'69 X77 302DZ Camaro Barn Find

[Malitude]

What's this car worth? It is a barn find that was just offered to me for the right price, if I offer it, from THE ORIGINAL OWNER.
OK about the car:
99000 miles on the car, it is fair to rough. He has all documentation, protect-o-plate. It has the original 302DZ engine, single 4 barrell carb, M21, 12 bolt, fold down rear seat, all numbers matching except for the starter and altenator. The car has the original battery in it. It is nicely optioned as well, rear defrost, power disk brakes, guage package, everything is there. I just don't know what it's worth. I work with the guys wife and he wanted to offer it to me before anyone else.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[king_midas]

If it still has the original battery, I'd offer at least $1,000,000, as that must be an advanced alien-technology power source that you can sell for huge profits.

Otherwise, maybe $15K?

[firstgenaddict]

Not enough info...
What color ext? int?
Cowl hood?
Still wearing original paint?
How original are the factory finishes?
Any rust? if so where?
Running and driving?
Color and condition are going to be the main factors here...

[firstgenaddict]

15k... you could part it for more... I think that barnfind blue car out of NY that needed a total resto sold for 20k a few years ago... not running...

[Salvatore]

[ QUOTE ]
If it still has the original battery, I'd offer at least $1,000,000, as that must be an advanced alien-technology power source that you can sell for huge profits.

Otherwise, maybe $15K?

[/ QUOTE ] http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif I would love to see some pictures. Especially of the battery. Have to give us pictures and more info. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Original Canadian car?.

Welcome Rob!.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[firstgenaddict]

Good question Pete... why didn't I catch that?

[king_midas]

"Barn Find" is probably the most inaccurately-used term going these days. Maybe the term should be "barnyard find" (aka: Steamy gold) for cars that have no chance of a quick and low-effort resurrection.

My definition of "barn find" is when you pull back the cover, change the fluids, brake calipers, water pump/radiator, and are motoring in a few weekends... ...instead of dragging some derelict mess home. Granted, it is what it is, but hype cools off, and then what are you left with?

In the current market, at anything north of $15K, you're going to be upside-down in grand fashion. Any car of this ilk (99K miles and stored poorly) means that it was ridden hard and put away wet when it either became too ugly to drive, or broke something, meaning that you'll have to go through EVERYTHING and have a $50K car in today's market.

A restoration done yourself you'd be upside-down on just on your money, and not including your time. A restoration you pay for-- Forget it. A 'nice' paint job is $10K these days. And that's just paint. Not to mention that you wouldn't be driving that thing until 2011 at the soonest....

Sounds like a recipe for disaster...

[firstgenaddict]

If you try to buy one the correct way... ie backing out costs. You will end up having to get someone to pay you to take it away in order to makethe money wash out...

[GeorgeLyons]

Pictures and more info will get the questions answered. As for the battery.............I'm slightly suspect it is in fact the original. Starter & Battery replaced but the battery hung in there ?

[1969z280]

Rob:

Sounds like a cool find. I'm a big fan of First Gen Z/28s and they are rarely purchased from the original owner with original drivetrains and paperwork. Some of the options are great too! Fold down rear seat and rear window defogger, pretty cool. If you are able to post some pictures, you will probably get a more realistic response from members. My advice is mechanical work regardless of what is needed is always cheaper than extensive sheetmetal and paintwork. Determine the value by how much you can do yourself and not farm out. Also structural integrity is important. Rockers, rear frame rails and floor pans are not for the novice. Good luck, have fun, and jump into the deep water. First Generation Z/28s are icons. Ed

[Malitude]

I said that he had the original battery. I'm sure it is garbage. But he kept it like pretty much everything. This guy doesn't throw nothin out. He has all records of oil changes, repairs and even the original brochure and the purchase agreement from the dealer when he ordered the car.I did take some pics of the car but I don't know how to post them. The car has some rott in the very lower part of the body, quarter behind tire, bottom of doors, bottom of fender behind tire, gas tank straps broke. The car has been sitting since '76 store inside a POLE BARN. Everything is there for the car except the original starter and altenator. It has 92600 miles on the odometer. It is an original Canadian car (sold in Canada). Here is the list of options:
Soft ray tinted glass, fold down rear seat, rear defrost, center console, 3.55 ratio posi rear axle, power disk brakes, engine block heater, M21 tranny, sport styled steering wheel, special instrumentation, am/fm push button radio, special front bumper, auxiliary lighting, special performance equipment (Z28), cortez silver on dark blue vinyl interior. This car cost $4712.45 when he bought it new. He even traded in a '65 Plymouth Fury III w/440 4spd for it.

[budnate]

20/30k depending on condition, get it home http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[firstgenaddict]

silver over blue wih endura... nice...

[king_midas]

So it's a POLE BARN find...? Does that mean it was sitting on a dirt floor?

When gas tank straps break from rust, that is generally a bad sign...

[ORIGLS6]

Silver/Blue guts sounds cool. Nice options too.

As for the original owner/original battery thing.............. it ain't ALL that uncommon! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

Yes,gas tank traps that break is not a good thing.How does the car look underneath over all???? I wouldn't pay more than 20k for it only because of it's cost to restore.

[mockingbird812]

[ QUOTE ]
I said that he had the original battery. I'm sure it is garbage. But he kept it like pretty much everything. This guy doesn't throw nothin out. He has all records of oil changes, repairs and even the original brochure and the purchase agreement from the dealer when he ordered the car.I did take some pics of the car but I don't know how to post them. The car has some rott in the very lower part of the body, quarter behind tire, bottom of doors, bottom of fender behind tire, gas tank straps broke. The car has been sitting since '76 store inside a POLE BARN. Everything is there for the car except the original starter and altenator. It has 92600 miles on the odometer. It is an original Canadian car (sold in Canada). Here is the list of options:
Soft ray tinted glass, fold down rear seat, rear defrost, center console, 3.55 ratio posi rear axle, power disk brakes, engine block heater, M21 tranny, sport styled steering wheel, special instrumentation, am/fm push button radio, special front bumper, auxiliary lighting, special performance equipment (Z28), cortez silver on dark blue vinyl interior. This car cost $4712.45 when he bought it new. He even traded in a '65 Plymouth Fury III w/440 4spd for it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Welcome Rod. Welcome to the site! Sounds like an interesting Z.

Send your photos to me and i will post 'em for you. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Salvatore]

I guess that battery should be sitting in the car with the positive side at the fender. I would like to see that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Malitude]

The underneath of the car doesn't look too bad at all. He parked it with a full tank of fuel. The gas in it is for sale.
"Hi test fuel for sale. Aged in tank for 32 years. Almost good enough to drink" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[SMGCO]

The very high cost ( ie, money, time, aggrivation, etc ) of restoration always needs to be considered. Very easy to get upside down .

[Chateau Slate 66]

If the car is for yourself, getting upside down is not the end of the world. Many people (myself included) can't afford a completely done, well restored 69 Z. Hopefully, when it is done, you know the car is done right because you weren't forced to cut corners. (Or purchasing someone else's slap together for resale project) Basicly, you are making payments to yourself. In the end it costs more, but you are able to have something that you may otherwise not be able to have.

I'm not saying that this is the case in this situation, just that may people do buy project cars for this reason.

[snydes]

In this day and age of fraud, faked build sheets and restamped blocks, I'd sooner buy a car in project form where you can see more evidence of the cars pedigree in undisturbed form, even if it means sinking a little more money into it to restore of have it restored. This way you can be a part of the restoration, and you know what you have. Plus it sounds like you got a heck of a deal on this one, so congrats.

[300deluxeL79]

ok, now come across with the pictures.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[HiHorse]

[ QUOTE ]
"Barn Find" is probably the most inaccurately-used term going these days. Maybe the term should be "barnyard find" (aka: Steamy gold) for cars that have no chance of a quick and low-effort resurrection.

My definition of "barn find" is when you pull back the cover, change the fluids, brake calipers, water pump/radiator, and are motoring in a few weekends... ...instead of dragging some derelict mess home. Granted, it is what it is, but hype cools off, and then what are you left with?

In the current market, at anything north of $15K, you're going to be upside-down in grand fashion. Any car of this ilk (99K miles and stored poorly) means that it was ridden hard and put away wet when it either became too ugly to drive, or broke something, meaning that you'll have to go through EVERYTHING and have a $50K car in today's market.

A restoration done yourself you'd be upside-down on just on your money, and not including your time. A restoration you pay for-- Forget it. A 'nice' paint job is $10K these days. And that's just paint. Not to mention that you wouldn't be driving that thing until 2011 at the soonest....

Sounds like a recipe for disaster...

[/ QUOTE ]
I don't know if this has any connection but this quote reminded me of this girl my buddies referred to as Barnyard Betty.......she was not a good barn find.

[x Baldwin Motion]

...

[/ QUOTE ]
I don't know if this has any connection but this quote reminded me of this girl my buddies referred to as Barnyard Betty.......she was not a good barn find.

[/ QUOTE ]


Was her positive side up against the fender? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[king_midas]

LOL; this is what I'm talking about:

EBay Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/A-True-Barn-Find_W0QQitemZ270216544448QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 270216544448)

Don't use "Barn Find", and instead it's barnyard find... Total mess.

Though, I should edit my original statement regarding the difference between barn find and barnyard find to include "clean it up to a respectable and patina'ed level" in addition to enjoyable mechanical refreshment.

You can't polish a turd.

[Dave Rifkin]

I can't beleive that many people bid on that POS.

[69 Post Sedan]

[/ QUOTE ]I don't know if this has any connection but this quote reminded me of this girl my buddies referred to as Barnyard Betty.......she was not a good barn find.

[/ QUOTE ]


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[Malitude]

[ QUOTE ]
"Barn Find" is probably the most inaccurately-used term going these days. Maybe the term should be "barnyard find" (aka: Steamy gold) for cars that have no chance of a quick and low-effort resurrection.

My definition of "barn find" is when you pull back the cover, change the fluids, brake calipers, water pump/radiator, and are motoring in a few weekends... ...instead of dragging some derelict mess home. Granted, it is what it is, but hype cools off, and then what are you left with?

In the current market, at anything north of $15K, you're going to be upside-down in grand fashion. Any car of this ilk (99K miles and stored poorly) means that it was ridden hard and put away wet when it either became too ugly to drive, or broke something, meaning that you'll have to go through EVERYTHING and have a $50K car in today's market.

A restoration done yourself you'd be upside-down on just on your money, and not including your time. A restoration you pay for-- Forget it. A 'nice' paint job is $10K these days. And that's just paint. Not to mention that you wouldn't be driving that thing until 2011 at the soonest....

Sounds like a recipe for disaster...

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks for the clarification on this. BUT, this car is a "Barn Find" and with a little TLC, could be on the road in a couple months. AS far as the retoration goes, I'm a pretty resourceful guy with lots of resourcefull friends. Materials would be my only financial cost (not much needed either), labour would be crafted with love from a group of guys with a passion for American Muscle. (If this is what I do with this car). The only drawback would be time to do it. I'm not in a hurry and have no intentions of cutting corners. But it could also be an investment opportunity as well. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Who knows, I just might flip it. Haven't decided yet.

[Allen]

[ QUOTE ]
LOL; this is what I'm talking about:

EBay Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/A-True-Barn-Find_W0QQitemZ270216544448QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 270216544448)

Don't use "Barn Find", and instead it's barnyard find... Total mess.

Though, I should edit my original statement regarding the difference between barn find and barnyard find to include "clean it up to a respectable and patina'ed level" in addition to enjoyable mechanical refreshment.

You can't polish a turd.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's no wonder I can't find or afford any more parts cars if they look that rough yet bring that kind of money.

[Malitude]

[ QUOTE ]
LOL; this is what I'm talking about:

EBay Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/A-True-Barn-Find_W0QQitemZ270216544448QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 270216544448)

Don't use "Barn Find", and instead it's barnyard find... Total mess.

Though, I should edit my original statement regarding the difference between barn find and barnyard find to include "clean it up to a respectable and patina'ed level" in addition to enjoyable mechanical refreshment.

You can't polish a turd.

[/ QUOTE ]

That car you provided the link to, if you consider that a "barn find" then this DZ car I have is a "Gem". My car could be driveable, but I wouldn't even think about it until I check everything over due to the rareness of this find. To just fire it up and try to drive it, in my books would be irresponsible to what the car actually is. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif So with reference to your "being driven hard and put away wet", this is not the case. I do appreciate your input though. It's funny, I always wanted a '60s Camaro. I never thought that my very first Camaro would be a DZ car. I should go buy a lottery ticket. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

If it ain't a turd to begin with, polishing it will be a breeze. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Malitude]

[/ QUOTE ]

Welcome Rob. Welcome to the site! Sounds like an interesting Z.

Send your photos to me and i will post 'em for you. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

PM me your email address so I cansend some pics to you. Thanks,

[Steve Shauger]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
LOL; this is what I'm talking about:

EBay Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/A-True-Barn-Find_W0QQitemZ270216544448QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 270216544448)

Don't use "Barn Find", and instead it's barnyard find... Total mess.

Though, I should edit my original statement regarding the difference between barn find and barnyard find to include "clean it up to a respectable and patina'ed level" in addition to enjoyable mechanical refreshment.

You can't polish a turd.

[/ QUOTE ]

That car you provided the link to, if you consider that a "barn find" then this DZ car I have is a "Gem". My car could be driveable, but I wouldn't even think about it until I check everything over due to the rareness of this find. To just fire it up and try to drive it, in my books would be irresponsible to what the car actually is. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif So with reference to your "being driven hard and put away wet", this is not the case. I do appreciate your input though. It's funny, I always wanted a '60s Camaro. I never thought that my very first Camaro would be a DZ car. I should go buy a lottery ticket. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

If it ain't a turd to begin with, polishing it will be a breeze. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Malitude your car is a real Gem. You make the final decision and know what your capabilities are. Good luck with the car and just ignore the negative comments from those that have not even seen the car. To me the enjoyment is bringing them back to life.

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
Malitude your car is a real Gem. You make the final decision and know what your capabilities are. Good luck with the car and just ignore the negative comments from those that have not even seen the car. To me the enjoyment is bringing them back to life.

[/ QUOTE ]

Amen Steve, and for what it's worth, I've seen cars far worse than that frost green car brought back to life too...Around here that car would be considered a pretty nice find. Some people just like to make negative comments about the good luck/finds of others I guess... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Malitude]

Thanks guys. You're right. I won't let those kinds of comments bring me down, not with what this car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I'm sure that there are hundreds of other cars out there just waiting to be discovered. My Brother and I knew about this one for a few years now and kept it to ourselves in hopes that they would sell it to us one day. I guess they finally decided that they weren't going to do anything with it and offered it up for the right $. Soon it will be in my Garage when the weather breaks.

[68l30]

Good luck with the Z..Just think..If you do get "upside down" you won't be for long. Sounds like a winner to me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif


Steve

[x Baldwin Motion]

I didn't think that green 69 Camaro was a bad deal under $8,ooo.oo. I've never owned a Camaro or any car newer than a 67, was that realy "badly bought" ?

I have actually been considering getting a 67 (or maybe 68) Camaro and would have thought it was a GREAT deal if it were one of those years. Are the earlier ones bringing much more money even in the same condition?

[Hylton]

I don't know why everyone is talking about losing money on these cars. Now is the time to be buying. Just like stocks boys - buy when nobody wants them and sell when everybody wants them!

[Xplantdad]

Is this the Camaro that was posted on Team Camaro a while back?

Either way...ignore the negative stuff...and have fun with it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Dog427435]

Everyone should have a Camaro - and a project.
Now you have both - I've seen much worse going for much more around here.
Good Luck & enjoy!!

[Jeff H]

[ QUOTE ]
Everyone should have a Camaro - and a project.
Now you have both - I've seen much worse going for much more around here.
Good Luck & enjoy!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't you mean a couple of Camaros and a Camaro project? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

That's a cool color combination and you can't go wrong with an original car like that.

[Malitude]

I have some pics of the car. Will have more while picking it up and when I get it home.
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/69Z28-00tn_-2.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/69Z28-10tn_.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/69Z28-8tn_.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/69Z28-6tn_.jpg

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

It's a shame that people store there cars this way and forget about them.You are going to have your hands full,so take your time and enjoy your new project.

[Xplantdad]

Looks like you got the photobucket thing down now! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[njsteve]

Wow. Doesn't look too bad. That steering wheel looks mint. There's a couple grand right there! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[Steve Shauger]

[ QUOTE ]
I have some pics of the car. Will have more while picking it up and when I get it home.
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/69Z28-00tn_-2.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/69Z28-10tn_.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/69Z28-8tn_.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/69Z28-6tn_.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

The car looks great, I bet it cleans up very well. Send some pics after a little soap, water and elbo grease... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Mr70]

If that's Owl poop on the seats,talk to Charley.

[Zedder]

Looks like a great find...congrats! Let us know how many little critters you find in that baby when you take it apart!

[camarojoe]

Original blue standard interior rocks... looks like it'll clean up nice too!

[68l30]

The clean stuff looks crisp.Can't wait to see more... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif


Steve

[lwkitt427]

GREAT FIND I AM SURE IT WILL TRUN NICER THAN YOU THINK KEEP THE PIC'S COMING

[MosportGreen66]

You saved one hell of a nice Camaro!
Wipe down the seats, steam clean, etc, deep clean the carpet... You're in business!

Congrats!

[musclecarjohn]

[ QUOTE ]
Wow. Doesn't look too bad. That steering wheel looks mint. There's a couple grand right there! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Serious!
Looking great! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[X77D80]

That is a seriously great find!! Cool color combo and great options!! Congrats!!

[PeteLeathersac]

Great move Rob! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif
Looking forward to updates of your progress on this car!.

And unless you've already done so, contact George Zapora at GM Canada Vintage Services for the original build documents!.

[email protected]

Toll-free (in Canada) 1-888-467-6853, between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. EASTERN Time. (Outside Canada 1-905-440-7636)

For more detailed information about Vintage Vehicle Services, please visit:

http://gm.ca/gm/english/shopping/parts/vintage

~ Pete
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Please go forward carefully... there is alot of information to be taken in when dealing with unrestored cars and they deserve the most careful consideration...

[Malitude]

Well Guys. I finally picked up the car tonight. Just in time too because we are expecting 3"-6" of snow tomorrow. It's 3:20am and I'm wooped. The laneway to the barn was nothing but mud, about 4" of it. I took lots of pics and will get some posted up this weekend.

[Salvatore]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[1970Bluel78]

Get some rest and then post away !

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Reeled In !!!!!!!!!!

[HiHorse]

any time now

[Hylton]

Hey Carmine, I guess your 2000 ads in Kijiji didn't get you a call on this one huh?

[Malitude]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey Carmine, I guess your 2000 ads in Kijiji didn't get you a call on this one huh?

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif That's funny. Only a handful of people knew about this one. There was no advertising either. We made the deal with only a handshake. That's the thing about old school farmers. Most all business they did back in the day was with a hand shake. He held the car with no deposit, actually refused a deposit from me. All my buddies said that he will sell the car to somebody else, but I knew he wouldn't. I told him that I had to move some money around and I had to wait. He said that he would wait too. A hell of a guy he is. 2weeks later and I finally have the car. It's not like the car could have been pulled from the barn with all of the snow and mud in the laneway anyways.

[Hylton]

Now that farmer is a gentleman. Unfortunately money is more important than someones word these days. It's a shame really...

[HiHorse]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey Carmine, I guess your 2000 ads in Kijiji didn't get you a call on this one huh?

[/ QUOTE ]
Doesn't surprise me, people only call to see if I have one for sale.

[lwkitt427]

CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE THE NEW PIC'S

[Jonesy]

laneway? that must be Canadian.

[Unreal]

How much does a laneway?

[Malitude]

Yep definetley Canadian eh!
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/P3190014tn_.jpg
the hand shake
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/P3190003tn_tn_.jpg
Peeking
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/P3190006tn_tn_.jpg
The "laneway"
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/P3190007tn_tn_.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/P3190011tn_tn_.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/Malitude/P3190009tn_tn_.jpg

More to come.

[Malitude]

[ QUOTE ]
How much does a laneway?

[/ QUOTE ]

About dat much. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
How much does a laneway?

[/ QUOTE ]

About dat much. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[lwkitt427]

LOOKING LIKE A GREAT STORY IN THE MAKING HERE

[firstgenaddict]

Hey is that a stripe delete car or has it been painted?
Does the cowl tag have a -- beside the PNT? or a 69 69

[HiHorse]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey is that a stripe delete car or has it been painted?
Does the cowl tag have a -- beside the PNT? or a 69 69

[/ QUOTE ]
Car does have stripes

[Malitude]

The stripes have been authenticated by our great Ontario dust and dirt. 32 years of it. There are stripes there. Just hard to see under the blanket on them. You probably have never heard of this. This is a rare GM option, protect-o-paint, more rare than a RS cross ram JL8 option.

[lwkitt427]

IT IS GREAT TO HEAR SOME PEPOLE WILL HONOR A HAND SHAKE STILL

[firstgenaddict]

It sure is Les...

[camarojoe]

Awesome find...congrats! where are all the naysayers now? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[ORIGLS6]

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Great find. Just take your time cleanin her up, photodocument the hell outta it and enjoy the fact that you've made a bunch of us jealous! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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[king_midas]

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Now that farmer is a gentleman. Unfortunately money is more important than someones word these days. It's a shame really...

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Maybe the first nay-sayer right here...

I bet that farmer that does business on a handshake would probably feel like he got royally f-ed if he knew:

http://www.camaros.net/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=25532&cat=44

[Malitude]

He was happy to get what he was asking for the car and didn't ask questions. I have my other car for sale as well. which ever goes first, I'll keep the other. My intentions were good. Things are what they are and one has to go.

For all the "Nay-Sayers", this car would be an investment opportunity to anyone amongst other things. To me right now, I need to sell it. There is no way I could pass on it. I would love to keep it but would probably go insane worrying about the what ifs when it is finished. I would enjoy a driver, and will eventually have one, rather than a #s matching car.

[billj]

Wow......nine pages of this saga.....and now this.......bummer
........"and then,depression set in"....... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif....BILL

[SSJunkie68-69]

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The only drawback would be time to do it. I'm not in a hurry and have no intentions of cutting corners. But it could also be an investment opportunity as well. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Who knows, I just might flip it. Haven't decided yet.

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Well, now we know.......

Now that you have placed this for sale, what is the amount you are looking for? "Best offer" does not work here.

[Shankin]

I hate to see it up for sale myself. I was looking forward to seeing this car put back to its former glory.

[Mike]

I would have the motor checked out....drop it back in, clean it up and drive it. Should get alot of attention at local shows.

Mike

[70Z28RS5151]

Seller is asking 60k.


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/328908/Main/328858/#Post328908

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

I wanted to see it back on the road with before and after pics too.It's a shame he bought it just to flip that quick.He says that he wants a driver someday,hell all he has to do is clean it up and reinstall the motor an trans and he has his driver.If he gets 60k for that car i should be able to get 80k for my Z,which is noway a 80k car.

[Hylton]

If he gets 60K for that, I'll GIVE you my Z!

[firstgenaddict]

40k is closer to the number... he gave 15-16k for it (I know is irrevelant)

[camarojoe]

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40k is closer to the number... he gave 15-16k for it (I know is irrevelant)

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Wow, I'll say it's irrelevant. Since we're spouting off numbers related to other people's purchases, how much did you pay for the black one you're asking 90k for?

[KENNY_PASCOE]

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40k is closer to the number... he gave 15-16k for it (I know is irrevelant)

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Wow, I'll say it's irrelevant. Since we're spouting off numbers related to other people's purchases, how much did you pay for the black one you're asking 90k for?

DOESN'T MATTER IF THE CAR WAS A GIFT TO HIM. HE CAN ASK WHATEVER HIS HEART DESIRES. IT TAKES ALOT A NERVE FOR SOMEONE TO SPOUT OFF WHAT THE CAR WAS PURCHASED FOR ON AN OPEN FORUM WHEN IT IS OF NO CONCERN TO THEM.I HEAR OF SCENARIOS LIKE THIS DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND IT JUST TURNS MY STOMACH. THIS IS COMING FROM A GUY THAT WANTS $90K FOR A BLACK Z/28 WITH A CE MOTOR RIGHT ??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif KP

[firstgenaddict]

I knew I was going to get ripped on that one... I said it is irrelevant... the black car was alot more than 15-16k... and the numbers given at that time were a value of approx 50k as is... no work done. There was more than 15k in work and parts collected to put the black car to where it is.

Granted this car does have the original engine and paperwork... but from what I saw it looks as though there are holes rusted through the fenders... so I said a number of 40k as is... maybe a little more. That is not a number I would be willing to pay seeing as the car is going to need a complete exterior resto... (bare minimum) can't see the car being worth more than 80-90k restored. If the rust damage is not as extensive as I would imagine it is... then maybe the car is worth $50k.

Who cares if the previous purchase price is "spouted out" the money is always made on the buy side and just because someone knows what was paid for the car does not make the car or (any car for that matter) worth any less. He bought the car below market, he was happy and the seller was happy, that's the best deal when both parties walk away happy.

[FRITO]

would alyea i tried that on the tag under hood by the brake booster has som numbers and letters like st 69 wrn11427 lower down it has a 53 53 by what i think is the trim this car has a metal plate were my other nova had a radio strange huh it also has this gills like fish gills on the fenders whats l this mean

[Hylton]

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[Hylton]

If Rob gets 60K for it, good on him but if he sticks to that price, he will be in the same game as James (still waiting). Ultimately the market lets everyone know what everything is worth. I believe if Charley still has his L89 for sale at 150K and Colin still has the rare wing car available, there will not be a line up at 60K for this car anytime soon.

[lwkitt427]

THERE IS ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO THESE KINDS OF STORIES. YES THE BUYER DID USE THE SITE FOR INFO THAT I AM SURE HELPED HIM MAKE THE BEST DEAL HE COULD. BUT LETS BE TRUE HERE SOME OF US ARE IN THE HOBBY TO MAKE MONEY AND SOME FOR OTHER REASONS. LET BE GLAD THAT A REAL 69 Z28 WILL HOPEFULLY MAKE IT WAY BACK ON THE ROAD FOR ALL OF US TO SEE. LIKE FIRST GEN SAID IF ALL PARTIES WHERE HAPPY WITH THE DEAL THEN SO BE IT. IF THE GUY TOOK ADVATAGE OF THE FRAMER THEN MAYBE WHAT GOES AROUND WILL COME AROUND SOME DAY

[firstgenaddict]

Exactly... the seller of the black car doesn't need the money and would rather have the car than the 85k that has been offered... it will either be the same case with the silver car or if he truly wants to sell it... market prices will prevail. I for one would like to know what the REAL market is (for a barn find like the silver car) between 2 knowledgeable parties.

[LVCamaro]

nothing personal, JAG, but if you ever posted anything like that about a car I own...I GUARANTEE you one of us would lose his right to ever post here again. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

SS

[427.060]

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I knew I was going to get ripped on that one... I said it is irrelevant... the black car was alot more than 15-16k... and the numbers given at that time were a value of approx 50k as is... no work done. There was more than 15k in work and parts collected to put the black car to where it is.

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I think you were way out of line by telling what was paid for a car that you have nothing to do with. I like the way you skirted around what was paid for the black car. You don't mind telling what others pay when trying to sell. Why not tell what was paid for the one you are trying to sell?
JMO, James

[lwkitt427]

I DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM GETTNG JAMES WHO WAS HANDLEING THE BLACK 69 THE FIRSTTIME IT WAS ONTHE BOARD. HE TOLD ME THE WHOLE STORY ABOUT THR RUNING GEAR AND THE OTHER GUY WHO USE TO WORK ON IT AND TRIED TO BUY IT ALSO BUT WAS UPSET WHEN HE DID NOT GET. NOW !! I DO AGREE THAT FIRST GEN IS TRYING TO HIT A HOME RUN ON THE PROFIT SIDE, BUT IT IS HIS CAR AND IT IS ONLY WORTH WHAT SOMEONE IS WILLING TO PAY AND AS OF RIGHT NOW THE MARKET SAYS NO NOT QUITE THAT MUCH. AGIN LETS BE GLAD THAT A REAL 69 Z28 THAT HAD BEEN IN THAT BARN FOR QUITE SOME TIME IS FINALLY COMING OUT AND SOME ONE WILL PUT HER BACK ON THE ROAD, AND SHE DID NOT IN UP IN A JUNK YARD SOMEWHERE.

[firstgenaddict]

What was paid for the black car was posted along time ago... 35k... That being said... I wish I would have found the silver car for what it was bought for... I don't have a problem with people knowing what was paid for something. What something was bought for and what it is worth are totally unrelated!!!

[firstgenaddict]

Never really understood why what was paid is so secret... we all tout auction prices all the time... but heaven forbid anyone throw out a low number...

[L34Pace]

Has anyone seen an engine compartment shot of this car?

[ANDY M]

I think it is fair to say that when a car trades hands, it's a win-win situation, (unless the seller has to take the money right then, for whatever reason).
As was dicussed in the thread on capital gains, it does not matter how much money is made, it matters that you report the transaction.
If it's not your car, you can offer your opinion, but you can also get flamed for doing that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif
Too many times on this board have there been threads like this where somebody offers the wrong point of view over something that is not his personal business, and things then get nasty. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Malitude is been upfront all along, and he has been flamed for doing this. This is wrong. When LV throws his 2 cents in, that tells me enough is enough. If you can't say something nice, shut up. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif
BTW LESLIE, UNLESS YOU CHANGE YOUR NAME TO CASEY, PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR CAP LOCK. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[firstgenaddict]

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Has anyone seen an engine compartment shot of this car?

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Not that I know of, there hasn't been one on the other boards as far as I know of either...

[x Baldwin Motion]

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...............right now, I need to sell it.

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I believe it is time to post your price and move this thread. How 'bout it Charlie?

[SuperNovaSS]

It is already priced at 60K in the for sale section. Check it out, the thread is more entertaining.


Jason

[musclecarjohn]

really,lol...where's that popcorn gif when you need it? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[10/10_RS/Z28]

I really like this car. The blue interior is one of my favorites and appears to be in great shape considering. I prefer cowl hoods to the flat however that is quite an awesome find. I would however have concerns of how big of a project were actually talking here. The gas tank fell out due to the straps disolving. That is pretty serious rust!!! I somehow question that the cancer eating this car stopped at the gas tank. More pic's please underneath and how about a shot of the cowl tag next time the hood is up. Great car I'm sure it will sell.... less than 60k jmho.

[Malitude]

Just the driver's side fuel tank strap is broken. The strap is solid except the area where it broke. When I looked at the car, because all 4 tires were flat, it gave the illusion that both were broken. Not the case here, only one was. If your interested in purchasing the car post in the "For Sale" section, email me or give me a call. I guess people don't see Or Best Offer in the price. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif