Original owner says car came with polyglass tires.

[Les Quam]

I am told this is a hotly debated issue on this forum and in speaking last night with the original owner of my Yenko Camaro he says his car was delivered from the dealership in June of 1969 with F 70 15 Goodyear polyglass tires. He said his car came from Yenko(and presumably the factory) with Firestones but that he didn't want the Firestones so prior to taking delivery of his car he watched as the dealer took the Goodyear polyglass tires off another Yenko and put them on his car. Soon thereafter he removed them to put some wider tires on his car and put the Goodyears away. We have a bill of lading showing five Yenko's were delivered to his dealership. These are his recollections and he thinks he may have some day one pictures somewhere to shed some light on this. I for one have absolutely no idea so please don't shoot the messenger.

[Les Quam]

Wasn't there a thread a long time ago about deciphering date codes on tires? Can anybody tell me how to figure out the date codes? I remember it was different than reading casting date codes on blocks etc.

[John]

...I saw this in a tread in the for sale section....does that help?

DOT Dated All 4 tires carry same DOT: CYU2F416308.. Built in 30th week of 1968.

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[Les Quam]

I know from my Mustangs going to various shows that no size goodyear polyglass tires were issued in 1969 but sometime in 1969 and I will find out later today exactly when the sized Goodyear polyglass tires were going out on late 1969 Mustangs.

[Donnie]

Les,
size went on around Oct. Nov. 69

Donnie

side note have you spoken with Dave?

[Mr70]

Les
Send me your tire codes.I can decipher.
Rick

[Les Quam]

Dave and I are trying to figure out the great tire mystery that goes along with this car as we speak. All the owners say the originals stayed with the car. When Jim Hughes got the car he removed the original wheels and tires which are old polyglass sized Goodyears thinking they were old tires but not original to the car and set them aside and installed repop wheels and tires so he could drive and enjoy the car. Jim never spoke to the original owner to learn the no size factory original Firestones were swapped at the dealer with sized goodyear polyglass tires and were original to the car when it left the dealership. I learned this morning that when Dave bought the car the car had the repop wheels and tires on it with the originals put into the trailer to go to Charley's then to Dave's. Dave upon receiving the car removed the repop tires that Jim put on and put on new correct original repop no size tires. I have emails into Dave and Charley asking if Dave ever got the original wheels and tires because they both may not have been told by Jim or the truck driver that the extras were the originals? Anyway Dave has a set of old originals in his warehouse but believes them to be built long after 1969. Dave knows his stuff so he is surely correct the question is whether Dave knows the wheels and tires in the trailer were the ones on the car when Jim Hughes bought it from Jerry B? So if we can locate the tires put into the trailer up at Jim's and sent to Charley's we can get some numbers to see if they possibly could have been the originals installed back at the dealership in June 1969.

[Les Quam]

Correction, the tires that the original owner left the dealership on in June of 1969 say "Goodyear wide tread GT" and have NO size on them so they would be correct for the car in 1969 at least according to the Mustang guys.

[Charley Lillard]

Dave has found the wheels-tires.

[Les Quam]

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[Donnie]

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Dave has found the wheels-tires.

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So, are they going to be reunited with the car?

[Charley Lillard]

yes

[csx289]

More breaking news- Les has determined that he did indeed eat corn a few days ago and this explains the presence of corn kernels during todays stool checking procedure. Date codes of said kernels will be forthcoming to confirm if they are NOS or in fact assembly line correct original corn kernels. This coupled with the carbon dating and forensics report from the lab will prove within 99.998% the exact origin of said corn. While not fully conclusive, Les has resolved to live with the uncertanty of this forthcoming vauge 99.998% affirmation that he indeed was the person who consumed the corn at the Las Vegas county fair last Friday night that is supposedly the same corn that recently passed through his system.

The original owner of the corn, farmer Robert O. MacDonald, could not be reached for comment or to provide period photographs of this years bumper crop of delicious corn.


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[Xplantdad]

Colin,

Is farmer Robert O. MacDonald also known as "Old Mac Donald"? If so, I MAY have a picture of him growing the corn that Les ate at the fair! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Stuart Adams]

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Dave has found the wheels-tires.

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That is very cool.

[tom406]

I appraised the car when Jim had it and it did come from Jerry B with what were said to be the original tires, and those tires are some vintage Goodyear Wide Tread GT, size F 70-15. Even if the date codes come up right, I would wonder if they weren't dealer swapped from a Yenko Chevelle or something. Check the dates on the wheels, compare them to the car and the tires. We've all come across wheel swaps done at the dealer for buyer's request or to replace stolen ones.

There wouldn't be any reason for a Camaro plant to have that size tire in stock (Although I guess you could argue the same about the L-72 engines and BE rears..)

Its a bit troubling to hear about the misplaced tires (glad they're found). PLEASE tell me it still has all of that cool documentation Jerry dug up and Jim preserved.

(Hopefully Dave C. is using this treasure hunting opportunity to fill the trunks of the auction cars with all of the "stuff" he has for them.)

Good luck on your fact-finding mission, Les. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

TOM

[camarojoe]

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Correction, the tires that the original owner left the dealership on in June of 1969 say "Goodyear wide tread GT" and have NO size on them so they would be correct for the car in 1969 at least according to the Mustang guys.

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This I believe. Goodyear Wide Treads are not polyglas tires. BTW, the original size on a Camaro would have been E70-15, not F70-15. A Yenko Chevelle would have had F70-15 Wide Treads, so there IS the chance they could have been swapped from a Chevelle.

[ORIGLS6]

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More breaking news- Les has determined that he did indeed eat corn a few days ago and this explains the presence of corn kernels during todays stool checking procedure. Date codes of said kernels will be forthcoming to confirm if they are NOS or in fact assembly line correct original corn kernels. This coupled with the carbon dating and forensics report from the lab will prove within 99.998% the exact origin of said corn. While not fully conclusive, Les has resolved to live with the uncertanty of this forthcoming vauge 99.998% affirmation that he indeed was the person who consumed the corn at the Las Vegas county fair last Friday night that is supposedly the same corn that recently passed through his system.

The original owner of the corn, farmer Robert O. MacDonald, could not be reached for comment or to provide period photographs of this years bumper crop of delicious corn.


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[Les Quam]

Based on photo's I just received as well as recent conversations the original owner left the dealership with Goodyear wide tread GTs which were swapped from another Yenko and quite possibly a Chevelle? The original owner only recalls tires coming from another Yenko not whether it was a Camaro or Chevelle? I don't know the size or date code off the tires yet or whether they are polyglass or not?

Dave just found the tires last night almost immediately after he first learned he had them. He wasn't told until last night the extra wheels and tires that came with the car when he bought it were the originals from new. I will go pick them up as soon as possible. Dave also has the remainder of the paperwork with the car. The paper work accumulated over the years with this car is voluminous and was in two different locations when I went to pick up the car so I didn't get them at that time. So everything will be reunited with the car shortly.

Dave was at all times very respectful of the cars history and worked like a dog to keep track of everything and it was very important to him to ensure everything went along with the car. He approaches the ownership of his muscle cars like he is a curator of A museum and is very mindful of their historical significance. Classy guy and I would buy another car from him in a second and hope to own some more of his Chevy's after the May auction in Indy. He didn't know he had the original tires when he sold me the car and he could have asked me to pay for them now but instead just wants me to have them so they are with the car. VERY CLASSY WAY TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS.

[Johnny Horsepower]

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Colin,

Is farmer Robert O. MacDonald also known as "Old Mac Donald"? If so, I MAY have a picture of him growing the corn that Les ate at the fair! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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This just in........................, Les was quoted before intake of said corn as saying "see ya tomorrow......"

Draw your own conclusions

[William]

I worked for Camaro Parts Exchange in the early '80s and distinctly remember selling Jerry B 2 of those tires at a swap meet in Indiana. Also, the car was photographed at the Hot Rod Supernats in the late '70s and it does not have OE tires on it in the photo.

[Les Quam]

Based on photo's of the car immediately after purchase in June of 1969 where one photo shows a 4-69 chalk mark on the right rear tire the original owner absolutely left the dealership with the Goodyear widetread GT tires swapped from another car in the dealers inventory.

Whether those tires are the ones in Daves garage right now that came with the car when he bought it is a different matter entirely. Jerry and all the owners I have talked to say they are and I can't imagine why Jerry would lie about it since the car has had two owners since then and he has nothing to gain by not telling the truth. As a matter of fact all the previous owners except Dave are disappointed to say the least that they sold the car when they did even thought each time it sold it brought a world record for that time. Jerry owned other muscle cars the tires would have been correct for so I can ask them what he did with the tires he purchased from you back at the swap meet.

[Donnie]

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I worked for Camaro Parts Exchange in the early '80s and distinctly remember selling Jerry B 2 of those tires at a swap meet in Indiana. Also, the car was photographed at the Hot Rod Supernats in the late '70s and it does not have OE tires on it in the photo.

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Just because there not on the car in the photo. doesnt mean there not in the garage.

late 70's early 80's the car was being driven with goodyear outlined white letter tires.