Old Motion articles & cars

[Dog427435]

[b] Found a bunch of old magazines with some cool Motion Cars & articles! I'll post them as I get them scanned.

[Dog427435]

[b] Looks like the road test occurred before all the Motion emblems were affixed
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[mockingbird812]

Good stuff Dog!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Dog427435]

[b] The ultimate Baldwin-Motion car. A '69 SS-427 ZL-1 Camaro.
The only way it could have been better was if it was a 4 speed!
Sadly this car was stolen a couple months after these shots were taken, never to be seen again.
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[Verne_Frantz]

VERY interesting notation that they used Cliff Gromer as driver for the best 11.48 run. Cliff went on to become editor of Musclecars magazine out of Hackensack. I met him at an E-town show in the early '80s when I had my '62 there. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[COPO]

Dog, super article. What magazine is that from?

[Dog427435]

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[JoeC]

I can't figure out what car Oldham is talking about in this article. The pictures look like the one he bought new and there are other 1969 articles on it but no mention of ZL1 power in the other articles?
Also no mention of ZL1 power in the recent Oldham book that has an article on what I think is the same car?

[DarrenX33]

Not the first time I have seen this. In some other mags I have it seems that pictures in the articles got mixed in. Like the article on this car titled "Outrageous". In the article one of the pictures is of a 68 dash. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[COPO]

Joel told me he built one '69 ZL-1 Camaro. You're right about the pics. They seem to get recycled in a few articles.

[427TJ]

They did this all the time. Oldham's Camaro was used in several articles not always about his specific car. Cars Magazine used 1968 photos of Joel Rosen's '68 SS 427 Camaro in articles as late as 1982 when they published a "garage find" story about a different '68 SS 427 Camaro in a special edition magazine. In the '82 article they even implied that the photos were of the "garage find" car, when in fact they clearly were original '68 photos.

What kills me is that Oldham kept his '69 in a frickin' open car port at his apartment building! It got stolen? Well NO SH*T!!! I think Oldham even admits that by parking it in the car port it was only a matter of time until it got stolen. Someone who was there (maybe Oldham in one of his stories) said that B-M cars were practicaly number one on the stolen muscle car list in those days. They'd get stolen and parted-out. No wonder real B-M cars are so rare today.

[Dog427435]

[b]Thanks to Marty Schorr for the straight scoop on Oldham's Camaro:


"Oldham's Camaro was not a ZL-1, it was a Phase III (steel) 427 auto trans SS427 Camaro and it was stolen shortly after it was built for him. It was the car I used for the WANTED poster advt. It was triple-black and ran like a rocket! "
Many thanks,
Marty

[Dog427435]

[b] For anyone unfamiliar, this is the WANTED poster advertisement Marty was referring to - Notice the car has stripes in this photo


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[Born30YrsLate]

...I have wondered if that was really Joe's car...the car in the "WANTED" ad has different rims (which could easily be changed) and a white hockey stripe...all the other pics of Joe's car did not have that side stripe.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Oldham's book explains the wheel swap.

[DarrenX33]

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Oldham's book explains the wheel swap.

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Great book by the way. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[JoeC]

There are pictures of J O’s black Motion Camaro with 3 different sets of wheels on it. At first, I thought there may have been another black 69 Motion Camaro that may have had ZL1 power but would think that it would have been covered in Cars mag or another mag of the day.

Another interesting bit on this car.
In J O’s book, he states that he asked for the orange Ram Air Firebird after his Motion Camaro was stolen but on page 67 you can see what looks like a black Motion Camaro in the stage lane behind the orange Firebird.

Again indicating a possible second black 69 Motion Camaro.
They may all be the same car and the articles could be incorrect.
A minor error but makes it difficult to track and document the cars.

Not saying anything negative about J O as I think he is a great writer and have enjoyed his articles and books.

[wannarun70]

whats the name of the book http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[DarrenX33]

I just looked at that picture and re-read the chapter.. Your right Joe, interesting observation. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[427TJ]

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They did this all the time. Oldham's Camaro was used in several articles not always about his specific car. Cars Magazine used 1968 photos of Joel Rosen's '68 SS 427 Camaro in articles as late as 1982 when they published a "garage find" story about a different '68 SS 427 Camaro in a special edition magazine. In the '82 article they even implied that the photos were of the "garage find" car, when in fact they clearly were original '68 photos.

What kills me is that Oldham kept his '69 in a frickin' open car port at his apartment building! It got stolen? Well NO SH*T!!! I think Oldham even admits that by parking it in the car port it was only a matter of time until it got stolen. Someone who was there (maybe Oldham in one of his stories) said that B-M cars were practicaly number one on the stolen muscle car list in those days. They'd get stolen and parted-out. No wonder real B-M cars are so rare today.

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I need to clarify my post.

"They did this all the time" means that magazines often used file photos (photos in their files from past features) for more than one article and sometimes years later, as in the case of the Rosen '68 Camaro photos, taken in 1968 and used again in the 1982 special edition article. Same photos but two different cars being talked about. It also means that cars were often re-wheeled, re-engined, re-whatevered for subsequrnt articles. See: Carroll Shelby's first Cobra (1962), quickly repainted several times for use in various magazine road tests to imply that there were many Cobras when in fact there was just the one. Joe Oldham's car seems to have been through similar treatment.

My "fricken' open carport" and "Well NO SH*T" comment was not to imply that Mr. Oldham was stupid but to convey my frustration that such an incredible car was stolen and undoubtedly broken up into parts by car thieves, never to be seen again. I have been informed that the car was not in an open carport but in a locked garage that was broken into. I thought I had read years ago that it was in an open carport but it was, in fact, in a locked garage when stolen.

Hope this clarifies what I was trying to get across!

[x Baldwin Motion]

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whats the name of the book http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

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http://www.motorbooks.com/Store/ProductDetails_37569.ncm
Muscle Car Confidential: Confessions of a Muscle Car Test Driver


here's an excerpt http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=120680

[Dog427435]

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[wannarun70]

thanks chris. I was born and raised in astoria, so that was a nice excerpt you picked. That was still one of the places to go in the mid 80's. It was fun sometimes trying to make the turn at the end to go onto the Grand Central Parkway or Astoria blvd. thanks again
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[Dog427435]

[b] from Oct. '68
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[Dog427435]

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[x Baldwin Motion]

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[/ QUOTE ] This car only ran 11.30's http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Thanks Glenn, it is easy to see here that the mods to the VW's were so cheap and easily doubled HP. Headers, cam, Webers, dual point distributors (high Tech!) and you got AIR! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif
Ralph Nader pissed on those Wheaties also.



http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifHow cool is this?!! Zora Arkus-Duntov begging Joel for performance secrets!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
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[Salvatore]

I believe that VW ran in the mid 10's before retirement. GTO DON has the tow vehicle that goes with the Thunderbug. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[MosportGreen66]

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[b] from Oct. '68
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The badest Motion Camaro ever built?

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An original Fantastic Five Catalog from my collection...

[Tarrytown SS427s]

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An original Fantastic Five Catalog from my collection...

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Could you post a picture of the page regarding the Chevrolet full-size(Impala Biscayne)? Great piece!

Steve

[Dog427435]

[b] Another Motion ad with this same Camaro
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[Dog427435]

[b] This Camaro is wearing the same dealer plate as the Phase III Camaro
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[Dog427435]

[b] Wouldn't it be nice to place an order today!!



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[Dog427435]

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[mudjnky]

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In that last picture it looks like the roof stripe is wider than the trunk stripe. Was it, or is just an illusion in the picture?

[x Baldwin Motion]

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In that last picture it looks like the roof stripe is wider than the trunk stripe. Was it, or is just an illusion in the picture?

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gifthe trunk stripe and rear panel are both shrunken by the fold in the magazine. (also lost a digit from the license plate)

[x Baldwin Motion]

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now here is something I haven't seen recently.

[Chevy454]

This just in...

<font color="red">Hi Guys,

I happened to come across the message board regarding my car. I certainly had a senior moment when I wrote the Firebird 400 chapter in my book. That day at Westhampton dragstrip took place in early December 1968. At the track that day, we had my Baldwin-Motion Camaro, the Firebird and also Nunzi's '62 Pontiac Catalina race car. I photographed all three cars that day for articles. My Camaro was stolen in March 1969. So my opening paragraph about my car having just been stolen is obviously in error.

But wait, it gets worse. I also wrote in that paragraph that I was about to get married. I was actually married in 1967, two years before. So when the book came out, I had to explain that error to my wife!

Sorry guys. I always tried to be accurate in my writing but I really messed up in my book's Firebird opening.

Joe Oldham</font>

[JoeG]

But wait, it gets I also wrote in that paragraph that I was about to get married. I was actually married in 1967, two years before.............



Joe Oldham[/b]</font>

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Hey, old guys are human too----But I didn't know Joe Oldham was a Morman...

His book was very http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif by the way..........