BEST OF BALDWIN MOTION

[dreemz]

On November 30, 1968, Joel Rosen sat down with Roberto Schneider, the grandson of a wealthy Mexican industrialist to fill an order for one of the most significant muscle car purchases in Baldwin Motion history. In the spring of 1969, Motion Performance completed two heavily optioned Phase III cars according to this order. They were built to specification with no regard to cost. They were then placed in storage on Long Island until the fall of 1970 while the President of Mexico, Gustavo Diaz Ordaz, personally endeavored to secure permits to get them into Mexico. The request to the president of Mexico came from the Governor of Chihuahua, Oscar Flores. The Governor's daughter was to marry Roberto Schneider, and the permits which were exceedingly rare and difficult to obtain, were to be the actual wedding present to the groom.

The two SS427 cars included a Camaro and Chevelle. Many are aware of the Camaro as it was part of the Otis Chandler collection. With the help of Joel Rosen, I was able to locate the Chevelle. As there had been extensive rumor and conjecture, I figured I would do my best to find Roberto Schneider in Mexico and establish a clear history. I started with a private investigator in El Paso, Texas who traveled into Chihuahua Province, Mexico. Roberto was finally located on his 90,000 acre ranch and I subsequently made contact. Roberto extended a personal invitation for me to visit and I chartered a plane to take me into Central Mexico.

It was during the three days I spent with him that I learned of the history discussed above. It is just a fraction of the amazing history of these two cars as well as his life. In fact, were not much of it documented with original photos, it is almost unbelievable. Roberto sent me home with personal family photo albums.

The Chevelle history is documented with: uninterrupted ownership history back to Roberto Schneider, interim ownership by Joel Rosen, (and his letter of course), original photos of the brand new car in front of Motion Performance, photos of the car as found 20 years later retaining it's original paint, Motion paint scheme, it's original Torque Thrust wheels, etc and it's original build sheet showing shipping to Baldwin Motor Company.

Nonetheless, my primary motivation for posting this information is to announce the invitation of the car to the Amelia Concours in Florida on the weekend of March 8th and 9th. The Chevelle will debut for the first time ever. In addition, it will be displayed hitched together with the Camaro in tow, just as it left Long Island almost 38 years ago in route to Texas. In fact, we will be using the very NMW tow bar used in September 1970 as it has been with the Camaro ever since. Much more to come...

[Xplantdad]

CW http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif...that's awesome! Can't wait to see it in person...but I'll have to live through the pics for now! Whenever you post them up....that is. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[JoeG]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif o-lay.......

[RUQUIK]

That is a wonderful story, it will be great to see the Chevelle that Tom Johnson always talked about. Tom was a good friend of mine and to this day I still coach his grand daughters in Select Softball. I had the priveledge of driving the Green Motion car on several occaisions down the local Blvd. Even have some pics of it in Tom's Driveway. In his day he own a bunch of really neat cars and loved all muscle cars. I remember he said on many occasions that he wished he would have bought both cars in Mexico. Again great story.

Roy

[SSjeff427]

What was the color combination on the chevelle? Exterior color combination and interior? Also, is the event at Amelia Island open to the public? I will be working in Charleston SC Wed Thur and Friday the week of the event, it would be stupid to be that close and not drive on down to Amelia Island to see that kind of history.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gifThanks,

[mockingbird812]

An <u> INCREDIBLE </u> and <u>SIGNIFICANT </u> piece of muscle car history being brought back to all of its glory. Your hard work, patience, and incredible diligence have paid off in a big way. Nicely done Mark. Best wishes in FL!

[shor]

Is Amelia Concours a car auction? or a car show?

[PeteLeathersac]

Crazy W http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gifW!!!
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
~ Pete

[Woj]

This car has turned out to be truly spectacular. An incredible piece of muscle car history is about to revealed. Good job Mark!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Here is the link to the Amelia Island event:

http://www.ameliaconcours.org/events/schedule.asp

Phil Woj.

[MosportGreen66]

Congrats on the find!
Thank you for sharing!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

[Bruce]

As Mark stated in his introductory, the procurement of the historical documentation is absolutely amazing.
Your patience and tenacity is finally paying off.
Congrats Mark http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Bruce]

ssjeff427
Yes open to the public, car is Tuxedo black, white stripes and int.

[Bergerz28]

If I remember correctly Joel found this car 1995 or 96 in Texas when he brought the car back to Motion in Baldwin he called me to see it and do the resto it was in great condition Black, white stripes with a white interior and had about 18 factory options he also gave me the video tape of of in texas when they found it. It was a fine looking car.

[Bergerz28]

The Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance is open to the public at a fee at The Ritz Carlton on the water this years theme is the Trans Am series cars and Parnelli Jones will be there as well as some others breathtaking cars not many Musclecars some vettes and cobras 1963 and down, had a car there in 2007 took best in class, I will be there this year if anyone wants to meet up. 914-633-6524.

[m22mike]

Mark
Good to see you are nearing the end to a long project that I know will give you great pleasure.
Good job and have fun with the car.
Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

So are there any pics for us to see ???????????????

[Mr70]

What a great find &amp; vision.
Will they televise or record this event for any of the cable channels on March 8-9?

[Born30YrsLate]

...I'm shocked!... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[AutoInsane]

When will you be postng the rest of the story on the car??

[PeteLeathersac]

[ QUOTE ]
Here is the link to the Amelia Island event:

http://www.ameliaconcours.org/events/schedule.asp

Phil Woj.

[/ QUOTE ]

I see they're honoring Derek Bell at the event too.. I was lucky to meet him once at Mosport back in the 80's when he was piloting the Rothmans sponsored Porsche works 956/962 Group-C cars...an amazing driver w/ history to prove he's got bigger balls than almost anyone!.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
~ Pete

[Stefano]

Very Cool. Can't wait to see pics http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

...c'mon Mark..."put out"... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif damn!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

sneak preview ? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[SSjeff427]

Please, let the peasants have a little crumb from the table, pic please. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[dreemz]

With regard to pictures I have a confidentiality agreement with Bill Warner not to show the car until the Concours but what I'll try to do tomorrow is take a couple of pics at obtuse angles so that I'm not revealing the entire car. You'll still get a good feel for the car.....

[Xplantdad]

Well...you could always make us wait.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[KMOTION]

Thank you for sharing these incredible pieces of Supercar history next month. Too many of these cars are hidden away in private collections, never to be seen.

Do you have any future plans to show these cars again at other venues for those of us who can't make it to Amelia Island this year?

Again, thanks to you and all others on this Board who bring their cars out for all to enjoy. Your generosity is appreciated by many!!!! Jim

[dreemz]

Here's a rear quarter shot. Note the NOS Cure Rides (Super-Bite suspension), one of the last sets JR had. The Torque Thrusts are the ones that were on the car when it left L.I.(15x8.5 backs 14x6 fronts); original GT mirrors. Multiple additional performance options beyond the PhaseIII SS-427 package. Car originally had a set of "Indy" red lines on it.

[dreemz]

The original hood flew off the car at a high rate of speed on a highway outside of El Paso. This was made from the actual original mold by Joel Rosen in the early 90's

[mockingbird812]

Scintillating!!!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[dreemz]

The car was ordered with nineteen RPO options including power windows and 8-track. This is the original series 500 steering wheel from MP.

[JoeG]

[ QUOTE ]
The original hood flew off the car at a high rate of speed on a highway outside of El Paso......

[/ QUOTE ]

Almost lost mine..one side poped up draggin..That's why I changed my hood locks to hood pins......
Mark, -- freakin car is so http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif It just oozes Motion Performance...

[dreemz]

I restored the car to exact original specifications based on Joel Rosens' handwritten order invoice dated Nov 11,1968 and original photos of the car. Many of the Motion Performance parts are the last from Joel Rosens' personal inventory-all are true NOS.
I would like to thank Fred Eichorst, Joe Guerra, Bruce Hershberger and Phil Wojnarowski, all of whom were highly instrumental in the completion of this car. I also suspect Mockingbird and Xplantdad really never thought the car existed- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Mr70]

Thank You. http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/images/smilies/heelclick2.gif

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
I also suspect Mockingbird and Xplantdad really never thought the car existed- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think so Mark...We knew! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

If we told you how...we'd have to kill ya! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

[ QUOTE ]
I restored the car to exact original specifications based on Joel Rosens' handwritten order invoice dated Nov 11,1968 and original photos of the car. Many of the Motion Performance parts are the last from Joel Rosens' personal inventory-all are true NOS.
I would like to thank Fred Eichorst, Joe Guerra, Bruce Hershberger and Phil Wojnarowski, all of whom were highly instrumental in the completion of this car. I also suspect Mockingbird and Xplantdad really never thought the car existed- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Does that mean I get a ride? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
...is it me or is there someting missing in the pic showing the rear of the car?...

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]

...is it me or is there someting missing in the pic showing the rear of the car?...

[/ QUOTE ]


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif no tailpipes, side exhaust.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/320210-BMgettingclose001.jpg

[JTH74]

Can't wait to see good pics of this car, awesome! Didnt the Green 69 B-M PhaseIII Camaro come with Ansen wheels on it instead of the rallyes that are on it now, I think I have read that somewhere before.

[Chris396]

Oh man what an awesome looking car! Black and white is gorgeous.

[JoeC]

Looks cool but where is the trailer hitch? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Ngtflyr]

I was going about 120 the "first" time my hood popped on my 69 chevelle but was held by the "safety catch?". Scared the crap out of me. Got used to it, happened several times, not smart enough/no money for hood pins. Not too bright at 16 yoa, fly helicopters now so guess I haven't gotten any smarter over the years.

[Born30YrsLate]

[ QUOTE ]
Looks cool but where is the trailer hitch? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
Yup JoeC...that's it!...

[dreemz]

The hitch goes on this weekend. Also a rear antenna (came with 8-track/AM radio setup) and white sport stripes. Have a photo of the car just prior to leaving for TX in front of Motion Performance with the hitch installed. Also, interestingly it has the same NY Dealers plate on it that many of the magazine test cars used. One example is the Phase III Nova featured in Hot Cars May 1969.

[JoeC]

do you have the original MP work order?
I am curious what parts are listed for carb, intake, dist, ign wires, etc?

[Tim Penton]

Awesome, can't wait to see more pics!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[cromagjeff]

Quick question, how do you view pics? I'm new to this and I believe this is the same BM that a friend of mine owned back in the early 80's before he sold it to Otis Chandler. White hounds tooth int. The only wing on a camaro that I have seen.

[dreemz]

Loading for Amelia Island Concours. Note the hitch in place and correct dealer plate as Motion set up the cars for delivery to TX.......

[Tarrytown SS427s]

Awesome car, can't wait to see some better pics! Is that a repro license plate?

Steve

[Born30YrsLate]

[ QUOTE ]
Loading for Amelia Island Concours. Note the hitch in place and correct dealer plate as Motion set up the cars for delivery to TX.......

[/ QUOTE ]

The only Supercar that looks good with a trailer hitch!...and the only car you don't want to "go off without a hitch"...

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
Loading for Amelia Island Concours. Note the hitch in place and correct dealer plate as Motion set up the cars for delivery to TX.......

[/ QUOTE ]

Can't wait to see it in person Mark! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[rich p]

Could you have stood farther away Mark ?? I was trying to figure out what kind of tree's those are !!! Just kidding !!

Should be a Great show and I was more then happy to LOAD the show up with the SuperCars that will be there !!

[m22mike]

Mark asked that I post some pictures in this thread.

This thread over in "Other Events" has the first batch of pic's of the cars coming off the transports
look here
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/319838/page/0/fpart/3/vc/1

I will post the rest of them form the show here. I had kind of lost track of this thread Mark started.

Mike

[m22mike]

More of the Balwin Motion Cars @ Amelia Island

Waiting in line to the display area, That is Mark "Dreemz" talking to Jim Lynch in his BM Camaro.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008008.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008009.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08083.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08082.jpg


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008011.jpg

Tow Bar, they are pretty sure it is the one used by Roberto back in the day

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008018.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008024.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008023.jpg

This white interior is really stunning and crisp against the black. Check out the 8 track and power windows.
Maybe Mark will go into detail about some of the options both these cars had

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008029.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008028.jpg

Restored original wheels installed at Motion, NOS side stripe,found by Phil "Woj"

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008047.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008048.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008049.jpg

A shot of Mark just after the Judges informed him the two cars would be awarded an "Amelia Award"
Did I get that right Mark ?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008102.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08170.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08171.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08172.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08117.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08118.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08119.jpg

[Xplantdad]

GREAT PICS! Thanks so much for sharing,

Good to see Mark having some fun... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Andy]

Very nice looking pair of Motion cars. What's up with the Rally Sport emblems on the Chevelle? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Thanks for sharing!.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[Mr. Chevy]

Great shots Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Rich

[Chevy454]

Awesome pictures! All this time I thought it was Otis' *70* Chevelle that originally towed the Camaro, now I know different! Good stuff... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[47Hammer]

Great pictures of incredible cars, I remember looking thru Hot Rod and Car Craft magazines before I had my licence (1972) thinking, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif I want one! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[SSjeff427]

I love how the chevelle write up refers to Joel Rose, really, the car gets into a concours show after 39 years and they don't know how to spell Rosen? Proof reading is worth every minute you spend on it, and worth 100 times the minutes you don't.

[Woj]

Andy, The RS emblems were put on regarding the original owner's intials, RS for Roberto Schneider. As far as the mis-spelling of Rosen's last name, the Amelia folks had around 400 cars. Nothing you can do to change that after it has been printed. A little mistake like that is totally understandable with this many cars.

These photos do not do justice to the quality of these cars. This is true muscle car history.

Enjoy,

Phil Woj. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JoeG]

So I guess the B/M PhaseIII Chevelle towing the B/M PhaseIII Camaro was Motion's version of a PhaseVI-------Works for me !!!!!!.........Awesome Baldwin/Motion History &amp; Muscle..

[m22mike]

More of the Motion cars, here is some of the Camaro. 5700 miles, original paint, window sticker still stuck on the window http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
Original Motion sticker

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008132-1.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08208.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08173.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008024-1.jpg

Nice job on the tow points

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08218.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08269.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08277.jpg

Original interior http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08080.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08079.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08078-1.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08077.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08072.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08069.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08068.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008132.jpg

Some more of the Chevelle

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs-7.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008107.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008136.jpg


Another one of Phil's parts find, check out the perfect NOS GM assy. bumper hitch.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08301.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08298.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08289.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08290.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08292.jpg

Great single stage black paint, alot of depth

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08287.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08288.jpg

Check back again, still more http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Mike

[Xplantdad]

Mike...awesome...

Thanks for taking the time to post these. I think I can retire now. You guys have a handle on it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[AutoInsane]

Absolutely incredible!!

In regards to:

"t was during the three days I spent with him that I learned of the history discussed above. It is just a fraction of the amazing history of these two cars as well as his life. In fact, were not much of it documented with original photos, it is almost unbelievable. Roberto sent me home with personal family photo albums."

What are the amazing stories???

[Dog427435]

I am in heaven!!
What beautiful cars - I'd swear it's 40 years ago and I'm in Baldwin's showroom.
Thanks for sharing these treasures with us!!!

[rich p]

And the Blue Ribbon goes too !!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/richsp/IMGP3431.jpg

[m22mike]

Nice shot Rich http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
I didn't think I was aloud up in the grandstsand !

Mike

[RM Schimel]

Excellent photographs-Thanks for sharing.

[mockingbird812]

Congrats Mark! Great job. Long time coming. You did great - the Chevelle looks awe-inspiring!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Mike - the photo coverage is fantastic. Great detail shots. Get this man "credentials" if he doesn't already have them! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[mockingbird812]

BTW Mike... how do those Motion cars sound? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[m22mike]

Sam
They sound way better than my L78 Camaro http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
More pic's to come.
Stay tunned at both threads, also alot of car show stuff too, like the Trans Am stuff. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif
Glad you guys like the shots, it was just nice to get the heck out of Ohio for a few days

Mike

[mockingbird812]

Yeah - I agree there is a difference in the sound of an L72 vs an L78 thru chambered exhaust. Kevin Dewittes Black L72 'velle sounds thunderous. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[olredalert]

-----What a treat for the eyes!!!!!! Im wondering if Roberto used the Chevelle often or if neither one got many miles???????????.........Bill S

[rich p]

Here's were they interview the owner

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/richsp/IMGP3432.jpg

[rich p]

What was really wild was when I was walking up to get in, some guy asked if I had tickets. He said he had extra tickets and would love to give them to my family... WOW !!
Just saved $150 for three. Now that was one cool guy !!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Mr. Chevy]

I dig the New York 1970 dealer plate &amp; Phil's cool trailer hitch assembly!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

Rich

[JTH74]

No other words for the 2 B/M cars except awesome! thanks for sharing the pics with us.

[DarrenX33]

That Chevelle is so cool its stupid. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
That Chevelle is so cool its stupid. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


so are all these idiots that can't stop looking at it !!!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif GO TO BED !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif




http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008023.jpg

think of this.....pleasant dreemz!!

[njsteve]

I still have nightmares about trailering my old hemi ragtop years ago in that blizzard. Can you imagine flat toeing that Camaro on that dinky trailer hitch for 3000 miles behind that Chevelle? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif Imagine the brake fade coming down the mountains. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[dreemz]

Addressing a few items: The RS emblems represent Roberto Schneiders initials and were installed by Joel Rosen as a tribute due to the magnitude of the purchase and RS's family background. They are present in photos of the car new, and when found in the late 80's. I have all the original RS and 427 emblems the car was born with. This includes the front grill where the RS emblem has never been removed. In addition the original order invoice specifically calls for removal of all SS emblems.
As far as other stories, I have a series of photos chronicling Roberto's arrival on his 2nd trip to NY to pay the balance and take delivery. This includes a photo of JR prepping one of his open chambered Tahiti boats. RS was taken for one wild ride. He told me he actually hoped JR would back off. In the end he had to as the Long Island police in a helicopter stopped them for speed in excess of 100mph. JR was issued a $150 ticket.
And yes Sam I did kick the back end of the car on the golf cart path en route to the field but was respectful of the fairway unlike the Trans Am cars.

[Chris396]

Awesome! Those two cars are now my favorite pair of supercars. Gorgeous.

[JoeG]

They do kinda make you smile................

[olredalert]

------I just keep coming back to this thread and it gets better and better. I have to say that even with all the press the green car has gotten over the years and its magnificent condition I simply would kill for that Chevelle. Of the two thats IT for me.........Bill S

[m22mike]

Ditto for me too, Mark's Black B/M Chevelle is spectactular http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif
The photos do not do it justice.
More shots are coming, some cool shots of the loading process.
Check back.
Mike

[SUSQ]

The absolute top of the heap, IMHO. What else can be said?
Thanks so much for sharing!

[owners2]

The cars look great.Thanks for sharing the pics.

[m22mike]

A few more parting shots of Mark's Black Beauty after the show in the transport lot.
I can't get enough of looking at this car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I had a great time, thanks Mark, Phil, Wayne and Jim L.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08297.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08294.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08295.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08296.jpg

Phil and Mark, cool story here on how these two car guy's met and became friends. I'll let them tell the story some time.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIs08304.jpg

That's all folks http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Amelia%2008/AmeliaIsland2008162.jpg

[Woj]

Mike,

Great job posting the pictures. This is an incredible car with an equally incredible history. Having the Camaro twin and the WayneS Yenkos at the show was the icing on the cake. A great weekend of muscle car overload.

Hat's off to Mark, Jim and Wayne for displaying some of the best of Muscle Car history.

Phil Woj.

[bad1racing]

First off AWESOME CARS!!!!I have been reading this thread since it started and all I can say is WOW!Great story and history.
I can't believe noone has asked or invited them to SCR11.Not that they need a invitation.I know I for one would love to see these masterpieces up close and personal.

Kendall

[m22mike]

That is a great question http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

The history of these two cars is like no other. Mark had some early photos of the pair in front of Motion performance. In the one shot you could even see the bumper hitch on the Chevelle. Gives you goosebumps.

Mike

[shor]

<font color="red">" I can't believe noone has asked or invited them to SCR11" </font>

I don't think anyone gets special invites, we just fill out the registration form, load up the trailers, bring plenty of money for diesel and chips and hit the road
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

Here is the link for the registration.
http://www.yenko.net/misc/entryform.htm
Maybe Dreemz can forward it to Jim L.
I for one wouldn't mind lining up to one of those Baldwin Motion cars at the track!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

...heck...I'd push Mark's Chevelle all the way from Arizona to get it to the Reunion cause it's SOOOOO COOL!...

[Tim Penton]

Mike, Thanks for posting the pictures, they are great! What are the wheel and tire sizes on the Chevelle? Thanks http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[m22mike]

Do not remember, the backs are larger than the front, Mark will have to answere that for you, sorry.
I enjoyed posting the pic's. I always love to look at the great shots from other parts of the US and "Oh-Canada". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Mike

[dreemz]

I've had several inquires about the wheels and tires. As I had previously posted they are the original Torque Thrusts that were on the car when it left LI in Sept 1970- 14x6s in front and 15x8.5s in the rear. The original order invoice shows "Special INDY tires $200.00". The original photos of the car new show red line tires with the above mentioned wheels. I believe the rears are L70s. To replicate as close to original as possible, I had Diamondback Classics custom fabricate them on bias ply L60x15s rear and F70x14s front. Bill Chapman at DB Classics only wanted to build them on a radial type tire but I wanted an original look. After some trial and error (some tires sacraficed) they came out great. They are great folks to work with. Bill informed me they will hold up just fine during a burnout and they are truly very close to what came on the car.

[mockingbird812]

Did you say "burn out"! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Got any pictures? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif



http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[flash43]

Awesome cars. Love to see those original photos from 1969-
1970.

[jeff morocco]

[ QUOTE ]
.
I for one wouldn't mind lining up to one of those Baldwin Motion cars at the track!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

with what chris?..........a certain b/y chevelle http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[gts340]

I have been reading this thread from the start and I have to say those two cars, and the history of them, are unbelievable. I am a Dodge guy and don't usually even like Chevelles, but that car is just RIGHT! The Camaro is awesome too.
(I can't believe I just said that about a GM)

[mockingbird812]

Nothing to be ashamed of Eric! Altho a bowtie-centric web site, some of these guys even appreciate other brand names too. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

[ QUOTE ]
I had Diamondback Classics custom fabricate them on bias ply L60x15s rear and F70x14s front. Bill Chapman at DB Classics only wanted to build them on a radial type tire but I wanted an original look. After some trial and error (some tires sacraficed) they came out great. They are great folks to work with. Bill informed me they will hold up just fine during a burnout and they are truly very close to what came on the car.

[/ QUOTE ]
It's attention to detail like this that makes this car look "just right" and take it to the next level!...that and the spark plug wires http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif...

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I had Diamondback Classics custom fabricate them on bias ply L60x15s rear and F70x14s front. Bill Chapman at DB Classics only wanted to build them on a radial type tire but I wanted an original look. After some trial and error (some tires sacraficed) they came out great. They are great folks to work with. Bill informed me they will hold up just fine during a burnout and they are truly very close to what came on the car.

[/ QUOTE ]
It's attention to detail like this that makes this car look "just right" and take it to the next level!...that and the spark plug wires http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif...

[/ QUOTE ]

What are those wires? Not Delco SS550s?

[dreemz]

Mallory 7mm, fresh off the spool........ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif Fred

[Tim Penton]

Thanks for the wheel information guys. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[oboym]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_ErZsIk23o

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[AutoInsane]

I had to bring this thread back!!! I just love the story and the cars!!

Did the "rest of the story" ever get told??? How about some of those old photos!!!

From the original post:

"It is just a fraction of the amazing history of these two cars as well as his life. In fact, were not much of it documented with original photos, it is almost unbelievable. Roberto sent me home with personal family photo albums."

Where was the Chevelle found? When did the original owner sell it?

Perhaps a new thread could be set up with the whole story and just the pics of the cars.

[dreemz]

The original owner never sold either car. Each was given to one of Roberto's friends after he lost interest in the cars. The cars, contrary to popular belief, never were delivered to Mexico. He kept them in a parking garage across the street from the Gateway hotel in El Paso. When he would come up to visit El Paso from Chihuahua City or the ranch in central Chihuahua provence is when he would drive them. Most of the important pictures have been given to Marty Schorr to be published in the new book about the history of Motion performance. Marty is hoping the book will be out the 3rd quarter of this year. He has been putting alot of effort in the book and has secured a publisher.

[Xplantdad]

Very cool info Mark! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[hvychev]

I don't know where the hell I was when this thread was going on (I have never see it till today), and I am not a fan of Motion cars, but the story and these cars are freakin amazing. This is definitely one of the "top ten" storys that I have ever heard come from this site. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
.........these cars are freakin amazing. .........http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Frank, you sound like a fan now!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[dreemz]

With the Motion book coming out I talked with Marty about posting some pics related to the history of these cars as a promo. I don't know which pictures I submitted actually were used. Anyway, this is one of the best-in front of Motion Performance the day of delivery, September 1970, brand new, close to two years after the original order date.

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq201/sandmanmd/BM1.jpg

[dreemz]

Check out the Phase III GT parked next to the Camaro. I'm wondering if this car ended up with Otis Chandler and then on to Kevin Suydam

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
With the Motion book coming out I talked with Marty about posting some pics related to the history of these cars as a promo. I don't know which pictures I submitted actually were used. Anyway, this is one of the best-in front of Motion Performance the day of delivery, September 1970, brand new, close to two years after the original order date.

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq201/sandmanmd/BM1.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Wow is it nice to finally see this car with the slots on it. I had always heard it was delivered with them but never saw any pics. I think this is my desktop wallpaper for a while. Thanks for posting! Do you have in higher resolution?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[dreemz]

Roberto proving to his friends did indeed have two Baldwin -Motion cars built. Remember these cars where held in storage on Long Island awaiting permits from the president of Mexico (Gustavo Diaz Ordaz) so that the cars could be bought directly into the country. Unfortunately, only one permit was issued and the cars never made it into Mexico. Additionally, the administration changed (President Luis Echavarria Alvarez) and Robertos' father-in-law, the governor of Chihuahua (Oscar Flores) did not have the same relationship with him

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq201/sandmanmd/BM5.jpg

[dreemz]

Here's another shot of the Camaro, original photo, not enlarged. The detail may be a little better

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq201/sandmanmd/BM6.jpg

[Born30YrsLate]

OH MY FREAKIN GOODNESS....you just made my day!
I too had also wanted to know for the longest time what the Green car looked like with slots!

[Tenney]

Cool in-the-day pics, thanks. Sharp w/the Ansen's. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[427TJ]

There's just something about an Endura RS. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

[Ngtflyr]

I love it!

[67L78conv]

This stuff is just spectacular!!! Thank you for sharing. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

http://chevroletcamaros.com/postpicsoffsite/69baldwin.jpg

[JoeG]

Very http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Woj]

[ QUOTE ]
This stuff is just spectacular!!! Thank you for sharing. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

http://chevroletcamaros.com/postpicsoffsite/69baldwin.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Can't agree more!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[dreemz]

Here the two cars are getting ready to "get hitched" for the ride to El Paso, TX. The Chevelle was found 20 years later in good unrestored condition with most of its original paint (including Motion graphics), wheels, emblems etc.

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq201/sandmanmd/BM2.jpg

[Dog427435]

[b]WOW!!! Great shots! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[L89DRMR]

One of the best posts ever on this site! Two of the most desireable muscle cars ever produced captured when they were brand new. Thanks for sharing the photos.

Dave

[Tarrytown SS427s]

WOW! Incredible color photos! Thanks so much for posting them, now I really can't wait for the book! BTW I have one of those old green Baldwin street signs on my wall http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[iluv69s]

I just read this whole thread again for the third time now....Are you kidding me??? Those pics are toooo cooll !!! I read the story of the cars a while ago...but to now see the pics when the cars were being picked up at Motion...and the "proof" pic in Baldwin NY...hahaha...that is something I would have done !! I wonder about the pics of the ride across the country??....Incredible !!!

Thankssss for sharinnggggggg !!! Awesomee !!!

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[black69]

this post is like a gift that keeps on giving. one of the best ever, love the whole story and the pics! I am partial to endura RS also http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[musclecarjohn]

[ QUOTE ]
One of the best posts ever on this site! Two of the most desireable muscle cars ever produced captured when they were brand new. Thanks for sharing the photos.

[/ QUOTE ]

Word!
Anymore pics or stories...where are the stories from 3 days in Mexico? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

I have that same Motion Camaro in an old Car Craft magazine "Camaro" (Volume 4 Number 1) and to see it again here is a real pleasure.

Maybe this will work, I assume you guys have seen this before in this mag.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/HAWGDADDY/camaro001.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/HAWGDADDY/1.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/HAWGDADDY/2.jpg

Here's other pics sorry for bad scans.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/HAWGDADDY/CCI09162009_00007.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/HAWGDADDY/CCI09162009_00008-1.jpg

[Dog427435]

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t114/dog427435/1218%20ashbridge/ss176.jpg

[m19gale]

Does anyone know what the rear width of the tires are on the back? They look like the are 8", but possibly 10"??

[owners2]

That car is Bad Ass !!!

[dreemz]

John-
Here is a great story I discussed earlier. To celebrate the delivery of the two cars to Roberto, Joel took him out for a ride in his Motion modified Tahiti boat. If I recall correctly, it had an open chambered 454. They were nailed by the Long Island police in a helicopter at 100 mph shortly after this photo was taken(and given a $150 ticket). Roberto, actually told me that he was scared enough to tell Joel to slow down. In the photo Roberto is getting in the boat and JR is getting it running. The bandage on his foot is from a nail he had stepped on. To give you a further idea of how extreme this boat was, the Long Island Donzi dealer pressured JR to sell him the boat. He was unfortunately seriously injured when he crashed it and spent 3 months in the hospital. The boat was just another one of the radical machines engineered by JR.

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq201/sandmanmd/BM3.jpg

[dreemz]

In response to requests for higher resolution on these photos (they have been enlarged)-I'm working on it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[mockingbird812]

We're anxiously waiting Mark. What terrific photos you have covering the incredible history of your black beauty. Thanks! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Atuckman]

I had the pleasure of seeing Mark's "dreemz" car tonight. It is truly one of the most radical, eccentric and gorgeous musclecars I've ever seen. INCREDIBLE!

Mark- thanks for the experience and hospitality. Enjoy that beast, Adam

[69hurstSC]

Incredible! There may not ever be a better Muscle Car story to tell.