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Re: Top Day 2 Musclecars?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 68l30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
From a competition standpoint, can a Day 2 1965 build race a Day 2 1970 build and not be handicaped? Cubic inchs aside, "period correct" aftermarket parts dramaticly improved. What "phase" of Day 2 would line up with what? Class and index.... BIG </div></div> Instantly thought of the movie Two Lane Blacktop. Did the 55 have an advantage over the GTO- maybe all it had going for it were aftermarket rims. So the 55 wasn't a pure Day 2 car. Maybe I'm less of a Day 2 fan and more of a fan of the aftermarket products from the 1960's! Also a grudge race/ street race / sleeper / underdog fan. Kinda like how the SCR has encouraged even non-super car rides to participate in the drags. Hard to bottle it all up, but if you could create a compitition similar to what was happening in an unclassified way on the streets of the USA during the Muscle Car era- that would be magical. Fastest Street Car Shoot-Out circa 1969! |
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Good comparison on the TLBT cars. One far removed, but period and the other in a very early Day 2 transformation. Perfect counterpoint to my comment but validates the build phase when not taken into consideration. Day 2 stops after some point...Era correct takes over when the build fits a time period.
Great topic! BTW, love that Chevy II.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif[/img] BIG |
Re: Top Day 2 Musclecars?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 68l30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting discussion. I believe Day 2 is a slippery slope, especially if you want to try to classify it. I think historicly most cars that are called Day 2 had a metamorphous thru their lifetime. IMHO Day 2 in the purest sense was the "First Period" a group of modifications done almost immediately. Such as wheels ( not necessarily tires) , small bolt ons, exhaust....crude lettering if raced ( often shoe polish) but retaining a " Stocker" outward appearance. The next few weeks or months morphed into a "Second Period" missing more stock items, bigger tires, paint work, different hoods, roll bars, major suspension mods...becoming more track-race only. I believe from here out, competitive adrenlin and the classification / rulebook pushed the rest into " Third Period" glass panels and tubbed rear, custom painted, showcars or caged race cars. It's easy to put a time frame on Day 2 parts, but what about the time frame of the build? Is it really Day 2 or Month 2?
From a competition standpoint, can a Day 2 1965 build race a Day 2 1970 build and not be handicaped? Cubic inchs aside, "period correct" aftermarket parts dramaticly improved. What "phase" of Day 2 would line up with what? Class and index.... I believe there are a lot of great Day 2 cars out there. Lot's of time frames and transitions to enjoy.......Honor the period and stay away from Summit! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img] BIG </div></div> A friend has a 68 Chevelle SS396. It was bought new as an L78/M21 car and was immediately put into street racer service. This is an unrestored car that has never been abandoned to the back of the shed or the south 40 and has never been "just" a driver. It's evolved through the years from it's modded L78 origins and now sports an 18* small block on two guns with a Liberty 5-speed and ladder bars and is <span style="font-style: italic">still</span> street raced regularly. So what's Day 2? Day 3? Year 2? Cars evolve and it's tough to nail down a hard cut-off for what is or is not Day 2. As you say, a slippery slope. |
Re: Top Day 2 Musclecars?
2 cents worth. Being from the 60s/70's the biggest issues for winning street races was getting traction, and breathing. A L78 Nova with factory E70 tires from the factory would be dead meat running a stock 340 duster/cuda with L60's and a good gear. Cam changes, and motor internals usually happened after you got your ass handed to you by some dick wad mouth runner. It was a natural progression like Big said. Day 2 started with the big three. Headers, Big meats and wheels, and slapper bars. The rest depended on your testosterone level, money, and traffic arrest record.
I do miss those days. |
Re: Top Day 2 Musclecars?
Shouldn't we look at cars that were built by the factory to be Day 2 cars?
Not everything in the showroom ran well stock. Boss 429 comes to mind. What else? - 1968-69 W30 - 1970 W30 4-speed - 1968-70 W31????? Do you agree with the above? What else would you add? |
Re: Top Day 2 Musclecars?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">'70 Stage1 - Not a player....What? You obviously have never driven a Stage1.
If they were the cars that were listed on the "Top Fifty" fastest Muscle Cars.....how in the world would say that any of the "Top Ten".....would not be players? Dan </div></div> Dan - I'm a big fan of GS Buicks. Have come close to buying a few, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. "Not a player" is probably the wrong phase. I just wouldn't expect one to be in the top three. Having said that, I'm happy to be wrong on this. Thanks, Scott |
Re: Top Day 2 Musclecars?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love discussions on Day 2 cars. Not really sure where you could set limits or more specifically, how do you set a identify when a threshold is crossed?
My Dad's 67 Nova was a "Day 2 car from Day 1". It was bought in June 67 and before 1968, it had bigger gears and a roller cam installed. Unfortunately, they did not install a cam button and it ended up pushing out the timing cover! So a deal was worked out with a group in-the-know to update it with a 68 Z28 motor. Anyways, my point is that if you are trying to recreate what it was like on the streets back-in-the-day you best bet is to define when. Let's say the rules are set to be like it was in the summer of 1971 (though summer of '69 would be my preference). An older car, would have more time for an evolved mod, such as a 55 Chevy with a W motor- like Bob Falfa, and there were plenty of Tri-Five on the street in the late 1960's. To define the Day 2 mods to only be rubber, gears, traction bars, inakes cams and headers would probably be unrealistic to the spirit of the day. I'm more than a little partial, but by 1971 my Dad had his 67 Nova sorted out the best combination for the street with an LT1 motor, fender well headers, 4.88 gears and disarming white wall tires. I've heard stories of it taking down a blown Corvette for a big street upset. My favorite was when a rival for me in the early 1990's was talking up his 5.0 Mustang against my 65 Chevelle and his buddy let it slip that the father of the kid with the 5.0 had a 69 Boss Mustang and warned him not to race my father's Nova for money! Well he might as well told the kid to do it. Thanks for allowing me to swing off topic a bit, but motor swaps, or stroker cranks and machine were we happening on Day 2. </div></div> Love the Nova! Cool story, too. As for Day 2, I realize all of these mods (engine swaps, etc) were happening as soon as Day 2, but the conversation I'm interested in is what were the quickest street cars on Day 2, given some reasonable (and common) modifications and a realistic budget. If you could keep it simple and relatively inexpensive, I think it would be a great racing class to complement Pure Stock Drags and FAST. Thanks for the input. Scott |
Re: Top Day 2 Musclecars?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of course I'm a Nova guy...but, I would choose the following:
68 or 69 L78 car/plain jane 731 interior/rubber mat/no options...4.56 gears...M22 tranny for the 68, traction bars/Harrell clamps, headers w/proper exhaust, re-curve distributor, Hurst shifter, as much rubber as will fit in the rear...if it was a 69 I would probably choose the TH400 for the base platform with a little better convertor. There won't be much that will catch it...no need to go inside the motor. wilma </div></div> That's one of my favorite cars from "back in the day." Love a car that's optioned with one thing in mind, too -- going fast in a straight line. Thanks for the input. Scott |
Re: Top Day 2 Musclecars?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Day 2 Ford? If you're dead set on only using original speed parts, 71 Mustang coupe, 429 SCJ, 4 speed, 4.30 Detroit. The 385 stuff came along too late to really make an impact back then, but pound for pound, I'll put that stagger valve SCJ notch up against any Hemi E-Body, Ram Air Bird, ZL-1 Camaro <span style="font-style: italic">or</span> FE powered production Ford. </div></div>
Let me preface this by saying I loves me some 385's. I had a 796 hp 514 in my 67 Fairlane and it was a BEAST. However, I think you give up too much in a 71 Mustang -- a bit on the heavy side, and that 429 is a heavy lump. Same thing hinders the 351 Boss, IMO -- awesome engine, but car is too heavy. Here's my old '67 -- not really Day 2, but still one of my favorite cars. http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m...p/100_2781.jpg |
Re: Top Day 2 Musclecars?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess Day 2 really is just grudge racing with a technology cut off- I guess 1971 or 2 would be cool for most of us.
</div></div> Bingo. |
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