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Very nice. Enjoy it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donnie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">should the power steering cap be the metal 2 ear kind?
like the Chevelle. and whats the part number on the p/s pulley? </div></div> PS caps were plastic as pictured in 1969 and the pulley is a 105DD. |
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NO,,,, AS DONNIE said it sould have a metal power steering cap and the gas line block looks brand new?????
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Dave and Dan.....I would take that car down to the local spray car wash and gently hit the engine bay with some power water and take it home and Boeshield or WD-40 everything under the hood and then wipe it down or spray some on a rag and wipe all metal. Will look good and preserve some of what is left of the paint and toning.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donnie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">should the power steering cap be the metal 2 ear kind?
like the Chevelle. and whats the part number on the p/s pulley? </div></div> PS caps were plastic as pictured in 1969 and the pulley is a 105DD. </div></div> the reason I ask. is I believe both kinds were put on cars in 69 |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donnie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the reason I ask. is I believe both kinds were put on cars in 69 </div></div>
I would agree with that, Donnie. My all-original 69 Chevelle has a plastic PS cap that I have absolutely no reason to believe has ever been changed, and yet I have had some self-professed 'experts' tell me that it is "wrong" for the car [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif[/img] |
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I have inspected very early survivor 69 camaros from 9B of 68 and found them to have the black plastic type, and the cars have been from both LA and Nor. Does that represent every car or take into consideration vendor shortages and such no, but every original 69 camaro I have inspected has had the black plastic. Donnie what information do you have regarding the usage of the metal cap? BTW the metal cap part# is 846 and the plastic is 820.
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I have a 29K mile 69 survivor with a plastic cap.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BARNFOUND YENKO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great looking Z!! Take a couple of minutes and reinstall the Z/28 grill emblem to the correct spot. It's like wayyy off. Once again nice car!! </div></div>
More than just the emblem...grill should be argent silver and the surround should be body color.....grill and surround must have been replaced at some point huh?? Cool find!! |
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that is the same power steering cap as my 05A z-28. black plastic.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BARNFOUND YENKO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great looking Z!! <span style="font-weight: bold">Take a couple of minutes and reinstall the Z/28 grill emblem to the correct spot. It's like wayyy off.</span> Once again nice car!! </div></div>
I agree on both points NICE car, it looks awesome as is ... on to the pet peeves ... WHY are SO many Camaros (especially 69's) out there with the emblems installed so far "off"??? That almost bugs me more than the people that put new grilles in them without painting body color around the perimeter ... details, it is the details ... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donnie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">should the power steering cap be the metal 2 ear kind?
like the Chevelle. and whats the part number on the p/s pulley? </div></div> I think Donnie is referring to what some have found on some original `69 Chevelles. Camaros may never had the metal caps. Here's an original 67K mile Jan. built `69 Chevelle. http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...0Deluxe002.jpg |
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Steve, I dont have any information only my observations over the years.
that either kind could be on a 69. so it sounds like the majority of Camaros got the plastic cap and the majority of Chevelles got the metal cap. but sense both types were used in 69 you could be the minority. as Bills car is my Chevelle also has the plastic cap and it appears original to the car. and I dont want some judge at a show taking off points and telling me its NOT correct. sorry about getting this off track Dan |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donnie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve, I dont have any information only my observations over the years.
that either kind could be on a 69. so it sounds like the majority of Camaros got the plastic cap and the majority of Chevelles got the metal cap. but sense both types were used in 69 you could be the minority. as Bills car is my Chevelle also has the plastic cap and it appears original to the car. and I dont want some judge at a show taking off points and telling me its NOT correct. sorry about getting this off track Dan </div></div> Hi Donnie, I missed your reference to Chevelles. My understanding is that for Chevelles the plastic cap was a mid year introduction. Again I was exclusively talking about the Camaro. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Awesome find Dan, congrats [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]
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Hi Guys, I'll check the cap tonight and post photos...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VintageMusclecar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Awesome find Dan, congrats [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] </div></div> Thanks a lot Eric! Means a lot to me coming from you! <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70COPO</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> More than just the emblem...grill should be argent silver and the surround should be body color.....grill and surround must have been replaced at some point huh?? Cool find!! </div></div> I never really checked to be honest. I will tonight. Its got some horrible overspray in the grill area. About 50% original paint remains. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dave and Dan.....I would take that car down to the local spray car wash and gently hit the engine bay with some power water and take it home and Boeshield or WD-40 everything under the hood and then wipe it down or spray some on a rag and wipe all metal. Will look good and preserve some of what is left of the paint and toning. </div></div> Thats the plan, Sammy. Just need to find the time. The motor compartment is dirt but with gentle cleaning we'll be able to preserve her! |
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Really cool find Dan.........
Hey, is that Houndstooth int... dark blue or black........ |
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Great car Dan....enjoy it! I had to do a double take when I first saw your photos because there is almost an exact duplicate of your car in the Syracuse area. Original owner still owns it and is going to restore it some day, one of those deals.
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For inquiring minds, my early 68 dated Z had a plastic cap. Been swamped at work, new job, but will try for a photo tomorrow.
Thanks again for the compliments. Mike - I'd love to see some photos of that car. Could you email me some? Thanks buddy. |
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Subframe and suspension painted white???
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Here is what I can make out from enlarging the photos on my Mac...
Model - 12437 Paint - 71 71 Trim - 729 Box 31 - 5 Box 32 - 6 Box 36 - 0 Box 38 - 9 Dealer - 218 Order # or FSO # - NBH293 (?) Zone - 10 Engine - DZ Transmission - XF Axel - BU Identification - 158440 Does anyone have a decoder for the non-obvious? |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lemans69</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Subframe and suspension painted white??? </div></div>
The control arm shafts yes, done in car, but otherwise there is no white paint. overspray from the job is evident and seen in the photo. |
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Thanks Dan, I can't wait to see the engine compartment after cleaning. What a great car!!!
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Excellent Find! I know you have been looking for awhile. This shows that patience pays off!
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What was the IBM card used for? First step of the car order? Was the build sheet printed from the IBM card? Must be rare to find one, if they used the buildsheet to build the car.
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I think I've mentioned this here in the past but late 60's when I was a kid we lived in Oshawa GM Canada town and my dad used to bring these IBM cards home to use as paper or other stuff...like our bicycle spokes held w/ clothespins!.
Dad was an electrical-mechanical engineer / math-physics guru who had quit the business world to teach school and was head of math at one of the large Oshawa high schools.. He was into computers then and had been since the 50's although besides big business there was little going on w/ them in the late 60's.. I have no idea how he was ending up w/ the IBM cards but being they were lose you'd expect whatever they were used for at the GM plant was over after the cars were built also not usually left in cars?. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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Those IBM cards were what we used to program the computers with! All the students at General Motors Institute had to learn "FORTRAN IV". Each step in the program sequence had to be punched onto those cards and read into the computer. Raw data was also fed into the computers on punch cards. If you wanted to computer to "know" all of the build options on a car, a keypunch operator had to punch out an IBM card from the list provided. After the cards were read by the computer, the inventory requirements were calculated for the rolling build schedule. God I'm old!
Pete - I visited the St Catherines MCP many time when I was Supt of Production at Tonawanda MCP. It was pretty common knowledge in GM that St Catherines MCP was the most efficient and best quality foundry in GM. |
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Cool info Bergy!.
Did you work w/ Fran P. at Tonawanda?. So how/where/why would an IBM card end up in any vehicle especially the one it belongs to?. Sporadic spot checks to confirm all's flowing correctly?. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and cap
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...1010006-10.jpg </div></div> BTW, I believe that is the original assembly line cap as the later ones had an additional molded ring around that center relief hole opening. Here's a shot of a couple caps from the garage. Newer style replacement cap on left, original assembly line piece on right. http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/r...b/SDC10161.jpg |
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Good old FORTRAN (Formula Translation) and COBOL (Common Business Operating Language)...i Learned them both in 11th grade (flowcharts and all). I was really familiar with the IBM cards.
The one program that I "programmed through the cards" was to run the sequence of Fibonacci numbers to 100,000. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif[/img] Took me quite a while to get it to work...LOL |
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I was at the foundry and Fran was at the motor plant. Even though the plants were connected and I would be at QC meetings at the motor plant, I didn't know Fran. It's been a lot of years and I don't know axactly when Fran was at Tonawanda. I spent most of my time in operations (on the shop floor). Since I never worked at Norwood, I can't speak to how the IBM card got into a car. I did work at the St. Louis Corvette Assy plant when I was co-oping as a student. We used build sheets. The same info was on the punch cards though (the punch cards were the source for the eventual build sheet).
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Great info Bergy!
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Bergy, Pete, Bruce and Steve... thanks a lot for the info!
Got to love UPS... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...1010002-20.jpg From a member here nonetheless! |
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Traction Action baby!
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Sam... XF is M21 with 4.10 Gears
Gotta love the flat hood and slick look sans the spoiler.... Same Hood, lack of spoiler and month build as the Lemans Blue one I am doing now. |
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Thanks for the info James!
More work done on the car... original pad http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...DSC0001-12.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...DSC0002-10.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...DSC0003-13.jpg and the 837 alt is perfectly dated too http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...DSC0005-13.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...P1010010-4.jpg |
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Job # on the fire wall
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...1010002-21.jpg Paint stamps on the firewall http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...1010005-10.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...1010006-11.jpg |
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Original oil drain plug?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...1010001-22.jpg Original drive pulley http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...DSC0008-10.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...P1010016-7.jpg Changed the original belts... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...DSC0007-11.jpg |
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