#27 ZL-1 SOLD ?????? Info/EBAY Link Please

[CamarosRus]

I received the following Email ....................

"I saw
your name attached to a ZL-1 which was
on Ebay this past weekend. It sold for
$315,000 as I recall. The car was also
owned by Reggie Jackson at one time."

Does anyone have a link or info on this (CLONE/Recreation) sale, as I'd like to read/see it.

Thanks,

[rspanther]

I seen it as a NO sale at mecum on TV sat. night for $315,000, they said the owners wanted $400,000.
David

[JChlupsa]

Chuck its on the Mecum site
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http://www.mecumauction.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=TV0C08-65511

[iluv69s]

I see prior owner is Charles Sharin...I assume that is you Chuck?? Whats the story?? Is it a clone?? or real car??

[Rixls6]

The way it's written on the Mecum link, it sounds like the car was rebodied because of someone cutting the trunk out for bigger wheelwells. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[rich p]

Would'nt this be Gary H car ?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[Stefano]

Chuck,
What did you call it when you took the VIN tag and trim tag and put it on another car? "(CLONE/Recreation)".

[ORIGLS6]

Whaddya do, collect PMs? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Your mail box is full again. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[GaryH]

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Would'nt this be Gary H car ?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

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I wish! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[rich p]

Another Gary H !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Gary Holubs Green w/blk roof Yenko Automatic car bid to 315k did this one reach the same number?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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Gary Holubs Green w/blk roof Yenko Automatic car bid to 315k did this one reach the same number?

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Is this the ex-George Aleskowitz car??

[rich p]

That was nice money plus the juice for that Yenko Camaro !

[CamarosRus]

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Chuck,
What did you call it when you took the VIN tag and trim tag and put it on another car? "(CLONE/Recreation)".

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To whom may be interested, I call it an inept, young drag racer who wanted to have his newly built 69 Camaro C/SM drag racer a titled WA state car. The race car was never going to be insured, street driven or inspected.

I was the 2nd and LAST owner of the real #27 ZL-1, having bought it from Alan Green's service mgr, Dic Tutino in or around 1975. I was the one who parted the real #27 out in 1976.

I started the new C/SM car with a untitled junk yard 69 Camaro body shell. I moved the 609965 VIN tag from the #27 Body shell to the "new" C/SM body shell. Was this legal and correct ? NO......,however it was never my intent to to build or recreated anything and fraudulently misrepresent it.

ALL the misc sheetmetal, interior, frame, etc etc from #27 ZL-1 were used on the "new" C/SM car. along with the xfered 609965 VIN tag. I sold the turnkey C/SM race car around 1981 to Alan Martin Chevrolet in Bremerton, WA. Subequently Jim Brunz, Dave Barcelon have owned the C/SM car and it remains in WA state to this day, with all those ORIGINAL #27 ZL-1 parts.

After I sold the C/SM, it was "someone" else who (once again) removed the 609965 VIN tag and along with the 609965 WASH State title sold it to "whomever" had the current "#27" created. The present day "#27" has NOT one assy part that was part of the OEM #27 with the exception of that xfered 609965 VIN tag

I am not going to let some bodies power and popularity, keep me from revealing the truth. I understand I am a unpopular "nobody" from Seattle, whose 15 minutes of fame was over 30 years ago at Seattle Int'l Raceway (or Pacific Raceway back then)..........but the truth remains .............



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/Fallnationals.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/ZL1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/ZL1b.jpg

[rich p]

Hey I have people telling me that the Vin tag on a car is worth money !!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Do not agree !!

[Kim_Howie]

Marlin, Gary at one time owned them both # 27 and the Georges old green Yenko

[Charley Lillard]

So where is the body you took the tags off of ? Does it still exist ?

[CamarosRus]

Charley, I gave the body to a man named John Carmody (sp ???) in Seattle area around 1976/77. I can not say for certain WHAT happened to that body hulk. Wish I had pictures, but don't. I do have a print pic of #27 ZL-1 as I picked up from Porlier's storage and misc pics being raced at Seattle Int'l but have never scanned into digital format.

This was body of Original #27 that had floors cut out with roll cage, back half frame installed by Thayne Porlier's Tacoma, WA race car fab shop in 1976. This unauthorized (by me) floor butchering, is what resulted in a law suit, recovery of the #27 from Porlier's impound, and the subsequent parting out.

There are many people in the Seattle area that remember the car, and some of the the facts..........including Jerry Valentine long time NHRA Tech official.

[HiHorse]

Wow, what a story
I would think the hunt is on for the real body

[370454s]

The last place I saw the body was in Rics Auto Wrecking, Circa 1987 at 125th and Aurora in Seattle. Ric also new what it was.
Mike Bond

[NovaMob03]

Many have known about this for a long time as Chuck has been honest & has shared this info before. Wonder if it was kept secret from bidders or did Mecum advised everyone & that's why it bid low. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[Charley Lillard]

At the beginning of this thread is a link to the Mecum description and they do disclose it as a rebody.

[CamarosRus]

Just want to make it clear and understood, that EVERY PIECE on current "#27" is a replacement/different/Non Original piece.........NOT just the body.......

[427.060]

They don't really say it was a rebodied car. It says that after the trunk floor was removed they found a body in the junk yard and pieced the car back together. The way I read it is they used parts off the junk yard body to repair the original body.Someone please correct me if I'm reading it wrong. The text below was copied from the Mecum site auction description.
James

Dick mentioned that this ZL-1 ran in NHRA Super Stock class, sponsored by Allan Green Chevrolet and Boeing Airplane Company until Allan Green closed in 1970. The ZL-1 ran a best of 11.08 at 127 MPH. After the 1971 season, Dick took the car to a race shop to have the rear wheel wells slightly enlarged. The shop ended up removing the entire trunk floor in error. Dick sued the race shop for damages and won. He could not race the ZL-1 in this condition, so he found another body in the junkyard and pieced the racecar back together again. During 1979-1981 the ZL-1 won best appearing car at the NHRA events. Allan put in a full roll cage and a 9” Ford axle and ran 10.40’s. Car was painted Candy Apple Red with Lemon Yellow Swoosh and Purple highlights

[camarojoe]

I agree they went out of their way to hide what it is. They boast about paperwork and documentation, and definitely don't mention the only original ZL1 part you're buying is the VIN plate. Is the trim tag from the ZL1 on it or is that fake too?

[x Baldwin Motion]

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At the beginning of this thread is a link to the Mecum description and they do disclose it as a rebody.

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"The shop ended up removing the entire trunk floor in error. Dick sued the race shop for damages and won. He could not race the ZL-1 in this condition, so he found another body in the junkyard and pieced the racecar back together again"

that is NOT the admission of a rebody. That sounds like a little repair in order to race as Chuck described. The description seems to miss the fact that there is nothing left of the ZL1 but the vin tags. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[427.060]

What about the COPO Connection documentation? Did Ed document the car?
James

[CamarosRus]

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Is the trim tag from the ZL1 on it or is that fake too?

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As I previously stated, OEM Trim Tag was left with #27 Body Hulk, I DID NOT remove. I'm certain current tag is FAKE.

I'm the one who took car to fab shop. Not just trunk floor was removed........All floor from behind front seat to rear bumper......

Most of that MECUM description is wrong and fabricated....

[CamarosRus]

Mike Bond, Glad you signed in on this, having lived here in Seattle area for many years. Did you know John C that I gave body to it. When you saw body around 1987, what do you recall of its condition..........and what story do you recall about me parting out the #27......

Thanks,

[Charley Lillard]

You are right. I guess I read it too quickly.

[BARN FIND]

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Charley, I gave the body to a man named John Carmody (sp ???) in Seattle area around 1976/77.

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There was a man by that name in Franklin Park (western PA) that owned a restaurant around that time. Same man or relation, might be worth asking?

[370454s]

When I saw the Camaro it was a Candy Apple Red, Complete Body with no subframe. Ric, the little Dude that owned the Wrecking Yard said it was a Factory Aluminum 427 Camaro with no title, No Vin and just a Shell. I thought about buying it, but at the time I was playing with Chevelles and El-Caminos go figure. It was parked inside the yard next to an old School Bus. I remember checking it out and thinking it was pretty solid and the Trim Tag was on it. Ric closed the Wrecking Yard a few years later. I would see him at Car shows and swap meets around Seattle for a couple of years. I believe he had some Camaros, saw him in a 68 Z-28 one time. He had a really nice Gold 67 Chevelle SS 396 Convertible. I believe he lived or still lives in Woodinville or Bothel. The last time I saw him he was on TV at Barrett/Jackson Scottsdale standing next to C LIL,that was last year. That is all I can remember for now. Have Fun.
Mike Bond

[GRB]

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Is the trim tag from the ZL1 on it or is that fake too?

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As I previously stated, OEM Trim Tag was left with #27 Body Hulk, I DID NOT remove. I'm certain current tag is FAKE.

I'm the one who took car to fab shop. Not just trunk floor was removed........All floor from behind front seat to rear bumper......

Most of that MECUM description is wrong and fabricated....

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If you don't mind my asking, how did the removal of this sheet metal result in a law suit? Was the shop unable to repair the damage or just uncooperative?

BTW - About 4 years ago someone who was in a position to build a real ZL1 with all the proper parts and tags offered to do just that for me. Knowing car collectors and having been a member of the Shelby American Car Club I could foresee something like this happening with a ZL1. So for that and other reasons I declined. The big money will bring the the charlatans.

[Stefano]

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Chuck,
What did you call it when you took the VIN tag and trim tag and put it on another car? "(CLONE/Recreation)".

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To whom may be interested, I call it an inept, young drag racer who wanted to have his newly built 69 Camaro C/SM drag racer a titled WA state car. The race car was never going to be insured, street driven or inspected.

I was the 2nd and LAST owner of the real #27 ZL-1, having bought it from Alan Green's service mgr, Dic Tutino in or around 1975. I was the one who parted the real #27 out in 1976.

I started the new C/SM car with a untitled junk yard 69 Camaro body shell. I moved the 609965 VIN tag from the #27 Body shell to the "new" C/SM body shell. Was this legal and correct ? NO......,however it was never my intent to to build or recreated anything and fraudulently misrepresent it.

ALL the misc sheetmetal, interior, frame, etc etc from #27 ZL-1 were used on the "new" C/SM car. along with the xfered 609965 VIN tag. I sold the turnkey C/SM race car around 1981 to Alan Martin Chevrolet in Bremerton, WA. Subequently Jim Brunz, Dave Barcelon have owned the C/SM car and it remains in WA state to this day, with all those ORIGINAL #27 ZL-1 parts.

After I sold the C/SM, it was "someone" else who (once again) removed the 609965 VIN tag and along with the 609965 WASH State title sold it to "whomever" had the current "#27" created. The present day "#27" has NOT one assy part that was part of the OEM #27 with the exception of that xfered 609965 VIN tag

I am not going to let some bodies power and popularity, keep me from revealing the truth. I understand I am a unpopular "nobody" from Seattle, whose 15 minutes of fame was over 30 years ago at Seattle Int'l Raceway (or Pacific Raceway back then)..........but the truth remains .............



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/Fallnationals.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/ZL1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/ZL1b.jpg

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Chuck,
Thanks for clearing up the issue http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Mr70]

I finally understand the story behind this camaro.
Thanks Chuck.

[BARN FIND]

Soooo... it is possible the original "real" ZL1 #27 body with the hidden VIN still exists, and the location of all the parts to go on the body is known and the VIN number is riveted on another body and the location of that body is known...I am sure I am not the only one who has thought of this, this could get interesting! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Yep... That is the way it looks... WOW http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[CamarosRus]

(Recreated) #27 ZL-1 Camaro once again surfaces at B/J Scottsdale 2019.............

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-ZL1-COPO-228095?utm_source=website&utm_medium=eblast&utm_campaign=SD19&utm_term=Docket&utm_content=172019

I've written B/J and informed them that their web site description does not represent the FACT that the ONLY ORIGINAL #27 item on the entire car is the VIN Tag.........

I'm evidently TOO STUPID to resize a 2018 photo of my old Drag Car that was built from
a Junk Yard Body and ALL the misc #27 Body Panels I saved after parting out the #27 ZL-1. This race car is still in WA state...but the #27 VIN tag is in Scottsdale,AZ at B/J 2019

[69LM1]

This line is in the description:

"This car has been rebodied."

So at least there's that.

/Rich

[70 copo]

And this:

After the 1971 season, Dick took the car to a race shop to have the rear wheel wells slightly enlarged. The shop removed the entire trunk floor in error. Dick sued the race shop for damages and won. He could not race the ZL1 in this condition, so he found another body in a junkyard and pieced the car back together again.

[CamarosRus]

Chuck Sharin bought the #27 ZL1 Drag Racer from Dick Tutino around 1975
Chuck Sharin contracted with Thayne Porlier to install a Roll Cage, Rear Wheel Tubs and Narrowed Differential with the understanding the STOCK OE Floor, Trunk be kept ala NHRA Modified Elim Rules. Porlier removed the STOCK Pass Floor & Trunk when he installed the new frame from Subframe to rear valance.
Chuck Sharin sued & won the law suit with Porlier....then parted out everything............
yada, yada, yada

[69Z28Freak]

(Recreated) #27 ZL-1 Camaro once again surfaces at B/J Scottsdale 2019.............

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-ZL1-COPO-228095?utm_source=website&utm_medium=eblast&utm_campaign=SD19&utm_term=Docket&utm_content=172019

I've written B/J and informed them that their web site description does not represent the FACT that the ONLY ORIGINAL #27 item on the entire car is the VIN Tag.........

I'm evidently TOO STUPID to resize a 2018 photo of my old Drag Car that was built from
a Junk Yard Body and ALL the misc #27 Body Panels I saved after parting out the #27 ZL-1. This race car is still in WA state...but the #27 VIN tag is in Scottsdale,AZ at B/J 2019

It will be very interesting to see what happens next week Chuck. Unfortunately some see these cars as a business and nothing more and look for these opportunities to try to make a quick buck. It is a sad part of our hobby but non the less these crimes are happening all the time especially on the rare and desirable cars. Thank god that you were able to set the story straight and prevent some other stary eyed dreamer (buyer beware) from getting fleeced. I guess that value is in the eye of the beholder and next week we will see if the the legend over shadows the truth. Either way I am glad you chimed in and gave us a glimpse of the real story of a controversial and historic car, be it was is left or what it was. I am sure that many of us will be looking on with great anticipation, and while this car may not be the most valuable 1969 ZL1 it is certainly one of the most talked about

[resto4u]

CHUCK, If the original still has the original hidden Vin#'s. I would find that car and restore it and sue to get the original dash vin# back.

[SuperNovaSS]

CHUCK, If the original still has the original hidden Vin#'s. I would find that car and restore it and sue to get the original dash vin# back.


That is dirty pool. Chuck owned both cars and he is the one who transferred the VIN from one car to the other and sold the car with the VIN attached to the next guy. Finding the shell and trying to take ownership of the both cars is as slippery as selling the reVINed car as legit. Getting the two cars back together and making things right it one thing but owning one and trying to rob the other is another story.


Jason

[x33rs]

Here's a link to the auction next Saturday night of the car in question for those interested. Looks like they gave it a prime time spot.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-ZL1-COPO-228095

[Tracker1]

#27 has been a known re-body for over a decade. Neither Mecum, nor BJ have tried to hide that. If you couldn't figure out from the Mecum description what "found another body in a junkyard and pieced the racecar back together again" means then you deserve to get fleeced. This story is not news.

[Astock]

Super Chevy Pomona, around 1997, I'm pretty sure it's the same car Reg J had Chip selling for $75k. I remember it being green, column shift. He also had a grn Copo 4sp for $25k.

[resto4u]

I was simply stating what could easily happen. That is why i would not touch that car with a 10ft pole. You have no protection from that happening. The original body should have been taken to the crusher. Any law enforcement will look at the hidden vins, who do you think is going to get the Vin tag.

[Charley Lillard]

(Recreated) #27 ZL-1 Camaro once again surfaces at B/J Scottsdale 2019.............

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-ZL1-COPO-228095?utm_source=website&utm_medium=eblast&utm_campaign=SD19&utm_term=Docket&utm_content=172019

I've written B/J and informed them that their web site description does not represent the FACT that the ONLY ORIGINAL #27 item on the entire car is the VIN Tag.........

I'm evidently TOO STUPID to resize a 2018 photo of my old Drag Car that was built from
a Junk Yard Body and ALL the misc #27 Body Panels I saved after parting out the #27 ZL-1. This race car is still in WA state...but the #27 VIN tag is in Scottsdale,AZ at B/J 2019


Chuck....Does the guy in Wa. know his race car is a ZL1 ?

[Mr70]

..and won't it still have the CON Vin on the firewall?

[CamarosRus]

1) The (current all RED) 69' Camaro race car in WA state, is long time owned
by JIM BRUNNS (sp?). I do not know and cant prove that he sold the VIN tag
out of my old C/SM 69 Drag car. Jim B changed the paint from my multi color\
C/SM race car to his current all Red. Jim B knows his car is made from many ZL1 pieces
The WA state drag car is the one I built from
the junk yard shell and ALL the other ZL1 bolt on pcs including front clip, doors
deck, sub frame and interior.

2) The #27 ZL1 shell butchered by Thayne Porlier (Tacoma,WA) was given by me
to John C (cant even remember correct spelling). I can possibly imagine that shell
was ever built into anything. It would be beyond my belief to think the original shell is
still laying around somewhere..........

3) IF somebody reading wants to post the 69 Camaro RED drag car as it exists today
(with VIN TAG missing/empty hole) send me an email so I can send you the pictures you can resize to fit this sites mediocre software.

[resto4u]

Chuck, just to clarify. We are talking about three different cars. You had the original #27 ZL1 that got hacked up, and the VIN# was then transfered to the junkyard shell for your drag car that is or was owned by brunns. Then some how the #27 VIN# was removed from the brunns camaro and is now on the BJ #27 ZL1. So the #27 VIN# has been on three different camaro bodies. And you are not sure if the original shell still exists. Does this sound correct? This is very important information if someone wants to see if the original body still exists. Thank you chuck!

[CamarosRus]

resto4u, Your above post is correct....The #27 ZL1 tag has been attached to THREE 69 Camaro Body shells.

I respectfully ask why you cant/wont/dont at least use your first name in your postings.
Have I ever met you ??? If we do ever meet shall I call you Resto4U or Sir ???

Regards, Chuck Sharin Auburn, WA

[cook_dw]

Photos Chuck asked for help posting.

pics attached are of

1)69 Camaro Race Car taken in 2018
at Bremerton, WA dragstrip (with Chuck Sharin)

2) Same Car (different powertrain)) circa 78-82 when Chuck built
C/SM drag car

3) Chuck driving #27 ZL-1 as bought from Dick Tutino around 1975







Note that the trim tag on the engine photo from the 80's is a LOS 57-57 tag 712 interior and also appears to be a Muncie 4 speed car.

[resto4u]

Chuck, i have never seen a 305 ci used for drag racing.

[CamarosRus]

Well.....The #27 VIN tag just sold for $210,000................

and the beat goes on !!!!!!!!!!!!

[NWYENKO]

Rumor around Bremerton Raceay in the early ninety’s was that the trim tag sold for $25K

[DW31S]

* "Oh what a web we weave".....
* Thank you Chuck for all the honest info....."honesty IS and ALWAYS has been the
best policy. The B-J wording does say rebody with/and "Non OEM" trim tag.
* 305 CI back then was a combo built for C/SM for Weight vs. CID. Likely a big bore,
short stroke high-revving "screamer"; NOT the same 305 used in current Stock
Eliminator.

[CamarosRus]

DW31S, You are correct as my "305" was 3" Stroke x 4.030 Bore built by the
very well known Bobby Warren from North Carolina. The engine had Lee Shepard Heads
and all the usual good parts.........I now believe Bobby knowing that I was a "nobody" class racer from Seattle with minimal experience.....he built the engine safe to last and
not as fast as it could have been.....

NWYenko aka Jim, Did you know I sold the turn key C/SM 69' Multi Colored racer (with #27 VIN Tag) to Allen Martin Chevrolet in Bremerton, WA for $8500.....I'm thinking Dave Barcelon had it next and then maybe Jim Brunns ?????????

[7TL34]

Chuck, question I've always meant to ask is what happened to the #27 born with engine & drive train? - Dale

[RichSchmidt]

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/636650191640161/

Could this be the remains of the body shell. All I can tell is there is red paint inside the A-pillar and the rear of the car is black. There is no way to identify if for sure

[BCreekDave]

and just like that its gone....

[CamarosRus]

Rich S, I can not possibly believe that the original #27 Body Shell (with NO Floor/Trunk Panels) would still exist all these years later............

I sold the #27 engine to the owner of Ben's Truck Parts (Seattle Company)
I heard that the FOSTER BROS (Machine Shop Operators) had it later ????

Sold the Chrysler/Liberty 4 speed and DANA 60 Diff to ??????????

[RichSchmidt]

Rich S, I can not possibly believe that the original #27 Body Shell (with NO Floor/Trunk Panels) would still exist all these years later............

I sold the #27 engine to the owner of Ben's Truck Parts (Seattle Company)
I heard that the FOSTER BROS (Machine Shop Operators) had it later ????

Sold the Chrysler/Liberty 4 speed and DANA 60 Diff to ??????????

The car in the ad is even more cut up than you describe. It is really just the roof,quarters,tail panel and rockers mounted on a tube chassis. The entire firewall and floor are gone and replaced with tin. The only clue might be the date codes on the few remaining pieces of metal.