New Hemmings Cover

[ANDY M]

Congrats to Wagonman, John Scholz, for makinging the cover this month, winning the Goodguys event in Pleasanton, CA and a shot at the Hemmings Muscle Car of the Year award.

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You can change your profile now to include your last name, John. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
BTW, his car is also in the 2009 Camaro calender.
8 pages in Hemmings even beats njsteve's hemi cover story. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[jeff-san]

congrats on a killer car!

[ChevyThunder]

Congrats John... you showing up for Car Crazy again this year or are you gonna start big timing all us little guys? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[frank261]

John: Great job on the Best of 1968 302 JL8 Camaro Converitible Muscle Car of the year award. Huffy Rail Rider
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[Bill Pritchard]

Pardon me while I play devil's advocate here...

While I am truly impressed with the beauty and level of detail on John's car (or at least as much as can be gleaned from pictures in a magazine), what statement is made by having this car in the running for Hemmings 'Muscle Car of the Year' award http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

I certainly hope someone is cooking up that Z16 vert to compete. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[The Dude]

Very nice car, and congrats on the accolades.......but how can a car that was never made be in the running for muscle car of the year? Not hating the car at all, just questioning Hemmings.

[67rscoupe]

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Very nice car, and congrats on the accolades.......but how can a car that was never made be in the running for muscle car of the year? Not hating the car at all, just questioning Hemmings.

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He proved it was "real" with his documentation.So now it's Muscle Car of The Year!

Barrett Jackson here we come! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Does it have to be a "real"car to be considered Muscle Car of The Year?

I saw it in the 2009 Camaro Calendar!

[67rscoupe]

Here is that picture.

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[budnate]

no big deal how many calendars, books, shirts over the years have we seen that have cars in/on them so far off from correct it hurts to look at them.....no different today.

[olredalert]

----That Thunderbolt wasnt all bad either!!!!!!........Bill S

[wagonman]

i would like to thank all you guys for your positive comments...

yes the car is up for muscle car of the Year!!!

Hemmings absolutley loved the car!

and yes,it is featured on the 2009 camaro calendar.

[wagonman]

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Bring It On!!!!!!!LOL that would make a nice display together.....

[wagonman]

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Pardon me while I play devil's advocate here...

While I am truly impressed with the beauty and level of detail on John's car (or at least as much as can be gleaned from pictures in a magazine), what statement is made by having this car in the running for Hemmings 'Muscle Car of the Year' award http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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the statement made is perhaps The Goodguys loved the car....

It was a unanimous decision on the judges at Pleasanton.

but thank you anyway.....

[wagonman]

I didnt have to prove the cars authenticity to be picked for Muscle Car of The Year at the Goodguys...

It's a musclecar regardless....

No BJ either......but i have had some incredible offers...

thank you......

[CC Rider]

Congrats on the cover! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[67rscoupe]

I just aquired the Aug issue of Hemmings Muscle Machines with wagonman's 1968 Z/28 convertible on the cover.I had to ask the clerk to pull it out of the back.She said it will not be on the shelf until next week.

Although i'm not to keen on the fake documentation,the car and article are very entertaining.It is a very nice 8 page spread that seems very complimenting.I was hoping to be able to read the text on the doc's in the magazines print but the picture is to small.

Being in Hemmings Muscle Machines Magazine and receiving such national recognition must increase a cars stature.

But in this case i think it would be a good idea to have a copy of the magazine around to prove it's fake heritage and lower it's possible value at any auction.

This is only my opinion.I love the car.It is probably my favorite first generation camaro excluding all the controversy it may bring.

Nice Job indeed.

[67rscoupe]

Californians have all the cars!

[frank261]

Job Well Done. John you deserve to be recogize. Some don't people don't think poor people like camaro toys to. Frank261 Huffy Rail Rider!!

[frank261]

Nice Job John> Some people can't stand it when people have nice camaros Frank261 Huffy Rail Rider

[frank261]

Wagonman: Muscle Machine magazine has hit the stands Frank261

[69SSZL1]

So now, the next Musclecar craze has been started!

[Verne_Frantz]

Cars can last forever; people can't. I wonder what will be said about that car in 100 years?

My opinion of that magazine has just been lowered. Although that article could prove to be quite an important artifact in 100 years...

Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Steve Shauger]

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My opinion of that magazine has just been lowered.

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Ditto http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

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My opinion of that magazine has just been lowered.

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Double Ditto!!!

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~ Pete

[frank261]

In my opinion of tht magazine it has been just raise. Look at this reference this subject New Hemming Cover There will be more

[67rscoupe]

Hemmings Muscle machines has a feedback forum you can write in and voice your opinion.

[69SSZL1]

Don't shoot the messenger!

[wagonman]

Hello,

and thanks for the kind words and not so kind words.

I would like to simply voice my opinion and reply to some of yours.

"Dont shoot the messenger!!!" very well put.HMM didnt build the car,i did.
In the beggining,i started out building a car that i always
wanted.Simple enough right? I love convertibles.I have always collected and restored them.I also wanted a dual carb car.So this camaro came along.Recently i found that chevy had a crossram intake.I must have lived under a rock.

Anyway,i started to build a convertible with a crossram and
learned that chevy actually made one!A million dollar plus
car in todays market.A car I shall never afford in this lifetime.

So i made my own!!! I wanted to make it as close to perfect as possible.Numbers date coded parts etc...you know the drill.I found that i can take it a step further......paperwork,pop etc....Since i would never own the original why not?

Then i found out why,after i displayed my cars doc's for the first time i got an "ear full" But what's done is done.I went to a few shows w/o displaying the paperwork.I learned how it is "tabo"to engage in such practice.Which i completely agree.Then i decided to display my Z/28 Convertible with all it's glory.With all doc's once again.But this time,openly and honestly admitting its fake.Not that i was going to try to pass it off as real before.And to let all to know this can be done.

You see,the thing is i'm the messenger.If it was me,my car,or the article that informed you of this practice then i'll consider myself successful.We now know that fake doc's,protect-o-plates etc.can and are being made...
IS IT A SURPRIZE TO YOU? surely not.

You guys are the experts right? But should this knowledge only be spread among yourselves? I dont think so.Do any of you guys have fake cars that you need to disclose? Have any of you purchased any of these fake docs your self? HMMM.....Now i can understand why you may be upset.

If anything i'm the only one to come forward with this
pratice."HEY GUESS WHAT,THIS CAR ISNT REAL!"
You should praise me.Unfortuanately some may see this and
decide to do it themselves.Ok i understand there point.But they can learn this anywhere from books or internet.Not from just my car.

Ultimately if everybody knows,such as buyers,sellers,dealers and builders,then the effectiveness of fake doc's will diminish.Making your guys happier,right?

Now,as far as Muscle car of The Year award.come on guys! where does it say it has to be a REAl car? who dug that one up? It simply has to fall within their criteria.

Also why cant this car be on the cover of Hemmings Muscle Machines? because it'fake? Have all the cover cars been real? Has every car in HMM been completely numbers matching totally original?HMM totally proves the fact that it's a counterfeit convertible....


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[Mr70]

My 3¢
I think you did a very nice job on a very well thought out car that you always wanted to own and enjoy.I would love to put that top down & drive that to any local Illinois cruise on any summer evening and enjoy it for what it is,not for what it's trying to be.
I could see how it's disappointing to some as it appears you've taken it a step further beyond the daily enjoyment line and now entered a misleading mentality.Unfortunately when you show honest people what was done,you're also teaching dishonest people what can be done,intended or not.
The muratic acid/saline solution process & Flint block syntax,along with the doctored paperwork seem to be the most talked about,up till midnight,head scratching,red flag of your entire ensemble that I see as taking the spotlight away from what the vehicle actually is and was built for.
The part where you state you won't disclose who made the documents,sounds like you might have known this was coming as well.
You say you wanted to show what could be done,and you have with great detail but personally I would stamp FAKE over the Flint pad syntax,destroy all the homemade paperwork,photograph their charred remains and display only the original unaltered few remaining documents that came with the RS convertible originally.
That would probably garnish more respect and say the same thing more subtly then the phoney docs ever did when displayed next to the vehicle.
That's a beautiful homemade car you've created..enjoy it!

[njsteve]

I believe the issue people have is that you created counterfeit documents. That is the problem. Yes, there are cars with counterfeit docs, and VIN swaps, and all sorts of shady baggage out there. But when you proudly display the fact that you have had these docs created for your car, that raises the hackles on a large percentage of people out there who place a high value on authenticity. It tarnishes an otherwise masterful piece of automotive artwork.

This reminds me of the defense that real counterfeiters try to use (unsuccessfully, I might add): "I'm just making a copy of a Van Gogh, or a $100 bill, or..."

If you put the original artist's name on the bottom, i.e., Van Gogh, then it makes it a criminal act.

If you used your own name, that's a little different. For example, if your name is Bob Smith and you put "Bob Smith" on the bottom of your "Van Gogh" then it is obvious to all, now and in the future, that it is not a counterfeit. In this case, you could have put your name as the selling dealer, salesman, buyer, etc, not actual persons and businesses, then it would be obvious to all, it was not counterfeit.

I am not saying that what you did is a crime (It applies only to specific items like currency or if you tried to pass it to a buyer representing it as real) but when you make up documents that have an original dealer instead of your own name, it turns into an avalanche down the slippery legal slope.

By the way, cudos on not changing the VIN tag. If you had, and then had your unnamed associate make up "new old paperwork" to match it, you both would have graduated into committing several federal felonies including Conspiracy, altering/removing/defacing a VIN number, mail fraud and wire fraud.

It's a beautiful car, and you've done a great job building it, but if it were me, I'd get rid of those "documents" and enjoy the car for what it is: a car you built to satisfy your own personal wishes of having a 68 302 ragtop. You should have the right to enjoy it without the headaches and rumors associated with the NOP (new old paperwork).

[Born30YrsLate]

Some may also be wound up about the fake docs because some of the original docs to real car were stolen a few years back...and to my knowledge have not resurfaced?

[Charley Lillard]

I have seen the car at a car show with all it's paperwork. You may tell a few people that come up and ask about it that it is a fake but 99% of the people walk by see the paperwork and assume it is real. On two different threads I think I suggested that you also put a sign up stating the paperwork is fake. I think my suggestion was ignored both times. That leads me to believe your motives are other than educating the public as you would like us to believe.

[1969l78]

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I believe the issue people have is that you created counterfeit documents. That is the problem. Yes, there are cars with counterfeit docs, and VIN swaps, and all sorts of shady baggage out there. But when you proudly display the fact that you have had these docs created for your car, that raises the hackles on a large percentage of people out there who place a high value on authenticity. It tarnishes an otherwise masterful piece of automotive artwork.

This reminds me of the defense that real counterfeiters try to use (unsuccessfully, I might add): "I'm just making a copy of a Van Gogh, or a $100 bill, or..."

If you put the original artist's name on the bottom, i.e., Van Gogh, then it makes it a criminal act.

If you used your own name, that's a little different. For example, if your name is Bob Smith and you put "Bob Smith" on the bottom of your "Van Gogh" then it is obvious to all, now and in the future, that it is not a counterfeit. In this case, you could have put your name as the selling dealer, salesman, buyer, etc, not actual persons and businesses, then it would be obvious to all, it was not counterfeit.

I am not saying that what you did is a crime (It applies only to specific items like currency or if you tried to pass it to a buyer representing it as real) but when you make up documents that have an original dealer instead of your own name, it turns into an avalanche down the slippery legal slope.

By the way, cudos on not changing the VIN tag. If you had, and then had your unnamed associate make up "new old paperwork" to match it, you both would have graduated into committing several federal felonies including Conspiracy, altering/removing/defacing a VIN number, mail fraud and wire fraud.

It's a beautiful car, and you've done a great job building it, but if it were me, I'd get rid of those "documents" and enjoy the car for what it is: a car you built to satisfy your own personal wishes of having a 68 302 ragtop. You should have the right to enjoy it without the headaches and rumors associated with the NOP (new old paperwork).

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Very well said

[PeteLeathersac]

What great comments...I especially like the burn the documents idea!!!

As I stated in a previous post, I have trouble understanding how if the Wagonmeister has true concerns for those who may get shaken on cars w/ similar 'pedigrees', why be so clandestine about where the fictional POP's etc were obtained?.

Yes everyone's free to do as they choose w/ their own cars but personally I can't help but wonder why any car w/ restamps and fake documents (admitted or not) keeps appearing on this of all sites?.
Also why when this car makes appearances here is anyone surprised some are opposed to it?.

Seriously, athough there's some here who are Ok w/ BS documents, tags and restamps, one of the main reasons I enjoy it here is I know of no other site where like-minded knowledgable enthusiasts have always been against the very thing threads like this seem to be condoning?.

No argument the car itself is cool and the Wagoneer may even be the greatest guy, but if in any way we're starting to accept and praise BS documents, tags and restamped cars here, that's a very slippery slope and concerning for what I understood this site has always solidly represented and stood for more than any other?.

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~ Pete

[copo69]

Jim Mattison, WE NEED THOSE CHEVROLET RECORDS,NOW!!!!
By the way, not to hijack this thread but any news on this?

[wagonman]

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I have seen the car at a car show with all it's paperwork. You may tell a few people that come up and ask about it that it is a fake but 99% of the people walk by see the paperwork and assume it is real. On two different threads I think I suggested that you also put a sign up stating the paperwork is fake. I think my suggestion was ignored both times. That leads me to believe your motives are other than educating the public as you would like us to believe.

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Charley Lillard,

I'm sorry if you thought i ignored your previous post.That was not the case.I simply chose not to reply to them in an open public forum.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.........

Thank you........

[wagonman]

I think the Hemmings Muscle Machines cover will explain it all....

ONE OF NONE....

I will display this at any future car shows.

[wagonman]

Thank you all for your compliments,emails and pm,s.

I have received plenty of emails and pm,s re:my documention.I was asked to have it and even the car itself destoyed!

I totally agree with your concern.Everybody should realize that i'm one of "you" and not "them".I am on your side when it comes to fake doc's, POP's etc...I would like to take this time and reassure you that the docs will be destroyed if and when the car leaves my possesion.I originally did it for pure novelty.To make myself a real looking car with totally pure innocence.Then i displayed the docs on team camaro with pride.OMG! did i get a bunch of PM's Emails...etc....I had no idea.....I then sat on it for a while.Just thinking about what i should do.Then i wanted the people that arent so "in the know" to know that this practice is going on for monetary reasons and not just for fun or novelty like my car.I would like everybody to watch out in thier purchase of a fully documented car...I had learned some very interesting points of view from people.It is truly amazing how some people think both intelligently and not so intelligently.But i have heard even more great opinions...

Ok,this is the part where i can simply lie to you and tell you that i will destroy all doc,s.But i'm not a liar.So i will once again reassure you that the docs will not leave my possesion with the car.I will set these docs aside and not display them anymore.These doc's POP etc..cost me thousands of dollars.So rather than simply destroy them,i will keep them aside.i will surely not destroy the car.

I will only dislay the car for what it is and not what it is pretented to be.Hemmings loved the car!
Now to further prove my honesty we all have Hemmings Muscle Machines which is a major publication proving the car's fake pedigree.That will be the only document that will go along with my car if/when i ever sell it.....

........John........

[JimM]

I suppose I "just have to" add my 2 cents too, why not, eh?

I "know" John from Team Camaro, and I've met him and seen the car up close and personal at last years Car Crazy show in San Meteo.

The car is simply fabulous.

John is a great guy, and totally honest, if somewhat niave.

I'm uncomfortable with the paperwork too. I can certainly see the "potential" for a serious problem at some future date.

Regardless, Kudos on the musclecar of the year nomination, as well as the 8 pages and cover in Hemmings!

[Charley Lillard]

I think it would be better to display them with a sign pointing out that every document is fake . Maybe type up a nice paragraph warning people about how easy it is to fake this stuff and really look into cars history etc before shelling out hard earned money for a supposed documented car.

[wagonman]

OK,
If i choose to display the doc's.
I will display that the doc's are re-created.

that seems like a fair way of doing it......

I'm getting somewhat fatigued at defending them for my purpose.

I may just put the car away in storage for a quite a while.......

I think i'm ready to start a new project anyway......

[frank261]

John: This is America {Land of The FREE} You can do what you want. Be proud ypu have a 1968 Z/28 Camaro that some people can apprecate. Don't let The Round Guys run you off. Frank261 Huffy Rail Ridder

[PeteLeathersac]

Personal opinions here but w/ the situation and exposure this car has had, using it as an example of what's going on out there seemed a great idea worth considering?!.
But if the Wagonlad doesn't want to do that, good enough & no question he's free to do as he chooses..
Even the flip-flop statements of what he's gonna' do w/ the hokey 'documents' later don't matter..

Cool car and all, it just all makes me wonder how do threads that seemingly accept praise for cars and positions such as this fit in here on this of all sites?!

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~ Pete

[frank261]

Pete: That's why we live in the United States We are the {Land of The Free} to do as we see fit. Personaly i kmow it not nice to criticize another human being for what they stand for. Frank261 Huffy Rail Ridder

[PeteLeathersac]

I agree w/ that Frank and we here in Canada stand for the same things..
I hereby apologize to John the Wagonman for the ways I was critical in stating my opposite opinion..

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~ Pete

[frank261]

That was very nice of you to do that for another member Wagonman, of the sYc site Frank261

[wagonman]

Ahhh......THE FRUSTRATION........




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no question he's free to do as he chooses..
Even the flip-flop statements of what he's gonna' do w/ the hokey 'documents' later don't matter..

Cool car and all, it just all makes me wonder how do threads that seemingly accept praise for cars and positions such as this fit in here on this of all sites?!

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~ Pete

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good question,I dont know how this car appeared on this site to begin with.I was not a member of this site.Last year it appeared on this site.Somebody informed me of it with a link on an email.Then again and again it appeared on this site.This thread initially started out as a positive compliment for making the cover of Hemmings Muscle Machines.But then soon turned somewhat south.I'm not complaining as this is the choice i took after realizing how controversial it became.I stuck with it and will continue do do so.

as far as being flip flop.i will continue to do so.....I'm not running for office so my character can be shady if i may choose.I may just display all without any remorse.

thank you for letting me see the light without any guilt.....

Wait till you see my next project it may be,

a Z16 convertible

L79 67 nova.

ZL1 69 camaro....

but perhaps i wont say anything on whats fake or not....

WATCH OUT!!!!!!!

[frank261]

Iam proud to be an Amercian and suport are troops that keep us safe and have the freedom to speak what we want when we want. Thanks Frank261

[njsteve]

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but perhaps i wont say anything on whats fake or not....

WATCH OUT!!!!!!!

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Wagonman, do whatever you want to make yourself happy and forget about what everyone else thinks*



*but if you stick with the above stated position, the moment you try to sell your next "project" to someone without disclosing that it's a fake and has counterfeit docs, you can then say goodbye to the car (it will get seized), your house (you will have to sell it for the attorney's fees), and several years of your freedom (because there is no defense to such an easy case of VIN tampering and mail/wire fraud).

Just some free legal advice from an attorney.

(That reminds me of the old oil filter commercial: You can pay me a little now...or you can pay me a whole lot later) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Just think, right now there's a lawyer or two out there just salivating on how you are going to pay for his kid's braces, cosmetic surgery, and tuition to an Ivy league school based on your next move. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

By the way, I'd vote for the 1970 LS6 Camaro that they were supposed to make, but cancelled. That would be cool.

[Verne_Frantz]

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Ahhh......THE FRUSTRATION........


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no question he's free to do as he chooses..
Even the flip-flop statements of what he's gonna' do w/ the hokey 'documents' later don't matter..

Cool car and all, it just all makes me wonder how do threads that seemingly accept praise for cars and positions such as this fit in here on this of all sites?!

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~ Pete

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good question,I dont know how this car appeared on this site to begin with.I was not a member of this site.Last year it appeared on this site.Somebody informed me of it with a link on an email.Then again and again it appeared on this site.This thread initially started out as a positive compliment for making the cover of Hemmings Muscle Machines.But then soon turned somewhat south.I'm not complaining as this is the choice i took after realizing how controversial it became.I stuck with it and will continue do do so.

as far as being flip flop.i will continue to do so.....I'm not running for office so my character can be shady if i may choose.I may just display all without any remorse.

thank you for letting me see the light without any guilt.....

Wait till you see my next project it may be,

a Z16 convertible

L79 67 nova.

ZL1 69 camaro....

but perhaps i wont say anything on whats fake or not....

WATCH OUT!!!!!!!

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Wagonman. That last statement by you is what all of us honest folks in the hobby are afraid of. Not only by YOU, but by many others who have tried it (some successfully) and others who are contemplating it.
Whether or not your initial intentions were as you say, I still have an extreme objection to what you have done. I also have an extreme objection to the Hemmings magazine putting your car on the COVER. As I said before, it's a bitter-sweet situation. I have strong negative feelings toward the magazine for doing that, but I also am glad that the issue will (should) follow your car forever, so that no one can try to prove the car is legit.

I've spent the last 25 years of my life trying to compile information needed to verify the authenticity of 58-64 full sized Chevrolets, and I will NEVER EVER condone the making of a cowl tag, or ANY fake documentation of ANY kind.

The only information that should EVER be displayed with your car is the ORIGINAL documentation. As far as I'm concerned, your car might as well have a blower through the hood. It's a "modified" car, and nothing more (no matter how nice it is).

In 100 years, is the copy of the magazine article still going to be in the trunk????????????????????? You can't answer that question.

Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[1969l78]

Just another guy wrecking this great hobby. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Calm down fellas. He is getting his button pushed and is pushing back. The car is nice enough to be on the cover of a magazine and I don't think Hemmings has a policy of only featuring cars with real documentation. With the quality of work you do you might as well do it to a real car next time.

[Verne_Frantz]

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Calm down fellas. He is getting his button pushed and is pushing back. The car is nice enough to be on the cover of a magazine and I don't think Hemmings has a policy of only featuring cars with real documentation. With the quality of work you do you might as well do it to a real car next time.

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I didn't think Hemmings had a policy of featuring cars with fake documentation either. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Dog427435]

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I didn't think Hemmings had a policy of featuring cars with fake documentation either. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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Did anyone notice the car featured after John's was a clone / no excuse me / a phantom also??

[Verne_Frantz]

Dog, They seemed to make that a theme of that issue. 3 cars (I think) were singled out as "never were, but could have been". A pretty lame theme for that magazine, in my opinion....

[frank261]

Verne: I think you are a perty LAME person to be talking to anyone on this site when you are not even a sYc member. Now thats my opinion of your statement. How do you like to be Slap for a change? Frank261 Huffy Rail Ridder

[SS427]

Verne is a well respected member of this site and has been around for a long time and helped MANY people. He voiced his opinion on the subject and nothing more. If you want any of that same respect I would be cautious how you comment further. JMO http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[frank261]

You have give respect to recived respect. So i don't think he is a respectable sYc Member Frank261

[SS427]

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You have give respect to recived respect. Frank261

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Took the words right out of my mouth! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[frank261]

So how do you think that respectable talking like that to wagonman?

[frank261]

So how dos Vernes make it respectable to wagnman as a sYc Member Frank261

[Dog427435]

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Verne: How do you like to be Slap for a change? Frank261 Huffy Rail Ridder

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What's a Slap?

Do you mean this?

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I think someone's up past their bed time and is getting cranky! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


(Is this Joey??)

[427.060]

If you guys have a problem with Hemmings putting this car on the cover maybe you should take it up with Hemmings. The headline says ONE OF NONE, THE NEVER WAS Z-28 RS CONVERTIBLE. If people can't read that and know that it is a made up car maybe they need more schooling. I think it is a great looking car. As long as Wagonman is up front with anyone asking about the car or he doesn't try to sell it as the real deal, I don't have a problem with it. How many of these high dollar COPOs are represented as 100% authentic when they are in fact rebodies. If the car in question here was one of these cars this thread would have never gone this far. The man has a right to do as he pleases with his car as long as he is up front about it. JMO
James

[x Baldwin Motion]

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I think someone's up past their bed time and is getting cranky!


(Is this Joey??) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif


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....you are a perty LAME person to be talking.....
.....How do you like to be Slap for a change?...

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Who is "Slap" ? Do they really talk like that in WI ?


Verne, I'm am sure responding to this http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gifis way above you. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[67rscoupe]

Oh My God!

You Guys are still complaining about this car? get over it! what's done is done!

It is a beautiful car!

do i detect Jealousy?

[wagonman]

Thank You Charlie.

[wagonman]

Thank you Frank.

[frank261]

Iam glad that to see that a sYc 5 star member gets on the cover of Hemmings Muscle Car Magazine & Muscle Car of The year Finalest. Nice job John Frank 261 Huffy Rail Ridder