1969 COPO Camaro

[69 Post Sedan]

I saw this camaro for sale on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...em=120209683216 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3A US%3A1123&viewitem=&item=120209683216)

[LS6 RAT]

I am amazed at the asking prices of musclecars that do not have one piece of factory documentation to prove what they are.

[deuce-less]

with the easily obtainable and recently manufactured pop's
dealer warranty brochures, new car check sheets.....
owner history and valid certification become a very useful tool in authentication of a cars true birth / origin. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

there are many cars without a huge stack of factory paperwork that have significant value and are really not lessened in my eyes because they lack the "perfect storm" of acceptable paperwork. jmo

[Racefan]

Doesn't Ed's certificate sort of negate the need for the perfect storm of paperwork in this case? I don't see the question regarding the authenticity of this one....or am I reading LS6 Rat's post incorrectly?

[LS6 RAT]

X11 71 71,

This cars starting price is 189K, and I imagine his reserve is close to 200K. That certainly is a substantial amount of money to pay for a car without docs to prove its provenance. I agree that previous ownership is certainly a valid form for tracking a cars history. And yes there is a fair amount of fraudalent paperwork available. For the most part it is not terribly difficult to distinguish it from authentic pieces.

[LS6 RAT]

Racefan,

I didn't consider Ed's certificate to be "the last word" for substantiation as a factory COPO Camaro. I think Ed's efforts to confirm a Camaro as a possible COPO built car is commendable, but it is his opinion, and not backed up by any piece of factory produced paperwork that leaves no doubt at all. I certainly think the seller of this Camaro deserves his asking price, provided the car has factory proof of being built as a L72 COP0. Someone who buys a high dollar musclecar without absolute proof from the factory as to its origins is taking quite a gamble in my opinion and risks the chance that down the road, proving this car to be the genuine article would be suspect without authentic factory backed docs.

[chevelleheart]

Ditto!!!Great statement LS6Rat

[deuce-less]

i guess that some of us green, newbie, etc. people have trouble distinguishing factory documents that have been created so to speak. i still believe that speaking to an original owner has got to carry considerable weight , when you are checking out a car.... and last time i checked that wasn't considered a factory document.

regarding ed c., in my opinion he has provided a lot of information and service to the hobby, people are imperfect, in fact cars and documentation are sometimes less than perfect as well.

i think the hobby at times gets too hung up on the perfect factory documentation http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif last time i checked the cars could be fun to actually use and drive. we have to be careful in what direction our hobby goes. jmo

[SMGCO]

I've personally seen the car. A good & generally correct restoration.
If you are a serious buyers I believe he will work with you a little on the sale price.

[resto4u]

That car was bought from what i believe was the original owner from wisconsin. And dale chevrolet did sell several copo's and a zl-1. So i would not have a problem with this copo. It would be in my garage if i had the spare change.