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Tracker1
03-17-2008, 10:11 PM
where is the hidden VIN on the tail-light panel? on the subframe? I know there's one on the firewall behind the heater box...where else? Thank you in advance
CamarosRus
03-17-2008, 10:41 PM
The 70+ Camaros had ONE vin stamp on the firewall as youve mentioned. The 2nd Gen enthusiasts at www.nastyz28.com (http://www.nastyz28.com) have never seen evidence of any other body/frame VIN stamping.
There is of course the VIN tag riveted into the dash area
The VIN's were also stamped on the Z-28 and 402 Blocks and Transmissions.
Hylton
03-17-2008, 11:15 PM
My 70 Z has two on the firewall. One was near the heater core and the other at the lower part of the firewall near the tunnel on the passenger side.
DarrenX33
03-17-2008, 11:47 PM
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The 2nd Gen enthusiasts at www.nastyz28.com (http://www.nastyz28.com) have never seen evidence of any other body/frame VIN stamping.
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That's not true. I recall seeing posts about the subframe VIN on NastyZ28.com. I then looked at my subframe to see if I could find one and I did. Unless I was dreaming it. I'll take a look when I get home.
Hylton
03-17-2008, 11:53 PM
A member here had a very low mileage 70 Z that had a picture of the front sub frame with the VIN number stamped on it. The stamp was facing the outside underneath the drivers door. I looked on mine (not very carefully mind you) and could not find any stamp on the front subframe.
Hylton
03-18-2008, 12:04 AM
It was Kenny Pascoe's 3500 mile Z that I saw the VIN stamped on the front subframe.
wundercluck
03-18-2008, 04:40 AM
Isn't that the low mile Z in the for sale section that's on ebay right now?
Hylton
03-18-2008, 06:55 AM
Ya that's the one. No sale at $106K! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Chev...tem180223073360 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-4-speed_W0QQitemZ180223073360QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m180223073360)
iluv69s
03-18-2008, 07:06 AM
That's interesting...You learn something new everyday...I will check my subframe tomorrow for a VIN on the subframe...anyone got a pic. where it might be exactly??? I just finally located the VIN on the block after owning this car for maybe 20 years or so....
Hylton
03-18-2008, 07:11 AM
PM K Pascoe (member here). He may still have the picture of the VIN stamped on the front subframe.
Tracker1
03-18-2008, 08:46 PM
Well I have found something in that area of the sub-frame:
3 470N2
but my VIN ends in 571940
anybody got pics of their numbers in thsi area? is this actually a VIN area. I have PM'd K pascoe - hopefully he will provide insight...
Hylton
03-18-2008, 08:50 PM
GTO DON may have pics as well.
CamarosRus
03-19-2008, 12:04 AM
The first picture below shows the DATE of mfg, plant location & shift on 70 Camaro subframe.
2nd and third pics show Jack Seymours Unrestored, Unmolested, Original 70 Z-28 hidden VIN stamping.
LOOK on inside firewall area with Blower Motor removed
Links are only two of MANY at www.nastyz28.com. (http://www.nastyz28.com.) If you were too search (VIN number stamp or sub frame VIN) at the most informative 2nd gen Camaro web site, you could read volumn's on this subject
In conclusion there are NO other complete VIN numbers stamped on body or frame other than under fan plenum on firewall.
If you have evidence showing otherwise, the 2nd Gen LEGENDS judges at the American Camaro Assoc "Camaros at Carlisle" this June 20-22, would welcome the education!!!!!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Camaro%201970%20Resto%20Details/FrameMfgDate.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Camaro%201970%20Resto%20Details/269567745.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Camaro%201970%20Resto%20Details/FirewallVin.jpg
http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21625&page=2&highlight=frame+date
http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47145&highlight=frame+vin
Tracker1
03-19-2008, 12:33 AM
THANK YOU CamarosRus
Hylton
03-19-2008, 12:37 AM
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In conclusion there are NO other complete VIN numbers stamped on body or frame other than under fan plenum on firewall.
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I can only speak for my car when I say the partial VIN was stamped in two different places on the firewall.
DarrenX33
03-19-2008, 03:54 AM
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The 2nd Gen enthusiasts at www.nastyz28.com (http://www.nastyz28.com) have never seen evidence of any other body/frame VIN stamping.
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That's not true. I recall seeing posts about the subframe VIN on NastyZ28.com. I then looked at my subframe to see if I could find one and I did. Unless I was dreaming it. I'll take a look when I get home.
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Chuck you are 100% correct. That was the picture and thread I was thinking of. My apologies.. Here is mine somewhat faint at the beginning of the stamp.
3 - March
10 - Day
70 - Year
N - Are we certain that's Norwood? My car is LA...
2 - Shift
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/dagcostello/IMG_1986.jpg
BARN FIND
03-19-2008, 05:15 AM
If the "N" stands for Norwood, what does "S" stand for? I have a 1970 Firebird subframe with a S instead of N on it.
CamarosRus
03-19-2008, 05:20 AM
Was not the 70 Firebird, built either at Norwood,OH or VanNuys(LA), CA ???????
Maybe you can ask at the Performance Years Pontiac web site (???)
Camaro frames should only have the (N)orwood or (L) Los Angeles designation...........
67BelAir427
03-19-2008, 05:22 AM
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BARN FIND
03-19-2008, 05:31 AM
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Was not the 70 Firebird, built either at Norwood,OH or VanNuys(LA), CA ???????
Maybe you can ask at the Performance Years Pontiac web site (???)
Camaro frames should only have the (N)orwood or (L) Los Angeles designation...........
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I guess my point is that Camaros and Firebirds WERE built on the same line so I don't think the "N" stands for Norwood. I think I will run over to my other garage and look at my 72 and 74 Camaros and see what they have on them if anything. They are both Norwood cars.
DarrenX33
03-19-2008, 05:37 AM
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Was not the 70 Firebird, built either at Norwood,OH or VanNuys(LA), CA ???????
Maybe you can ask at the Performance Years Pontiac web site (???)
Camaro frames should only have the (N)orwood or (L) Los Angeles designation...........
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I guess my point is that Camaros and Firebirds WERE built on the same line so I don't think the "N" stands for Norwood. I think I will run over to my other garage and look at my 72 and 74 Camaros and see what they have on them if anything. They are both Norwood cars.
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I don't think the N is Norwood. Lets review the rear axle tube. Last two digits are G with either 1 or 2. G meaning gear and axle plant... 1 and 2 meaning shift.. N on the sub must have some other meaning that we have yet to uncover.. Is there an LA car out there with L on the code?
Hotrodpaul where are you??
COPO 70 RS/Z28
03-19-2008, 05:43 AM
Darren,
Ill check mine this weekend and see if I have a stamp. My car is also a Van Nuys car.
Ill post what I find
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DarrenX33
03-19-2008, 05:50 AM
Where you at? I'll come over.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Les Quam
03-19-2008, 05:55 AM
The educational information that gets posted on this sight never ceases to amaze me.
DarrenX33
03-19-2008, 05:57 AM
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The educational information that gets posted on this sight never ceases to amaze me.
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I agree, I also like that we are expanding into the 2nd gen cars more. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif
BARN FIND
03-19-2008, 05:59 AM
OK, I am at my other garage and the Firebird sub has 32470S2 on it, the 72 and 74 have nothing on them at all that I can see. So is this a 70 only thing?
I think the single letter notation in the date code you guys are talking about,denotes the steel plant manufacturers name.
From what I have witnessed:
S stood for A.O. Smith(Sometimes found with a circle around it too.)
PON stood for Pontiac,Mi.
PPS stood for Parish Pressed Steel.
I'm not familar with the N notation as of yet,but it could mean Norwood,as they may have had a steel manufacturing plant there named that as well.
DarrenX33
03-19-2008, 06:06 AM
Rick are there any such frame stamps on Chevelles?
iluv69s
03-19-2008, 06:59 AM
I agree, I also like that we are expanding into the 2nd gen cars more. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif
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Finalllyyyyy!!! Now that these cars are reaching 100k+,hehehe... maybe they will get the respect they deserve...let's face it...what's the only thing better than a DZ302??? a DZ 302 with 48 more cubic inches !!!(an LT-1)
My original 51 k mile 70 Z will still rev. to 7500 rpm's just like a 69 Z!!!...with a little smoke and all!!!
Not to say the 69's are sweet too!!! I always say that the 67's and 68's are sweeet, but GM just tweaked the molds a little for 69...and came up with the perfect for 1969 Camaro...and then they broke the molds!!! (hence the screen name)
But, man....my 70 1/2 Camaro has really grown on me!!! That split bumper, front spoiler, and stripes... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif
My car is rather original, so I will check for the frame numbers tomorrow also!!!
thanks for all the great info.!!!
iluv69s
03-19-2008, 07:01 AM
Oh...BTW...how about more horsepower than cubic inches!!!...and 70 more HP than the DZ!!!
nuttin' wrong wit dat!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
COPO 70 RS/Z28
03-19-2008, 07:12 AM
Im 1/2 south of the wisc boarder just off 94,
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JohnZ
03-19-2008, 07:12 PM
I can't imagine any reason for an assembly plant to date-stamp any component; my Production Engineering Group supplied the G.T. Schmidt VIN derivative-stamping tooling (for the body and for the block pad and the transmission) to all Chevrolet assembly plants, but we never supplied any tooling for date-stamping. I'd guess those date stamps were applied at the subframe manufacturing source for traceability. I don't recall who made the "F"-body subframes, but most Chevrolet frames were made by Dana, A.O. Smith, Parish, and Chevrolet-Bristol Road Stamping in Flint.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Charley Lillard
03-19-2008, 08:00 PM
70 LA car with N on the Subframe http://www.yenko.net/attachments/327627-P1010004.JPG
CamarosRus
03-19-2008, 08:07 PM
Charley, May I please SEE pictures of the Camaro and its TRIM TAG so as to document the above "Norwood" mfg frame under the LA born Camaro......
Thanks, Chuck
iluv69s
03-19-2008, 09:45 PM
Well, Checked my Z frame today....sure enough...the numbers on the frame are...20370N1....I did not have my camera with me or I would have taken a pic... it seems to make sense with an 03A car...right??? thanks for the info guys....
Charley Lillard
03-20-2008, 01:45 AM
.. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/327699-P1010005.JPG
Charley Lillard
03-20-2008, 01:46 AM
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/327700-P1010007.JPG
Charley Lillard
03-20-2008, 01:48 AM
.. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/327701-P1010004.JPG
COPO 70 RS/Z28
03-20-2008, 01:51 AM
Nice
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70 Forest Green Zee
03-20-2008, 01:56 AM
Nice Charley....very nice! I love Shadow Gray and you just don't see it much on a second gen Camaro! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
DarrenX33
03-20-2008, 02:02 AM
That is really a nice car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
Jonesy
03-20-2008, 02:43 AM
Maybe N designated the metal stamping plant. All they did was date the component, nothing to do with hidden partial VIN. Just like they dated the sheetmetal with plant designation and week.
N could be - Chevrolet-Bristol Road Stamping in Flint.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
HiHorse
03-20-2008, 03:23 AM
would 1969 have numbers on frame?
70 Forest Green Zee
03-20-2008, 04:39 AM
Charley....do you own that Shadow Gray 70 Z? Damn I love that color! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif Before Darren asks!
wundercluck
03-20-2008, 04:43 AM
Here's the stamping on my '70 LA Z. 07A build date.
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/wundercluck/yenkonet/DSC01731.jpg
Jeff H
03-20-2008, 05:16 AM
So it looks like mddyyXs for month, day, year, subframe plant code, and shift? I'll look closer at my L78 car, but it has a decent coating on it for protection and I don't want to scrape anything off.
DarrenX33
03-20-2008, 05:36 AM
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Charley....do you own that Shadow Gray 70 Z? Damn I love that color! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif Before Darren asks!
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Nevermind the car. Go snap a photo of your subframe. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
Jeff H
03-20-2008, 05:44 AM
I just cleaned up my subframe in that area and found 11470S2 and my car is 01C so it sure looks like a date then frame plant and shift possibly.
DarrenX33
03-20-2008, 05:56 AM
Timewise, your code seems to match most that have posted as compared to build date of the car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
70 Forest Green Zee
03-20-2008, 06:31 AM
I checked Darren...I don't seem to have anything stamped on mine at all....unless I'm looking in the wrong place, I found nothing.
iluv69s
03-21-2008, 06:11 AM
I'll check my other car tomorrow...its in my other garage a bit further from home...its a 31 k mile original Z...I'm real curious now...so are there any other stamps like this on the body or frame??? thanks, max
Jeff H
03-21-2008, 06:25 AM
Mine was at the very rear of the subframe on the driver's side.
Hotrodpaul
03-21-2008, 08:55 AM
Here is my frame stamping,1970 LA built Z-28 03B Build date, 124870L5105XX Vin. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/Hotrodpaul86/DSCN6300.jpg
Paul
COPO 70 RS/Z28
03-24-2008, 04:37 AM
Heres my stamp It looks like 5 12 70 N ?
My car has a May 29 1970 build Van Nuys
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj121/70COPORSZ28/P3230150-1.jpg
CamarosRus
10-22-2009, 01:16 AM
I'm asking that this thread be revisited......
Once Again, another thread with NO conclusion
Needing to know (if possible)
1) Where the 2nd Gen sub frames WERE built ?
2) WHAT letters they were coded with ?
3) Did Norwood ONLY use frames from XYZ and Los Angelses only use frames from ABC.......or was it Frames from all mfg went to both Nor and Van Nuys ???
Another resto point we'll probably never know answer too....somebody other than me needs to do spreadsheet with car build date & location versus subframe date and letter code........
Oh well !!!!!!
RichSchmidt
10-22-2009, 03:38 AM
I dont know about in 1970,or Van Nuys cars,but I own 3 cars,a 73 Camaro,73 firebird,and a 74 camaro.The number on my frames appears to be a part number,I could never connect it to the VIN trim tag or date{I did change the subframe in the firebird recently}.All my cars had AC,and the hidden VIN on the firewall is near the blower motor.I recently found one more set of numbers on the firebird that do mean something,but I didnt check them on the Camaros.On the bird,I found numbers stamped at the rear of the driveahft tunnel right over the pinion yoke.The numbers are similar to the beggining of the VIN and denote my car as a 1973 Esprit.It would be hard to rebody a 1970-73 Trans Am or Formula using my body shell since these numbers while not the VIN itself do identify the model of the car.
RichSchmidt
10-22-2009, 04:00 AM
I just checked under my 74 camaro.It has numbers there,I couldnt make them out except that they begin in the number 1 as opposed to 2 like my firebird does,which seems to mean that it is a chevy.I looked at the subframe,and there was a little rust,but I could only make out 2 numbers,it looked like the number 31 was somewhere in between some other illegable numbers.the number 31 doesnt appear in the VIN or the body tag.Of course all my cars are Norwood cars with the 72 and later VIN format.I hope this helps.
CamarosRus
10-22-2009, 10:39 PM
I'm thinking ...........
1) 1st digit is Month (but need to see what was used in lieu of 10, 11, or 12)
2) 2nd/3rd digit is day of month
3) 4th/5th digit is year (i.e.70)
4) 6th stamp is letter for frame mfg plant
5) 7th stamp is shift (i.e. 1= 1st shift)
COPO 70 RS/Z28
10-23-2009, 06:25 AM
Makes sense Chuck
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