Re: Question about a 69 Camaro on ebay
 

"It it an original SS 350, but long ago it had been converted into a drag racer and re-bodied. During the re-body, the original VIN tag was lost. The next owner wanted to use it on the street and had a new VIN tag placed on it (from a 6 cylinder car), and that is the VIN that it is
currently titled and registered under here in Florida.
The current owner took out all the drag racing components and completely restored it to original specs (with some mild performance upgrades and a better color was originally green), but it still has the VIN from some 6 cylinder car.
If you look at the firewall tag (click on one of the thumbnails), however, you will see that it is an X11 (SS350) code car."

If you could have him notarize the above statement I would be happy to forward it on to someone who would be equally happy to lock him up. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Re: Question about a 69 Camaro on ebay
 

I have forwarded the copy from my email from the guy along with a link to the auction on eBay to the Auto theft division of the Tallahassee Police Department. I noticed from the auction that Tallahassee was the region listed, atleast maybe they can find out whose jurisdiction the car is in. Don't know if we'll ever hear anything further. But, my quest is done. I can do no more. I just hope eBay doesn't pull the auction before the police can view it! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

Re: Question about a 69 Camaro on ebay
 

Wow, Bid up to $24,000 and change. I'm no expert but that seems a bit stiff for a SS-350 car, especially with the final non-garauntee of what the car may or may not be. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

Blair

Re: Question about a 69 Camaro on ebay
 

"I have been the inocent buyer of a car like that (a '65 vette) and Bill Mock in Bartlesville bought it from me and checked the frame # and it turned out to be a stolen car and the Police came and took the car. Period ...! They gave it back to the rightfull owner."

Especially after the earlier post I have pasted above. For that kind of money, I can find something documented that won't send me to jail or get confiscated! There really is one born every minute isn't there?

Re: Question about a 69 Camaro on ebay
 

Kind of makes me feel as though the emails and things I have tried to do to notify these people is for nothing?! Like cattle to the slaughterhouse.....just filing in! Nothing more that I can do but sit back and see how much people are willing to pay for this car. Kind of interesting, really. Not sure if people want the truth... if it looks good, who cares? Is that the philosophy?

Re: Question about a 69 Camaro on ebay
 

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If this is made out of a 6cyl...which it probably is...it would fit your bill perfectly...especially if you are not worried about numbers..too bad it didn't work out..

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BelAir, my thoughts exactly. This would have been the EXACT car I'm looking for had it not been for all the shenanigans (spelling?) about the VIN and trim tag. I do believe that both the VIN and trim tag are original to the car, I'm just unwillingly to do an internet deal with someone who is an unethical lying crook! If anybody finds another 69 a lot like this one for sale let me know! I hope this joker gets in trouble.

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Now what would really be funny would be if this car was stolen,and the cops went knocking on the door of the rightful owner and told them they have their stolen Camaro and the owner would be expecting a gren clapped out 6 banger and would be getting that car.That guy could steal my car for a few years if he promises to return it looking like that:)

Re: Question about a 69 Camaro on ebay
 

I saw this car in person a few weeks ago in Tallahassee and talked with the owner. If he was a great criminal mastermind, I don't think he would have published what he'd done wrong, (change vin) on the internet, or he may be thought the vin story would cover up a changed trim tag. If anyone has any questions on the quality of this car I would be happy to give you my opinion off line. I've done some dumb things out of ignorance before, as I'm sure most of you have. If you want to help the situation ask for the owners phone number and call him with your concerns and see if he'll do the right thing. Calling the local police department on someone who hasn't cost you a dime, easy Barney put your one bullet back in you pocket before some one gets hurt. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif mark

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I don't think the current broker has done anything wrong...you're right he woul dhave never openly stated the VIN swapping and such. However, IF there was something done that a previous owner is covering up....it does need to be checked before any more people could potentially be hurt. As it sounds right now, the car is two owners removed from the VIN swapping claimed. If any one of us had had our car stolen, we would expect all questionable cars be checked out. If there is no problem, then there are no problems. If there have been some creative marketing done with the VINs, that is against laws in multiple jurisdictions and should be reported. I have contacted the seller and urged him to "do the right thing", he as a reputable broker (by his own admission) should know that swapping VINs is illegal and should report it himself. He obviously isn't going to...
what now?

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Calling the local police department on someone who hasn't cost you a dime, easy Barney put your one bullet back in you pocket before some one gets hurt. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif mark

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Also sitting back and not wanting to "get involved" and let this car go on its merry way, is not doing the right thing either. The Federal laws that pertain to VIN swapping do not differentiate between whether it has been done out of ignorance or done with criminal intent: it is still illegal. If bringing this fact to the seller's attention causes him to 1) take it off the market 2) change the numbers back to what they were originally, or 3) allows the police to reunite a stolen car with its victimized owner, then we as concerned members of the hobby have done our civic duty https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif.