zl1 aluminum heads,fresh 074s [Archive]

427king

06-29-2008, 12:24 AM

I always prefer to make personal issues private. However i feel the need here to make a post. While the intent of this added post is to create the appearance that unported heads were what was asked for,and not received,and no refund given. The fact of the matter is that closeup photos were emailed[receipt retained] clearly taken for the reason to show there was some porting and it was CLEARLY shown,due to your statement of saying if they were unported youd take them I wanted you to see them first before sending money. Followed up by a PM that "Chuck,pics look great" [receipt retained],and then a refund requested over 3 weeks later due to the heads being "ported". At which juncture,even though the heads were as shown in the photos a "better,comletely unported set" offered as replacement[or full money back if it couldnt be finalized as being in stock within 2,3 days as stated] was denied,it certainly would lead me to believe that either buyer remorse,bad economy,or a cheaper,better set was found and wiggle room was needed to return these and subsequently using friendships to strongarm me,requesting i be banned and not be allowed to tell this side of the story, is truly a shame. In any other circumsatnce,2 sides of a story are always welcomed,and discussions between the two parties INVOLVED preferred to a lynch mob ,for some reason one side was all that was needed. I am more than certain i did the right thing in offering a better set or a full refund,and would be happy with that had i been the buyer in the same circumstance. I always welcome to open dialogue[my email and phone are always open],at the same time i also expect the right to share my side.

sYc

06-29-2008, 01:18 AM

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... I am more than certain i did the right thing in offering a better set or a full refund,and would be happy with that had i been the buyer in the same circumstance....

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So what is the problem? Since the heads were of no use to Pete (ported), simply refund his money. That's all he asked for, no more, no less.

shor

06-29-2008, 02:15 AM

<font color="red">074s not your avreage set,these are mint </font>
mint: webster
adjective
new or in its original condition, as if freshly minted a postage stamp in mint condition

<font color="blue"> King,
Those 074's have any porting on them any where????? If not, I'll take them!
Peter
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Looks like a misleading add. I take it theses heads are NOT mint as stated. Everyone knows pete races stock and can not have any porting. He even said so.
Sounds like a refund is in order.
Why does he have to accept another set of heads from you?
are these the heads he should have received in the first place? Maybe,now, he does not want to deal with you any more?

TDW

06-29-2008, 02:51 AM

full money back if it couldnt be finalized

This part of Chucks post says he offered a refund. Unless I am reading it wrong. I would give Pete a full refund if it was me.

427king

06-29-2008, 03:37 AM

Tom, Id certainly have no problem sending a refund upon return of the heads. I just want you to post unequivicaly that you received the info [pics emails]and are aware that Pete was told they were ported 5/8/08 via phone ,sent pics of the porting 5/9/08 email ,acknowledged that "Chuck,the pics look good, ill take them " of those areas 5/11/08 PM ,and then had the heads for over 3 1/2 weeks before contacting me [via phone]and refused a replacement upgrade. Up to now you keep posting the quote "ill take them if they arent ported" in refernce as final to the agreement between buyer and seller as if you arent aware of the info above i sent to a moderator.

sYc

06-29-2008, 04:02 AM

Chuck;
A. I have seen pictures of the heads you sent the moderator, with only one shot of the exhaust ports(s), which did not show much, yea or nea. The exhaust ports were the area of concern.
B. Pete did not have the heads for 3 1/2 weeks. They were sent to a friend in RI, who delievered them to Pete June 20 at the Fast race in Michigan. Upon inspection by himself and other "Factory Stock" racers", he told the guy to please return them to you, as they would be of no use to him.
C. according to Pete, you refused to offer a refund, nor other heads, you said you do not refund money and that you did not have a replacement set at that time, as these heads are hard to come by.
D. besides the porting, I believe the heads had larger valves/sets insatlled, which rules out "mint/virgin".

IMHO, you did not lie to Pete, but used the all too familiar Ebay tactic of wording things where one assumes things that are not so. Yes, we Pete should have asked more questions, and been more specific, but he thought he could trust another sYc member. From what I am hearing, he is not the first to fall victim to this type of creative wording.

427king

06-29-2008, 04:19 AM

Offering a replacement or purchase price refund was never off the table at any point for the record,it was always a matter of which remedy,not no remedy.Period . I just wanted to be clear that you had all the facts straight . And now as i stated upon receiving heads in same condition a refund of 2900.00 purchase price will be issued as long as it is done in a timely fashion.

sYc

06-29-2008, 04:34 AM

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.... And now as i stated upon receiving heads in same condition a refund of 2900.00 purchase price will be issued as long as it is done in a timely fashion.

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Cool...

COPO PETE

06-30-2008, 04:34 PM

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I always prefer to make personal issues private. However i feel the need here to make a post.

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Chuck, I did everything possible to keep this thing private. I tried phone calls and e-mails. I did tell one of the moderators off line I was having some issues with your heads because I wanted to avoid this.
First off, I made it clear from my first post "zero porting". I should'nt even need pix. I felt your word would be the enough.If you had mentioned porting, the conversation would have been over.
You shipped the heads in the States, and you knew I would'nt be recieving them for weeks.
I'm not having buyers remorse! I did not find a better set!
I just did not recieve what was promised and advertised.
You "no money back" policy sux!
All you had to do was agree to send the money back, and this would have been over.
Peter

427king

07-09-2008, 09:19 PM

Heads received today. Pictures show a complete lack of respect for someones property. Heads are freewheeling in boxes and float 8 inches in every direction. I have not opened these yet.I dont know what condition they are in,you will need to take this up with whoever in RI shipped these,I can video tape the boxes being opened or refuse them from ups and have your shipper inspect them and resubmit them if they are in the same condition as received as clearly stated in my response above. Ive been without these heads for 5 weeks and get them sent back with 2 pieces of tape holding them together and no packaging inside. I will wait a response as to what your shipper wants to do about this complete negligence for a 3000.00 set of heads.The extra set of guide plates i sent along are all in the box banging around,a complete disregard for my property. This is disgusting.

427king

07-09-2008, 09:21 PM

427king

07-09-2008, 09:24 PM

70Z28RS5151

07-10-2008, 12:08 AM

"a complete disregard for my property. This is disgusting."

I agree Chuck. I hope they are in the same condition as when they left your hands.

ttt
How much for a nice stock set of 840 heads? Dates really don't matter, as long as they're a matched set. I missed out on a rebuilt set of 840's that sold on ebay for $980.00.
My proxy bid was low by a few bucks. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif I was out wake boarding. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

COPO PETE

07-10-2008, 01:05 AM

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gifChuck. Those heads are boxed in "thee" same boxes you shipped them in, with the same stuffing you put in the box. If your offer to meet the shipper half way in travel, you can unbox them in front of him. I't 45 minutes for both of you. He's looking forward to it.
Peter
How did I know this was going to end badly??! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

chuck lombardi

07-10-2008, 02:58 AM

As the recipient of these heads, I have some thoughts on the subject.

1. The boxes used to return items to the seller are the original boxes he used to ship to me.
2. In my experience, shipping companies ie. UPS, DHL, Fedex, etc... are seldom gentile. Whether a package is "fragile" or not.
3. Any lack of "respectful" treatment for these items was NOT from me.

On a similar subject:
I recently sold a set of NOS 1964 Hemi K code heads $$$$ on Moparts.
When I shipped the set to the buyer in Little Canada, Minnesota, I did not use a cardboard sleeping bag box.

GenOne

07-10-2008, 03:31 AM

I read Chucks concern as not the box itself but the way the heads were packaged within the box - "Heads are freewheeling in boxes and float 8 inches in every direction","The extra set of guide plates i sent along are all in the box banging around"

427king

07-10-2008, 04:12 AM

Ive shipped parts for 26 years,no aluminum head or 20.00 part for that matter has EVER left here freewheeling 6 inches or better in all directions with absoluetly no regard for the contents.You stated on the phone today that "lets cut to the chase we are both car guys,these heads dont break" ,so why were you so concerned about your mopar heads packaging and not MY aluminum heads???Probably because you had no financial interest in them??Any story,blame, excuse or outside opinion on this doesnt warrant the way i received these heads.After my conversation with you today Chuck it was evident you werent happy being the middle man dragging these hgeads to Michigan after you received them,and then told to bring them back and then sending them back again here ,and the packaging shows that. All the contents tossed about with guide plates all clanging inside and im sure no interior packaging around thye heads just probably on the bottom[yes they were boxed within the box when sent and the heads were tight. .You also stated one box was bent in half when you received it,for one thing its funny that you remembered that now ,but didnt see a need to change the box before returning it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Ill video tape the opening of the boxes,ive learned one thing from this post .Document EVERYTHING

chuck lombardi

07-10-2008, 06:25 AM

Chuck,
I can understand your frustration with this item sale. I assume that you have a good reputation as a supplier of these types of parts.
The haziness of what constitutes "stock" and/or "unported" caused these events. It seems you are misdirecting that frustration with a packaging issue.

It is very simple: http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif
IF the heads were what the buyer was expecting,
THEN we would go on with our lives never knowing each other existed.
You weren't concerned enough to figure out how to ship a heavy object properly. So now it is my responsibility? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
I never tire of doing favors for friends. Although you are right about "dragging" the heads back and forth. It was very inconvient finding a spot for them in a 48 foot trailer and the extra diesel we consumed added weight might raise the planets temperature.
Do you see what I am getting at here?
This is a joke.
People are dying of disease, famine, war and I have wasted enough time on this.

I am not into keyboard muscles.
If you have a problem with how the packaging looks, meet me in Old Saybrook and I will video tape you while you video tape the box opening. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Or call me on the phone. You have the number.

SuperNovaSS

07-10-2008, 06:51 AM

I sold Chuck(427King) an air cleaner years back. He did not think it was as I described it and sent it back. He found a new box for the air cleaner and it came back to me packed much better that I had packed it. I thought I had it packed pretty darn well. Chuck took the extra effort to make sure I got the air cleaner back as delivered. Just my experience.

Jason

MosportGreen66

07-10-2008, 04:49 PM

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I sold Chuck(427King) an air cleaner years back. He did not think it was as I described it and sent it back. He found a new box for the air cleaner and it came back to me packed much better that I had packed it. I thought I had it packed pretty darn well. Chuck took the extra effort to make sure I got the air cleaner back as delivered. Just my experience.

Jason

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Jason - you return parts for the big players but you forget all about the small guy? You screwed my brother over so damn bad with a Hurst shifter boot. The thing went for top dollar and you wouldn't even entertain a refund, not even if he ate the money to ship it back. My brother is a member here, paid at that, and even if we thought the description did not match the item it did not seem to matter...

I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, especially since I'm sticking my neck out, but let these guys settle their issues privately. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif Like Chuck (427king) said, enough of the outside commentary.

-Dan

firstgenaddict

07-10-2008, 04:51 PM

I bought a set of heads from him and they were exactly as described and very well packaged. I couldn't have been happier and would not hesitate to buy anything he has advertised. I recommend him as a source for quality original/NOS parts to anyone looking for something hard to find.

MosportGreen66

07-10-2008, 05:01 PM

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I bought a set of heads from him and they were exactly as described and very well packaged. I couldn't have been happier and would not hesitate to buy anything he has advertised. I recommend him as a source for quality original/NOS parts to anyone looking for something hard to find.

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I don't know if you're talking about Jason or Chuck, but I have bought from both in the past with ease, which is why something as trivial as a shifter boot threw us for a loop. I am not bad mouthing him for not having top notch parts, thats most certainly not the case! His discounts for members are awesome too! I was just shocked he would not take care of his own, thats all.

firstgenaddict

07-10-2008, 05:56 PM

Bought the heads from Chuck...

SuperNovaSS

07-10-2008, 08:33 PM

Dan,

I remember the shifter boot. Your brother was upset that he would have to drill new holes to get the boot to fit in his Nova. Of course he would, it was a Hurst Super Boot, not a stock replacement. If I told hom it would fit in the car without modification that would be a different story. I cannot take back every part someone want to sent back becuase they thought it would fit their car. Sorry to take the thread off topic.

Jason

CJP_69

07-10-2008, 08:56 PM

Hey Chuckie
It's about time you showed up. Yank the wheels on that Poncho http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

Belair62

07-14-2008, 09:33 AM

So how did this end ??? Pete did you get your money back ? whats going on ? Been away a while with the kiddies.

COPO PETE

07-14-2008, 04:34 PM

Still waiting the hear the results of the full length feature film! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Peter

kwhizz

07-14-2008, 09:07 PM

074s not your avreage set,these are mint
mint: webster
adjective
new or in its original condition, as if freshly minted a postage stamp in mint condition

King,
Those 074's have any porting on them any where????? If not, I'll take them!
Peter

Looks like a misleading add. I take it theses heads are NOT mint as stated. Everyone knows pete races stock and can not have any porting. He even said so.
Sounds like a refund is in order.

I myself think Chuck should be the one to go out of his way to resolve this issue and return Pete's Money....

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

kwhizz

07-17-2008, 05:25 AM

Any Resolution??..........As long as it became "Public" here.......I think "Interested" observers would like to know the outcome........... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

kwhizz

07-19-2008, 02:11 AM

Somebody's "Credibility" is going away....... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

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Xplantdad

07-19-2008, 04:03 AM

Interesting...

Zedder

07-19-2008, 05:13 AM

Going...or gone http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

kwhizz

07-19-2008, 08:15 AM

Pete paid for a set of Heads in Good Faith as they were represented as Virgin Heads...(They Weren't)......Sent them back....He now has "Nothing"......Chuck has both the Heads "And" the Money........With a so called Packaging Issue as reason for not refunding Pete's money....
First of all.....I have never met Pete or Chuck so I have no dog in this Fight......But.......If I were Pete I would really be Pissed at this point.......If Chuck would have represented these Heads Correctly, I'm sure there would have been no "Issues" ....."And"...I'm sure Chuck knows the Difference between Ported and unported Heads.....So....Either he didn't look at them close enough to see that they were Ported....."Or"??????????
Either way.....Chuck is where this problem "Started"......"And" if he cares about his reputation and fellow "Car" guy's, this should never have gone this far or taken this long........Obviously......Chuck is just in it for the "Money"..........Too Bad.......
Again.......Just my $.02 and a situation I'm very sorry to see on this site........

Ken

427king

07-19-2008, 09:15 AM

Id say if everything you posted above is true and correct as you know it to be first hand,your fine. If its not,litigation just may be in your immediate future.

Charley Lillard

07-19-2008, 07:35 PM

People that aren't directly involved in this transaction need to refrain from posting when they don't know the facts. Pete has asked for his money and Chuck has said in a PM to Pete he has sent it.

kwhizz

07-19-2008, 07:46 PM

Spank"....."Spank".........I'm Sorry........LOL

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92646

07-19-2008, 11:08 PM

Out of respect for Pete I did not want to appear to hi-jack this post. Ken you have my respect for asking the questions. If litigation from Chuck does come your way, you are welcome to my records of my experience with Chuck if that helps. I gave him the benefit of the doubt thinking that I ended up with an expensive misunderstanding and it was a lesson learned. After reading this whole post I now wonder.
Mark Sheppard

427king

07-19-2008, 11:38 PM

Mark, You should have mentioned you had an issue when you requested the pics of my 69 camaro 6 weeks or so ago on the phone.

92646

07-20-2008, 12:12 AM

Chuck you validated my point. I do not remember the request but I think this post is less than 6 weeks old. Like I said I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I took the last transaction as a very expensive misunderstanding and a lesson learned. Ken only asked a question and offered his view point on a thread that you started. To bring up litigation for that is just not right in my opinion.
Mark Sheppard

427king

07-20-2008, 12:34 AM

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I do not remember the request but I think this post is less than 6 weeks old

[/ QUOTE ] Well since you brought up our dealing,that was a year ago.So six weeks ago you were "happy" enough to ask me for pictures of my 69 camaro.???? I still dont have a clue what your problem was with it other than assuming since i made out better you hold a grudge.Send me a PM so we both know what you are talking about. After all,if you want to pile on,at least admit you too never said a word to me about anything prior and a year has passed, So why decide today to say something. I never complained about getting Z28 pullies that you owed me, when you said they were L78s [about a 400.00 loss for me]and i waited a month for them . That stuff happens,yes i know. But when i do it,the assumption is I knew better and did it on purpose. But when someone else does it,they can say they didnt know the difference and all is well.I never would have mentioned it here if you didnt make your post today. Maybe I should look back at that a year later and say "I should have known"? Lets face it,the minute i sold the Elky for more than you were able to,you were upset.The reason you didnt say anything is you knew YOU were the one that wanted to trade,i only agreed.The only "lesson learned" is maybe you should not blame others for your decisions.

kwhizz

07-20-2008, 12:53 AM

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Id say if everything you posted above is true and correct as you know it to be first hand,your fine. If its not,litigation just may be in your immediate future.

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For What.........Logically looking at the Facts as presented here.......I'm scared.......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Musclecarkid

07-20-2008, 01:38 AM

kwhizz, You really should mind your own business.

kwhizz

07-20-2008, 01:56 AM

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kwhizz, You really should mind your own business.

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You're right...........I'm Done http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

92646

07-20-2008, 01:57 AM

Pete I am sorry but I never intended this post to be about my problems with Chuck in the past. But I need to respond and then hopefully this can go to bed. Chuck, I never called. I would have e-mailed you instead. I am not sure if I even have your phone number any more. The bottom line is that I am past all this and I would not have cared if you sold it for one million dollars. But you told me that you were going to restore the el camino with your son. Instead you sell the rolling shell with the bare block and trans case and you keep all the other L-78 specific parts because you can make more money by parting the car out. Every time I see a Jan.1969 to May 1969 COPO or L-78 part for sale from you I wonder if it came from this car. You can say all you want but I know what was said to me, I believed it and I was deceived. As far as the pulleys go that is what came off of the car. I have no other factory deep groove pulleys in my garage. Now if you want we can go into what was said to me on the condition of the Nova versus what I received on another thread.

Bill Rose

07-20-2008, 04:24 AM

I'd decided not to get involved with this thread, until I came in and read this. I'm not going to go into the purchase, and problems that were involved with my getting the ElCamino into my garage, and getting the title in my name, but I will say this. Mark Sheppard is one of the most upstanding guys I know, and I've known him for many years. Mark's credibility is second to none. I did buy the car from Chuck, knowing most of the original parts were gone, but also knowing I had the resources, and determination, to but the car back to it's original condition, when it was new. It's just a shame, as far as I'm concerned, to part out an original unrestored 69 L-78 ElCamino, just to make a few bucks.

427king

07-20-2008, 05:45 AM

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It's just a shame, as far as I'm concerned, to part out an original unrestored 69 L-78 ElCamino, just to make a few bucks.

[/ QUOTE ] Bill did you ever feel compelled to pay for the extra parts and keep the car intact?? You were offered it bare bones and cheap,or complete with all parts,and you chose cheap. Again, my fault.

Bill Rose

07-20-2008, 07:21 AM

You asked, so I'll answer your question. No, buying your overpriced parts was never an option, and still isn't today. How was I to know I would be getting the original parts anyway? You could, and probably did, stick the original parts on a shelf with 100's of other parts, and how would I know what I'd be getting? I can, and did buy parts from a lots of guys. Some good friends even gave me parts.

After the disaster, trying to pick the car up, not even getting a key, trying to drag the car into the trailer with no way to steer it, and the fact that you couldn't even put air in the flat tires, I'd had about enough at that point. Just sell off the rest of the parts Mark sent with the car, and thats the end of it. I hope it was worth it for you. I'll be just fine. The car is well on it's way to completion, and I'm sure it will be everything it was back in 1969.