05:52 PM

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Many of our cars (including the LS6) have been praised with the highest awards and have been featured in numerous publications and television programs.

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The accolades you refer to are based on opinon, as are the post in this thread.

If you would like to respond to specific statements with the facts as you see them then we can have a debate. A carefully crafted blanket response or denial doesn't carry much weight. Help enlighten us!

mrrec

01-29-2008, 05:59 PM

That's odd. I see reference to the Chev Connection but with nothing directly derogatory. I see reference to an "Oregon dealer". I talk about "some dealers selling crap" with no reference to the Chev Connection. And I see factual info about some fake cars from some very knowledgable people who have actually examined the car(s) and documents in question and have followed them over a period of years - the hardcore hobbiests can't be fooled. But, until TCB posted, I didn't see anything in this thread that ties it all together.
Dave

Xplantdad

01-29-2008, 06:03 PM

He should broaden his scope to the internet a bit. One of his own employees at BJ this year made some interesting comments elsewhere... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

ORIGLS6

01-29-2008, 06:03 PM

A little humility speaks volumes of someone's character. Unfortunately, the same amount of bravado and ego speak even louder.

CamarosRus

01-29-2008, 06:46 PM

My Seattle based cousin, "Bob" wrote me the following......

"There are only so many low mileage survivor type cars, and T.C.C. seems to obtain an abnormally high number of them compared to other dealers, or so he would like to have people believe. He has no magic source for obtaining them buying them at auctions and swap meets, and people answering his ads. He fakes and misrepresents cars, and that goes for the mileage. I have never seen an original paint car belonging to him. Two years ago at Hot August Nights he had a 65 Chevelle he was trying to pass off as being an L79 4 speed car with original paint for $34,900. He forgot to notice on the original window sticker it left the factory as a 6 cylinder 3 speed, only having front seat belts as an option. As for the paint it was bc/cc, way too nice for original lacquer, I sould know as I own two original lacquer paint cars. He also has or so he claims is a red 1967 Z/28, with a fiberglass plenum repop air cleaner for 119k, if it were a real car it would bring huge money at BJ, it's not there because it probably could be spotted as a fake. So the point I am trying to make, a true low mileage original car does not need complete paint, resprayed trunks, undercarriage and motors, like all of his cars have, if that's the case he can declare whatever mileage he feels like.... "