Re: Is this a rebody?
 

Jim...

To be clear, the two choices of your original posting are completely different than your A/B scenarios above as your first posting included a "real" car and in the second posting, both are rebody cars..

(...I would rather have a rebodied LS6 Chevelle or Hemi Cuda with all original drivetrain than a "real" car with non original drivetrain. ...)

Of your first posting, I'd love a real LS6 or Hemi Cuda w/ non original drivetrain but have absolutely no wanting to have rebody of any kind around whether the original drivetrain was in it or not..

If I had the hypothetical but genuine real car, I'd hope to complete it as close to casting and date correct as possible but it would not include 'added' stampings regardless of how correct they may appear and without concern for any judging groups that allow extra points for such a thing..

Of your second scenario, I'd choose neither one as again I have no desire to own much less build either one being I consider both A & B as Rebody cars..

Whether others agree or not, I consider a genuine and unaltered car as one that's never had a Tag or Vin location disturbed and a 'Firewalled' car is a Rebody...regardless of original 'Vinned' parts being present or not..
If there's a need at resto or in the life of the car where the re/re of a Tag or intrusion of a Vin location is necessary, full disclosure of what's transpired should always be provided to any serious purchaser...without asking!.

PS - In the A/B choices, if there's another choice added where I can end up w/ the ZL1 parts but your condition of building a car is removed, I'm your man!.

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~ Pete

Re: Is this a rebody?
 

Whats the difference if it is a Dynacorn body or sheetmetal from the WalMart? Its a kit car IMO. May not be a rebody but.......?? Whats worth more, a 1000 pt. resto with repop sheetmetal or a 1000 pt. resto with all original sheetmetal?

Re: Is this a rebody?
 

If not considered a rebody, than I think an Extreme Make Over catagory might fit the bill.....Sometimes having parts of the original car in the finished project just makes your day........but that's just me...... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif undertaking what ever the call...

Re: Is this a rebody?
 

If you move the Vin # & trim tag to another car it's a rebody. Pretty dam simple. Duh!

Re: Is this a rebody?
 

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If you move the Vin # & trim tag to another car it's a rebody. Pretty dam simple. Duh!

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Yep but some others seem to have a totally opposite view...like those who leave the tags completely and absolutely alone (which of course obviously necessitates moving the body instead)?.

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~ Pete

Re: Is this a rebody?
 

If it was me, I would rebody a car in that condition. Whats more original, a car like the example with every piece of metal, except the firewall, replaced with Chinese metal OR a taking the tags and putting them on a GM ORIGINAL body?

Id rather have the body that GM welded together than one that Hillbilly Jim welded back together with a million miles of welding rod.

Re: Is this a rebody?
 

I believe the original posters question, is this a rebody? I would answer this as being pretty damn close! A collectible vehicle with that much extensive structural damage wouldn't have much appeal or value in my opinion.

Re: Is this a rebody?
 

How 'bout ... rebody*......

Re: Is this a rebody?
 

As I said before, the originally proposed project would not be a rebody under the Federal motor vehicle VIN statutes.

That means the guy doing it and the guy ownng it are not at risk of being arrested/prosecuted, and/or having the car seized as contraband in the way a VIN tag swap would most certainly be.

Otherwise this "rebody" argument will end up being more like the "survivor" term argument - everybody has their own opinion on an esoteric discussion topic with no true answer.

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Some people just don't seem to get it: if you take the VIN tag off of one body and put it on another body, IT IS A FELONY. It doesn't matter what your reason was, (restoration as compared to auto theft) - it still gets covered under the Federal chop-shop statutes. There is no restoration exemption.

Re: Is this a rebody?
 

Just for arguments sake, I'd like to mention a 70 or 71 Cuda that I remember helping my cousin work on in his small body shop back in the 80's....It was his own car.He had this original 318 car that had a CUDA hood but was really nice. It was stolen and when he got it back from the police the next week it had been stripped bare and was left on a train track and hit by a train...The rear of the car was wasted and the roof and floor was buckled..and the whole car was basically a bare shell...but this was his Dad's car originally and he was going to fix it. Sure enough, he cut the car to basically the same condition as this Camaro...with only the very front bird cage and cowl/dash and door jambs....he bought"another whole car"..as the parts were not even available back then. And I guess he did not remove the numbers from the original car...but he did use another car and fixed "his" car..or did he piece in the numbers from his car into another car???

My point is, if this Camaro was fixed using another car would it be a rebody??....I understand how the law is written, but I think any judge would understand if a person bought both cars to save one...the law should be based on bad intention..or fraud...If you save all of the original car that can be saved..even if it is just a small portion....you did not re-body the car...(of course it must have the part with the VIN) in my opinion....