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He didn't he wasn't coming NEXT weekend. Just not this weekend. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Even though the Yenko paperwork clearly shows 107 VINs, 1967 Yenko Camaros IMO, when it comes to such cars, the number built is not as important as the number of documented cars that exist today. Such as '69 Yenko Novas, 9 known to exist, how many built/sold 37, 40, ? The problem is some of the lists seem to contain both converted and unconverted cars, and of course factor in documented cars that are not on the list, then the number built/sold is really subject to debate. On the other hand, it is easier to get close to the number of documented cars known to exist. Of course Don did not help matters when questioned about numbers built.

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That’s true but a lot of people ask how many were made as well as how many found.

If you research the 107 list, it becomes apparent that there is something seriously wrong with the first half. A few have been identified as not being 427 Camaros and the known documented early car is not on the list. The first half of the 107 list is just a vin list and is not a Yenko inventory list. Most of them are ghost cars with no information, no Yenko Stock number, no color, no dealer info, nothing.

This first half of the 107 list shown on here is all blank except for the vin.

I don’t think the 107 number is accurate for 1967 Yenko 427 Camaro Production. IMO

The second half of the 107 list is where the 54 Yenko 427 Super Camaros are with YS 7xx numbers and inventory info.

The known early car is YS 604 and is a March build. If you count all the vins between the last YS 6xx vin and the first YS 7xx vin there can only be a about 10 cars.

I have heard of a YS 606 so I use 6 as the min and 16 as the max. Add that to the 54 YS 7xx cars and I get between 60 and 70.

I believe Don exaggerated the 107 list for promotional reasons as he did on many other occasions.

A more accurate number for the 1967 Yenko 427 Camaro is
60-70 as far as I can tell.

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Sorry Joe, I disagree.

First of all, have you seen Vince's paperwork from which he came up with the magic 57 number? And if in fact he has paperwork for 57 (which I do not think he does, as Warren has some of it), how can we be sure he has all of the information? You yourself said there are more then 57.

This list for '67 Yenkos that I have came from the Yenko estate and was verified by Donna Mae as legit, so IMO we have to accept it.

You can theorize all you want, but I like to stick to facts. Anytime one starts adding their own ideas into the mix, only muddies the water. I know of at least two “experts” who tried doing this, and now are involved in court cases. As I said on numerous occasions, I will let the paperwork speak for itself.

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I've always wondered how many of these were considered made.
Tom,are you saying you subscribe to the count of 107 for 1967's,or should it be more or less?

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To tell you the truth, I have no idea, and I do not think anyone else does either. Do you go on what Don said, or Vince, or Warren, or Joe C., or "the list" of 107 I have? How do the non-converted cars fit in, are they Yenkos?

Case in point(s). Don said in an interview that he built 500 units in '69 , which seems to be Camaros, there is even a sign. We have numbers for 199-201 Camaros, would be closer to 500 if we added up all of the '69s, so who do we believe? I say 199 Camaros, 99 Chevelles, 40ish '69 Novas, with an * that there could be more, just have not seen proof yet. Same with the '69 Novas, the magic number was 37, but we know of one not on the list with bullet proof paperwork, so there goes that number. Yes, the car was sold non-converted, but so were others on the list. What does this info do to that list?

See where this is going?

I could have kept the info I had private, and just thrown numbers out as others have done, but felt it best for the hobby for me to go public. Makes for some very interesting discussions, but at the end of the day, we will always wind up back at square one, which is lots of ?????, but few answers.

This is why I say it is easier, and best, to simply list how many are known to exist.

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Very well put Tom,

I know on the Stingers, that everytime Don was interviewed, he gave a different # of cars he built. I have a letter from Don (on Yenko letterhead) to Joe Burch in Dallas (Joe owned many Stingers over the years)that states that he built 300 Stingers. There was never anywhere close to 300 Stingers. I know the Stingers are not the SuperCars, but the trail of "differences" in the quantity of cars built stays consistent.

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as far as the photo of the 69 camaro with the "500th Unit Built" sign on it, don't be fooled into thinking that only meant camaros... I have another pic taken the same day, in the same Colonial Chevrolet showroom, with the same sign on top of a Yenko Chevelle. Personally I don't know if the sign meant ANYTHING, and may have just been some Don Yenko marketing BS to impress the media and the big shots at Colonial on that particular day, or it COULD have been reference to ALL 69 syc cars sold, or maybe even all cars sold by Yenko in general for 69 ( including pickups, station wagons etc) ... Who knows... I just know yenko wasn't above "padding" actual numbers or fudging the truth to make himself and his business seem even bigger than it was. - jb

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as far as the photo of the 69 camaro with the "500th Unit Built" sign on it, don't be fooled into thinking that only meant camaros... I have another pic taken the same day, in the same Colonial Chevrolet showroom, with the same sign on top of a Yenko Chevelle. Personally I don't know if the sign meant ANYTHING, and may have just been some Don Yenko marketing BS to impress the media and the big shots at Colonial on that particular day, or it COULD have been reference to ALL 69 syc cars sold, or maybe even all cars sold by Yenko in general for 69 ( including pickups, station wagons etc) ... Who knows... I just know yenko wasn't above "padding" actual numbers or fudging the truth to make himself and his business seem even bigger than it was. - jb

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Yep...could be any of the above, or none of the above. Who knows?

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That is my point. Don Yenko did not agree with Don Yenko.
His numbers are all over the place. I am not saying anything negitive about DY as I am one of his biggest fans.

Luckly he did leave us a lot of material to research so we have to put it all together to see what could be possible.

My estimate of 60-70 is for 1967 "427" Camaros and is based on many other reasons. We know the 107 is not correct as some have been identified as not 427 cars and one found car is not on the list.

I believe the sign said 350 units and VE said 54 67s.
I'll have to check. We can't even get the numbers right today so how can Don https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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I guess my biggest beef with throwing numbers around, such as "60-70" is once they are out there, they wind up in print, then everyone considers that as gospil, when in fact none of us know.

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yes, it was 350th not 500th .... But I've already explained my own mathematical skills earlier in this thread! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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yes, it was 350th not 500th .... But I've already explained my own mathematical skills earlier in this thread! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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But at least we did learn that 25 divided by 5 equals 14. Still LMAO at that video.

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Can someone please tell me why I am trying to sell all my Mustangs to buy Chevy's? You guys just crack me up. 107,54,350,500 or who knows? Stop it your killing me.

Every time I look at my SAAC registry I am just so thankful we know exactly how many Shelby's were built.

Colin, when you sold me that red/red 68 L-78 M22 Camaro you blathered on and on about how the 68 Camaro was your favorite year? Now your not a fan of the 68? Thats some breaking news.
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Les,
I never, not once, "blathered on and on" about how 68 Camaros were my favorite. In fact, I distinctly remember not even trying to sell you the car and you blathering on and on about how I should sell it to you. Perhaps you were confused about my enthusiasm for that PARTICULAR 68 Camaro that you have so far purchased a majority share of on the layaway plan? I do indeed think that red/red L78 M22 car with reams of paperwork is just incredible. Really great car and great HISTORY which sometimes (especially in Chevys) outweighs all else. Don't you agree?

My point was that in general (and in the marketplace) 68 Vettes, 68 Camaros, 68 Mustangs, even 68 AMX's are not as highly valued as the 1969 versions for some reason. Must be the magic of 1969, end of an era, something? So while I have never particuarly lusted after a 68 Camaro as I have after a Shelby Daytona Coupe, lets say, I sure can appreciate and will readily BUY a great example.

Just like my 68 Yenko, I feel it is special because the 68's are so unique, middle child and all.

Z/28's, for example, I would much rather have a 67 first year Z with cowl plenum induction, vent windows, etc than a 69 Z, even though many may disagree. I don't think many people would rather have a 68 Z than a 67 or 69, again, I have no idea why.

As far as the production numbers on Yenko Camaros, we know for sure (+/- a few perhaps?) what the numbers were in '68 and '69. '67, who knows, but obviously from this thread it seems like some think less and some think more https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif than what has been reported in the past. I agree, the number of known surviving cars is certainly quite low so it would make sense that there were not 107 converted cars built in 67. Do we have an accurate count of known cars as of this date? That would be interesting. Thank God for that list of '68 vins that is reasonably reliable, unlike what old Don tossed around for the '67's that seemed to have a fair amount of BS factored in for whatever reason https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Colin

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...let me get this straight...is it "less is more" or "Les is more"...more or less... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

Can't beat a '67 with the stinger hood and corvette side exhaust!...

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I agree with the '68 models being less favored than the adjacent years. Having lived through the aftermath of all the turmoil the country experienced in '68, I maintain that it is simply a year that most would like to forget. After riots & cities being burned following two major assassinations, the year was topped off by the Democratic convention in Chicago. More protests & police beatings. All in all, it was not a great year. 1969 seemed to turn the page, and, ushered in the "Summer of Love".

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Personally I too prefer 67 Camaros over 68's also really love stinger hoods on almost anything other than non '67 mid year 'Vettes..

But when it comes to Yenkos, the 68's w/ their 140 Speedo and MM tag make me lean their way to start with but those '68 hoods put me over the top so I'm weak in the knees for a '68 more than a '67 and would prefer either of them over a '69 anyday!.

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~ Pete

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I agree with the '68 models being less favored than the adjacent years. Having lived through the aftermath of all the turmoil the country experienced in '68, I maintain that it is simply a year that most would like to forget. After riots & cities being burned following two major assassinations, the year was topped off by the Democratic convention in Chicago. More protests & police beatings. All in all, it was not a great year. 1969 seemed to turn the page, and, ushered in the "Summer of Love".

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Neat perspective Mike...I lived through it also...but I was only nine then...so my time was spent playing with Matchbox cars and building car models and then blowing them up https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Colin,

You are quite the prolific writer and you are now attempting to re-write history much like you attempted to frame me for the brown skid mark someone left on the toilet seat of your motor home at the reunion. I say now as I said then if the brown skid mark doesn't fit you must acquit!

As I scan your webSITE I find no 69 muscle cars in your private collection but five muscle cars built in 1969 for sale. In fact going back to January of this year you had four or more 68 muscle cars in your private collection and again no 69s. If the 69 doesn't fit you must acquit!

All due respect to the summer of love guy. For those of us living on the north side of Chicago in 1969 it was the summer of hell as we watched our beloved Cubs blow a 10 game lead on the Mets and miss the playoffs. San Francisco and the summer of love seemed very far away that summer on the north side of Chicago.

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Note to anybody reading this thread:

Never attempt to correct or respectfully disagee with a Federal Prosecutor. This applies to any and all subjects, including those in which the FP has been caught red-handed taking the Browns to the Superbowl in an area clearly marked "NO DUMPING", closely followed by the great Gatorade kidnapping of 2008 in which said FP was later seen selling discounted Gatorade at the SCR mere moments after stealing them while exiting the odiferous enviroment he created within victims toterhome.

As far as the lack of 1969 automobiles in my collection and the presence of "4 or more 68's", may I be so bold as to point out that I have a '69 A12 Road Runner, a '69 Boss 429 and a '69 GTO Judge convertible. For '68's, I have a '68 Y Camaro. Period. I previously owned, in January of this year, a '68 Mr Norms GSS 440 Dart and a '68 L78 Camaro, but I found some sucka from the nort side of she-cago to buy those two POS's https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

However, previously mentioned FP has missed the entire point of my '68 vs '67/'69 discussion - it pertained to Yenko Camaros and only mentioned other '68's as supporting evidence to an apparent communist plot to steer people away from anything produced in Detroit the year prior to the Cubs going down, the Democratic National Convention, or the Summer of Love in which a young Lester Quam was making a five year plan to shed his virginity.

Any further arguments presented from FP LQ shall be directed to my new legal counsel, NJ Steve. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Colin

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif I like it when you guys use all dem big words and are cuttin' each other down and stuff (at least I think you're cuttin' each other down https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif ).

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Former state and county prosecutor not federal. And I clearly pointed the brown skid mark out to you prior to me crossing the threshold of your latrine for the express purpose of not being blamed for it. Unfortunately I didn't have any gloves or container to get a stool sample to send out to the lab to protect my good name from this type of slander. Now I know how Barack feels?

As for your new charge that I feloniously guzzled all the gatorade out of your refrigerator I again stand falsley accused and now realize how O.J. feels.

In regard to missing your point I didn't know you made one among all that blathering. I have noticed however a marked difference in your grasp of reality since you locked yourself in your Griffith over the weekend and nearly died after not being able to escape.

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This is no way for the president of the CLFC to act.
















Wait a minute...yes it is. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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-----Les,,,Are you the same Les Quam that did some pretty serious ocean racing with your Dad back in the day???........Bill S

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Bill,
Yes, we raced for about 11 years. The name of the boat was Flapjack #45. How did you know that?

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif I like it when you guys use all dem big words and are cuttin' each other down and stuff (at least I think you're cuttin' each other down https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif ).

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As Colin's alleged Counsel of Record, I would advise anyone who may be desirous of my sesquipedalian proclivities to have the requisite monetary and/or collateral-based funding well in hand before considering the retention of my equally alleged legal prowess.
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Just the spector of being squashed like a bug in court by NJSteve has caused me to offer up the following plea bargain.
1. I will cop to the gatorade guzzling caper but the amount consumed was less than 250 dollars so thats a misdo.

2. I will admit that the story about Colin liking 68 Camaro's the best was... what did Joe Biden say back in 1988 when he ran for president and had to drop out after plagerizing some speechs? Shall we say some parts of my story were embellished in that the 68 camaro wasn't actually for sale and he didn't really want to sell it. Other than that everything was accurate. On this charge I will plead no contest.

However I won't cop to the brown skid mark because it wasn't mine so if Colin finally and publicly admits that it wasn't mine and lets me drive his Zamboni next time I am in town we have a deal. Steve please consult with your client and please advise if we have reached an agreement?

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I have a faster Zamboni.

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I have a faster Zamboni.

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'67 or '68? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif I like it when you guys use all dem big words and are cuttin' each other down and stuff (at least I think you're cuttin' each other down https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif ).

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As Colin's alleged Counsel of Record, I would advise anyone who may be desirous of my sesquipedalian proclivities to have the requisite monetary and/or collateral-based funding well in hand before considering the retention of my equally alleged legal prowess.
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Wow - sesquipedalian proclivities - delicatessen does it for me! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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-----Les,,,Worked at DONZI Marine in the early 70s and knew your name from somewhere. As I have a deep interest in ocean racing back in the early days, I go on the "OSO" sight all the time and spotted yours and your Dads name. You two did very, very well for yourselves, in a sport that was incredibly difficult to do well in. Do you still have any speedy type boats???

-----Oh,,,Am sorry for the hi-jack........Bill S

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Bill...is there anyone that you do not know? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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This thread has really gone down hill since the Ford guys came in. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif just kidding.

Back to my rant ……

Having over 20 years experience in researching Yenko stuff I have learned that you can’t just find one list and accept it as the correct number.
As Ron Reagan said, “Trust, but Verify ”.

What is good and bad about the Yenko records is the sheer volume that exists.
Bad - because it complicates the documentation process.
Good - because some cars may have 5 separate documents showing the vin and other info. That’s iron clad documentation.

“Don’s word” of 107 should be cross-referenced to the other Yenko records. The 107 list is an important document and any found cars on there should be checked out but the first half of the list has a lot of problems when compared to other Yenko records and to the found cars.

In the 1987 MCR interview Don said he built 400 Stingers, 54 1967 Camaros, 64 1968 Camaros, 500 69 Camaros, 200 Deuces, and “about 100 Chevelles, and “about 35 Novas”.

Looks like MCR had Vince E’s numbers and presented them to Don in the interview. It appears Don accepted the 67, 68, Camaro numbers, and used them in the interview. He would not accept the 201 number but stood by his number of 500 69 Y Camaros. He gave them the “350th Unit” picture to which they posted the caption “ Up until now, it was believed that only 201 COPO 9561 Camaros were built for Yenko. Take a look at the picture. Of the 500 COPO cars here’s documentation that the 350th unit was sold ……….”

I have letters Don wrote to Chevy talking about 1000 hi po cars in one year. Don consistently used high numbers. I guess he was just doing his job promoting his name. He was trying to get a 2nd dealership in 1968. (I have Don’s desk file on this). He didn’t get it. Then he was pushing for approval for a new large modern Chevy Dealership.
He got that in 1973.

Don was a good businessman (and salesman) but this shows why you have to verify Don’s numbers. This is not a negative mark against DY but according to “Don’s word” there are 300 69 Y Camaro ghost cars floating around.

Look at the first half of the 107 list shown on here. It is all blank except for the vin. It’s a ghost town – there isn’t even a piece of sagebrush blowing through it.

The above is, of course, all just my opinion.

BTW Colin, is your 68 Y Camaro the one Don Garlits drag tested in MCR? Saw it when looking for the interview.

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As I said before, good or bad, I think we need to stick to facts, not "it appears", or "looks like", and " I guess". Reading between the lines, AKA injecting our own opinions only muddies the water.

Of course, if I owned a '67 I might be on the other side, wanting the number built to be less. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Charley, why don't you tell the class that you asked me what zamboni I bought and you went and got the same one? Oh, wait, you got the joystick version and I got the steering wheel version. What would Freud say about that? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Joe, yep, my 68 Y Camaro is the one Big Daddy laid down a few scorching low-15 second and high-14 second runs in. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif Must have been scared to break somebody else's car I guess? At least he was faster in my car than he was in the 68.5 CJ Mustang. THAT would have been embarassing https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

I'm going to go charge the batteries in my zamboni and empty the tanks, just in case Charley wants to throw down. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif One question, though, is that Honda S800 fatser or slower than a Clarke?

Colin

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If I can get my Honda S800 running it will be faster than my Isetta.

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That's a big if..

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Bill,
Wow, Donzi in the 70s that was a very interesting time in south Florida. I was at the Univ. of Miami from 76 to 80 and that era was something else in terms of money floating around. No more boats for me. I blew all my money on muscle cars. Now it looks like I need to buy a Zamboni?

That 68 Yenko of Colins's hasn't seemed to have picked up any speed judging by the ETs I saw at the reunion. LOL LOL

I return you now back to the great Zamboni war.

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So the guy that was laying down some breathtaking 15's in his BM Phase III Camaro wants to throw stones at the guy who ran high-13's on F70/14 tires in a 68 Yenko with a FUBAR shifter that kept jamming in 2nd?

Bring it on, ex-nort she-cago, ex-U of M student that never inhaled, ex- prosecutor and attorney, etc....let's use SCR-12 to race heads up on zambonis and line up that BM car against the 68 Yenko and see what happens! Deal? I hereby wager $50 or dinner for everybody at Banderas BBQ (whichever is greater) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

Charley, if you want in on this action bring that Yenko Tuned Honda S800. Or do you want me and Les to go buy microcars so we can see how many days it takes the fastest one to cover 1320 feet? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif