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Seattle Sam
06-03-2008, 06:58 PM
GM is closing two truck plants in the US - Janesville, WI and Moraine, OH at a cost of over 5,000 jobs.

Main story - http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN0334749120080603

Janesville story - http://www.madison.com/tct/news/289485

Moraine story - http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080603/BIZ01/306030038

Hylton
06-03-2008, 07:09 PM
Oshawa story - http://wheels.ca/reviews/article/252660

Hylton
06-03-2008, 09:36 PM
I wonder where the jobs are going?

http://www.thestar.com/article/432832

Motorcitybadboy
06-03-2008, 10:08 PM
I work for GM Powertrain, and I know that we will be absorbing some of the laid off workers from the truck plants. I also know that the Orion Township plant here in Michigan where they build the Pontiac G6 and the Malibu is adding a third shift and will be absorbing laid off workers as well.

MosportGreen66
06-04-2008, 06:51 PM
From today's Journal....

-Dan

GM Shifts Its Strategy Into Reverse
Company Plans to Shut Four Plants
As Truck Demand Falls; Hummer for Sale?
By JOHN D. STOLL
June 4, 2008; Page B1

Wilmington, Del.

After three years of restructuring and tens of billions of dollars in losses, General Motors Corp. shifted direction once again Tuesday, unveiling plans to close four truck plants and possibly sell its Hummer brand.


Associated Press
GM shareholder and Buick car salesman James Dollinger, right, points toward CEO Rick Wagoner, left, during the GM shareholders meeting Tuesday.
The moves were forced on GM by soaring gasoline prices, which are prompting more consumers to opt for more fuel-efficient vehicles. The struggling auto maker must now try to rapidly reduce its dependence in North American truck sales, once seen as the key to its turnaround.

The abrupt shift, outlined at GM's annual meeting, is an acknowledgment that Chairman and Chief Executive Rick Wagoner miscalculated in 2005 when he bet big on trucks. That plan, based on expectations of steady vehicle sales and gas prices in the U.S. through 2008, won the backing of GM's board and helped Mr. Wagoner prevail in a 2006 boardroom battle with then-shareholder Kirk Kerkorian.

But like many in the auto industry, Mr. Wagoner didn't anticipate a rise in gas prices to $4 a gallon, nor did he see the slump in the U.S. economy brought on in part by the housing crisis. Both factors have damped vehicle sales and caused consumers to shift away from trucks to cars.

This rising consumer focus on fuel efficiency is shifting the competitive landscape in the U.S. auto industry. GM, which dominated the U.S. market for decades, is now in a neck-and-neck race with Toyota Motor Corp. Hurt by declining truck sales, GM in May saw its U.S. market share fall to a new low of 19.2% -- just a nose ahead of Toyota's.

PLANT CLOSURES


Oshawa Truck Assembly in Canada, which builds the Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra, will likely cease production in 2009, GM said.
Moraine, Ohio, which builds the Chevy TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy and Saab 9-7x, will end production at the end of the 2010 model run, or sooner.
Janesville, Wis., will cease production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and of the Tahoe, Suburban and Yukon in 2010, or sooner.
Chevrolet Kodiak medium-duty truck production will also end in Toluca, Mexico, by the end of this year.
• Map: North American Auto PlantsGM's decision to scale back truck production means that losses are likely to continue for at least another two years, and possibly longer -- prolonging one of the worst stretches of corporate losses in history. Between 2004 and 2007, GM lost more than $55 billion, and in this year's first quarter, it reported a loss of $3.25 billion.

Mr. Wagoner outlined the plan before a group of about 80 shareholders gathered Tuesday in Wilmington for the annual meeting. He told them that his turnaround strategy for the U.S. has "made significant progress on all fronts." Fixed costs have fallen significantly, sales are rising in emerging markets, and GM is pushing to produce a new plug-in vehicle by 2010, he said.

Mr. Wagoner took over as chief executive in 2000. His track record has been rocky. GM's stock, which closed Tuesday at $17.58 in 4 p.m. composite New York Stock Exchange trading, is now near a 26-year low. GM's market share in May was about one-third lower than it was when he took over. Its market valuation now stands at $9.87 billion -- less than one-quarter of what it was in 2000.

Some shareholders are frustrated. "You don't get a sense that the General Motors crowd really gets it," said Sister Patricia Daly, who represents the Sisters of Saint Dominic of Caldwell, N.J., a religious order that owns GM shares, in an interview on Friday. "Even in the 1990s, it was clear they weren't going to be able to sell the big SUVs for 15 years without any impact."


On Tuesday, Jim Dollinger, a small investor and auto-sales consultant, spotted George Fisher, GM's lead independent director, in the hotel where the shareholder meeting took place. He chided Mr. Fisher for what he characterized as the unwillingness of GM's management to listen to dealers and shareholders.

Mr. Fisher responded that the board would be glad to listen to Mr. Dollinger but did not like his brash approach.

In an interview last week, Mr. Fisher said the board supports Mr. Wagoner and believes the CEO is taking the necessary steps to fix the company.

Other shareholders were supportive of management on Tuesday. "GM has for a long time shown it can lead in truck designs. Now it needs to show it can do the same with car designs," said Carol Moreno, an analyst with TCW Group Inc., which owned 16 million GM shares as of March 31 and has added to the position this quarter.

As far back as 2005, when gas prices were rising past $2 a gallon, SUV sales were falling, and many in the industry were saying the SUV era was coming to an end.

Mr. Wagoner disagreed. That year, he accelerated the launch of the company's new trucks and SUVs by six months. The market for large SUVs is "stable, not shrinking," he said at one press conference.

Other auto makers, including Toyota, also thought demand for trucks would remain healthy. But GM's crosstown rival, Ford Motor Co., had a dimmer view of truck sales, and began downsizing its truck capacity.


Interactive map of auto maker plant closings.
In 2007, GM's turnaround effort was lifted by booming sales in China, Latin America and other emerging markets. The company began trying to position itself as more than just a seller of gas-guzzling trucks. It unveiled a concept for a battery-powered car, called the Chevrolet Volt, that drew praise from environmentalists. It added a sprinkling of hybrids to its lineup, including hybrid versions of its big SUVs.

But gas prices started creeping up. Sales of big SUVs, which are made from the same components as those used in full-size pickup trucks, began falling sharply. In this year's first quarter, the entire industry was on pace to sell only about 500,000 full-size SUVs for the full year -- half as many as were sold in 2003. To produce that many, the industry would need only two plants. GM alone has two plants making big SUVs.

Last month, GM announced it would slash production at four truck plants in the second half of the year. Mr. Wagoner gave up day-to-day oversight of GM's global auto operations, turning it over to Frederick "Fritz" Henderson, who was promoted from chief financial officer to chief operating officer and president.

By last month, gas prices had climbed to $4 a gallon in many parts of the country, and even some hard-core pickup buyers began defecting to smaller vehicles. As the month wore on, Messrs. Wagoner and Henderson concluded the truck market was in a "structural" or long-term decline. GM couldn't continue making trucks in six plants, they decided.

On Tuesday, Mr. Wagoner declined to forecast when GM will return to profitability.

Write to John D. Stoll at [email protected]

Salvatore
06-04-2008, 06:59 PM
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I work for GM Powertrain, and I know that we will be absorbing some of the laid off workers from the truck plants. I also know that the Orion Township plant here in Michigan where they build the Pontiac G6 and the Malibu is adding a third shift and will be absorbing laid off workers as well.

[/ QUOTE ]Well that is good to know. I hate to hear of job losses and manufacturing going down. God knows we need all the GNP we can get.

PeteLeathersac
06-04-2008, 07:19 PM
Not that it'll change anything but Local Union 222 has a hundred or so guys blocking the way to GM Oshawa's Head Office today...hope George Z. can make it through to work Ok!?.

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/hom...GM_block_080604 (http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/home/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V3&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2 f20080603%2fGM_block_080604)

~ Pete
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Hylton
06-04-2008, 07:21 PM
Oshawa has been building trucks since 1965. Very sad.

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY
06-04-2008, 07:26 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Not that it'll change anything but Local Union 222 has a hundred or so guys blocking the way to GM Oshawa's Head Office today...hope George Z. can make it through to work Ok!?.

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/hom...GM_block_080604 (http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/home/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V3&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2 f20080603%2fGM_block_080604)

~ Pete
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Why? Do people not notice when the landscape changes - corporations need to change - and so do individuals? Geez, if ya haven't seen this coming.... it's time to get a pulse!

wwchevy
06-04-2008, 07:46 PM
Typically most of the workers are high senority and will be offered buyouts and early retirement. Some remaining employees will be allowed to move to different plants, so not all of the people who work in these plants will "lose" their job. This is the result of $4.00 gas and new stricter CAFE regulations. GM will have to not build as many trucks and will build smaller cars with smaller engines to get the corporate fuel economy average to the government mandate. Look to congerss saving the environment as the cause of this. I say drill for oil in the US....and do it now!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Hylton
06-04-2008, 07:53 PM
Curious - What does GM make now that is selling like crazy?

PeteLeathersac
06-04-2008, 07:55 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Curious - What does GM make now that is selling like crazy?

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Financing!.

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~ Pete

DarrenX33
06-04-2008, 08:23 PM
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Curious - What does GM make now that is selling like crazy?

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Had they built a hybrid Cobalt.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Keith Tedford
06-04-2008, 10:28 PM
It was pointed out in an earlier post that the Orion plant is going three shifts for the G6 and Malibu. People will still be buying vehicles, just smaller, more fuel efficient ones. Plants can't switch building product as quickly as these new gas prices came upon us. I think that pretty well everyone old enough to be pensioned off is gone already. I know guys in their early fifties taking the buyout and going. Not many in a good enough financial state to leave at that age. Most still have kids in school and a mortgage. It appears that GM of Canada signed a new agreement with the CAW two weeks ago knowing full well that they had no intention of honouring it. It's going to be interesting.

Keith Tedford
06-05-2008, 02:38 AM
Just a little history of the Oshawa truck plant for those who might be interested. When I started my apprenticeship in the fall of '65, the truck plant had just opened. The trucks had been built in the old uptown West Plant for many years before that. The up town bodyshop continued to build the cabs and boxes for another year and these were trucked by van to the new truck plant for final assembly. For the '67 production year, everything was done in the new plant. The old gate line bodyshop system was used up until 1986, when the plant was gutted and setup for AGVs and robots for the GMT400 truck. We had this plant up and running by January-Fabruary 1987 with saleable 1988 trucks coming off the line. There were a lot of upgrades to the equipment over the years since, with many bodyshop changes for the GMT800 truck, but the methods have stayed more or less the same. In 1993 they went to a third shift producing something like 1335 trucks a day. The old north and west plants are gone, including the power house and twin smoke stacks. The battery plant next door was torn down a couple of years ago. Now the truck plant. There's going to be a lot of green space in Oshawa before we are done. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

budnate
06-05-2008, 07:50 PM
if they didnt destroy all the tooling, they should make the little Geo Metro again, they were cheap and good cars,

car got great milage and just went every day without hassle, I am sure if they FI'd the motor it would do even better...that would keep these people working and consumers would buy them like hotcakes, I would take a new one today.

we have 2 in the family and the guys are knocking down hi 50's mpg around town.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Chevy454
06-05-2008, 08:32 PM
I saw a clip on CNN or somewhere where the Geo Metros are commanding prices near their original sticker prices on the used car market, and there are actually folks buying them up cheap, fixing them, and reselling them for big profits. 50+ mpg...and remember the article posted here about the '69(?) 4-cylinder Nova that was getting like 40+ mpg? I'm not sure the auto manufacturers have really came that far in all these years...

Anyway, a good friend of mine had a Metro in high school & college...he drove the wheels off that thing, but the 3 cylinder sipped the gas...I remember he got a ticket one time on the way home from college, and the highway patrol said he clocked him @ like 75 down a long hill, and my friend told the guy he was thankful for the ticket as he was gonna go show it off to all his friends who thought his POS car couldn't break the speed limit! I still give him crap about that car, but I'm not so sure I wouldn't try and buy it from him if he still had it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Keith Tedford
06-05-2008, 10:00 PM
We had a '90 turbo sprint. It was also had port injection. Never an engine problem in close to 200K miles. Everyone who ever rode in the car was always surprised at the performance. 53-58 mpg (Imperial). Other than sparkplugs and an exhaust gasket, the engine never had a wrench put on it. I'd buy another one. My ego isn't that big. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Hylton
06-05-2008, 10:24 PM
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We had a '90 turbo sprint. ... I'd buy another one. My ego isn't that big. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Only a true man would admit that! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DarrenX33
06-05-2008, 11:16 PM
Im going to buy a Vespa. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

budnate
06-06-2008, 04:22 AM
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Im going to buy a Vespa. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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funny you say that, I picked up something close a few weeks ago, more later.

Chris396
06-06-2008, 09:09 AM
I've been driving a Geo Metro to work for the past 6 years or so. Paid $500 for it back then. Best $500 I ever spent.