Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Rob,
We have found eight Douglass Yenkos, a few of these are needing restoration.

The quote from September of 1969 would be fresh in his mind, as opposed to an interview in 1987. Don's numbers happen to be very close to Jack's. If Don wanted to embelish he could have done better than 22 as Douglass Chevrolet out sold Yenko Chevrolet in total retail volume by a substantial margin.

What estate Document pegs Yenko Deuce Production at 350 or even Camaros at 500. These would be very significant documents if they indeed do exist.

I would agree with you that Don was known for invoking a bit of creative licence to obtain a desired outcome.

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

The exact same document that mentions the Douglass connection mentions the inflated build counts (500 & 350) of the other cars...I believe he gives a wildly high number for the Corvairs as well, but I have slept since I read the thing. If dad ever gets a second to sit down and post (we are swamped at work) then he could give some more details from the document. We have several documents, addressed to such people as the NHRA, AHRA, FIA, magazines, etc., where Don seemingly picked large numbers out of the air, for whatever reason.

So, did Jack order his batch of cars with the sole purpose of adding the stripes/emblems, or did this come about later for one reason or another?

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Marlin, you talk about one chance to buy a Yenko supercar...

69 Copo Camaro's are going for mid 80's today.(restored)price/ blasco car (guestimate
69 Yenko Camaro's (cannonsburg) 120 to 150 The best unrestored example(Brian/ Kevin) just traded bet. 160 and 200(guestimate)
69 Douglass Yenko ??? What's it worth to you Marlin?

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Where is Tom?
I read where Rob said he was in Indy,but it sure would be interesting to read if he has any other Letters or bulletins to ad to this debate.

Stefano
I look forward to attending the Mecum auction Nov.2nd.
Not so much about this Douglass/Copo/Yenko Camaro,but to look over Charlies LS-6 Convert.There is at least one more Triple black M-22,ZL-2,LS-6,Ragtop out there. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Marlin,
I was using an euphemisum. Yeah your real, a real pain in the *&&. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

What about Corpotate Books from Yenko Sports Cars Inc. or Yenko Chevrolet they could have special notations in the Corportate minutes as well as document the cash flow from Douglass to Yenko.

Do these books exist?

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Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

I have my sources and the have spotted Tom at a convention not to far (2 hours drive in a Douglass Yenko)from the Old Douglass Chevrolet [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

If I worked in the parts department I might remember having to ship 20 or so stripe kits,badges etc.they might know of the relasionship ?Any one we could ask?What about John Connelly he used to work there he might have knowledge?Warren's another good one.Just some leads.Stephano carpal tunnel yet? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Rob,
Jack was upset with the fact that Don Yenko had lead him to believe that in order to obtain one of the Yenko cars you had to go through him. No, Marlin it is not in writing anywhere.

Jack says that Don didn't come out and say it that direct but it was implied.

There were substantial floor plan and allocation credits which Don kept for his own dealership by passing the cars through Cannonsberg.

It was Jack's Discovery of the "Shippers" Which included both COPO order numbers which lead Jack to call GM direct.

Jack was in full Support of the Yenko Sports Car marketing Campaign and wanted to get back some of the business he had been loosing to Nickey Chevrolet.

He always intended to sell the cars as Yenkos.

The Yenko name meant more to Jack as a Roadracer than possibly to any of the eventual Douglass Yenko Buyers.

Jack had every intent to capitalize on the Yenko package which is why he agreed to take two truck loads of Yenkos and was one of the very first dealers to receive a shipment.

If Don hadn't left the shippers in two of the Camaros we would not be having this discusion.

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Where did Ed C. get the list of vin numbers for the Douglas cars? Ed states that one car may not have had the Yenko stripes but if Yenko sold 22 stripe kits and there was 25 cars maybe 3 did not get Yenko stripes. If this is true, which cars did not get the stripes? If you have a Yenko striped Douglas car and you dig into the history of it and find the original owner who says it never had Yenko stripes - it could be an unfortunate situation if the car was purchased at a Yenko price.

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Rick,
I gave them my files with some old advertisments, which they copied. We will get it correct for the catalogue, I hope.

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Stefano and Shor, restore your cars the way they came from the dealer, with the stripes and badges. In 1969 they were sold as Yenkos, today they should be recognized the same way. To me there is no difference in a Douglass Yenko and one from PA as they were authorized to add the emblems and stripes at both locations. Lets not forget they originated from the same source, Chevrolet, not Yenko. We cannot argue whether the business dealings between two men over 30 years ago were right or wrong when one of them is no longer alive. Would they even care about what happened then anyways? Don't think so.

If there is an advantage between the Douglass Yenkos and the Cannonsburg Yenkos it would have to go to the Douglass cars. More options and better color selection. I too would love to see a Garnet Red/Black stripe Yenko Camaro or even a Dusk Blue/white stripe car. When it comes to values of vehicles, let the market decide that. Who here would have given over $100k for a restored Yenko 5 years ago? Not many on this board, but most of us would love to find one under that price now. Same goes for Motion modified cars. I passed on one 10 years ago because of that, it was a modified car. Now I wish I had bought it as it being a "modified" car does not seem to bother anyone now.

The Bill Thomas/Nickey cars were brought up in an earlier reply and those cars will eventually fall into the same category as the Douglass cars. They were built in both locations but were sold as Nickey 427 Camaros, but not all of them. Some were never even delivered to Nickey nor were they invoiced to them. Does this make them any less desirable or valuable than ones sold out of Nickey Chevrolet? I think not and I bet some others will agree.

To paraphrase words of the immortal Gump :"that is all I got to say about that"................... [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] .................everyone have a good night...........RatPack.....................

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

JoeC,
Glad to see that you are paying attention to the details.

We have a Situation where an original owner purchased a Double COPO from Jack Douglass soon after it was delivered to the dealership and not Yet Striped or readied for sale as a Yenko.

The sales person closed the deal without Jack's prior knowledge/permission buy telling the customer he could have the car for $400.00 less than the price of the other Yenkos, with out the Yenko Package and the customer jumped at the deal. The sales person actually explained the Douglass/Yenko deal and why there was a $400.00 royalty due Don Yenko.

To this day Jack doesn't recall it ever taking place, but he and his general manager agreed that it could have happened.

I would call this the exception which proves the rule.

All the current authenticated/certified Douglass Yenkos have a history of having been striped/badged since new.

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Guys, here goes. Yes, I have a large amount of the paperwork from Yenko Chevrolet, including VIN numbers, as well as quite a bit fron Don's own stuff. I feel much of the information contained is accurate, but not all. I can only speculate as to why Don did this. As per Douglass, Rob has quoted the part that mentions the Douglass cars. This was taken from an article being done on Yenko Chevrolet. The draft I have is the one where Don edited it. At this point, that is all I have found on Douglass, except of course for the cars that are listed on the inventory sheets from Canonsburg, sold by Douglass.

I am not doubting that Jack was a Yenko dealer, nor that he bought stripes/emblems from Don for use on his COPOs, nor am I doubting that they were advertised/sold as Yenkos. Nor was I questioning Jack's or Stephano's integrity. That was never my intent. The point I wanted to make was this. In my opinion (sYc), these cars are not Yenkos in the same way as Canonsburg cars. They are Douglass COPOs with unique ties to Yenko, and should be listed as such, maybe with an * after COPO. Any of these cars that were sold new with Yenko stripes and/or emblems are entitled to do so now. I had hoped to see one of these special cars (Dover white one)at the reunion, but will have to wait until Shor brings his car next year. If it is shown with Yenko stripes and/or emblems, it will certaintly add to the event, which has become well known for the displaying of rare and unusual cars and related artifacts. Tom

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

How about Douglass Copo/Yenkos with an asterisk, or Douglass Yenko/Copos?

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RatPack-Wow!!Tom thats all I wanted to hear, recognize them for what they are ,I'll accept that.I can't wait to see Yenko items on a new color.Shor first one in line gets the goodies. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Douglass COPO/Yenko is fine with me. If the car had been listed this way on the auction site, I would not have made my original post. Tom

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Mike in your case Douglass/Copo Yenko that was driven by Nickey Chevrolet and did a burnout in the parking lot!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Tom,
What makes you think I still won't have my Dover White Douglass COPO*Yenko to bring to the reunion?

It will take more than Cannonsberg $$$,$$$.00 for me to cut it loose.

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

If you look at it from the point of view of the original owner, then they were under the impression they were buying a Yenko and it was being sold as a Yenko with Don's blessing, how can it not be a Yenko? It's a Yenko! But, it should still be labled as a Douglass Yenko vs a Canonsburg Yenko(which is a term that has just been made up recently). They're both Yenko's. Now for the potential investor that wants to buy a Yenko, either car will do as long as they know the details. Some people prefer one car or the other. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] I'd like either but I can't afford one so it's a moot point.

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Troy,
You post has brought tears to my eyes. I will change my estate trust document and give you first right of refusal on the purchase of any Douglass Car I may have at the time [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Find me a Dusk blue one and you can call it whatever the hell you want !!!! My Chevelle is a very rare COPO Lillard Yenko.



1969 California built Chevelle COPO*/Lillard*/Yenko*/

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>
Tom,
What makes you think I still won't have my Dover White Douglass COPO*Yenko to bring to the reunion?

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Not to be nosey, but how come you didn't bring it with you to Collinsville this year?

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Stefano
Ater reading all that has been written here about this subject,I think it is safe to say that the Douglass COPO/Yenko Camaros....Have earned thier Stripes,Literally!

To say"if Jack Douglass didn't find those Shipper labels with the COPO numbers on them,none of this would have ever happened",<font color="red">IS A GROSS UNDERSTATEMENT!</font color>

Now is it possible to find out which cars were the ones that Jack actually found the shippers in that started this whole mess? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Were their Douglass COPO/Yenko Chevelles that were included in this as well?

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Marlin then I want my duece to be a hurst performance yenko from MarveMinneman only one came with hurst wheels......................... [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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Tom,
I don't think you are being nosey but I thought I explained as I had to many others.

It was a case were I had loaned my trailer to a good freind and neighbor as well as site member to store one of his cars as he expands his garage.

Due to circumstances beyond his control. I was not able to get my trailer back (plan A). The one I lined up was three car open and the weather was very bad (plan b).

Next, I had one more shot at getting another one which was a long 30 footer and parked in the middle of a tight circle drive. When we went to hook the truck to the trailer I would have had to drive accross some very wet and expensive landscaping. The weather was still bad and no sway bars on the trailer. I never tow without one. That was (plan C)

So we left empty handed with the thought that someone else could bring it down Saturday for the cruise and that plan failed as well. I was still happy to be there even without the car.

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Now I get it..Stefano has no car.. This is all just a very long Joke. Ever notice that you never see Stefano and Marlin at the same time ? Hmmmmm....

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Stefano, if it will truly take more than Canonsburg $$$,$$$ for you to part with your car, why are you auctioning it? Seems like a waste of time, unless you truly are getting that appearance fee of free beer or $$$$. Maybe there will be someone there that hasn't read this thread and thinks the bastard child really is a legitimate heir. When I send a car to an auction, I send it to sell and I attend two auctions a week. Good luck, hey, maybe Charlie Sheen or Mr. October will be there. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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I looked up the Mecum Auction Lot # 309 and almost split my coffee on my keyboard! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] The picture shows a white Camaro with hockey stick stripes. Here is the ad.........
1969 Chevrolet Camaro Yenko
1 of 2 white Yenkos.
This car was sold new at Jack Douglas Chevrolet in Chicago. Recently the C.O.P.O Yenko Registry has accepted the Douglas Cars to be true Yenkos.
All this posting about Yenko stripes and the car doesn't even have Yenko stripes on it? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] Who is the "C.O.P.O Yenko Registry" ? Is Mecum talking about ED C. or Tom C.? I thought Tom C. said he does not think of this car as a "true Yenko" as the ad states. Does Ed C. say that Yenko made white Yenko Camaros? Yenko only used 6 colors and white was not one of them.
This looks like false advertising to me.

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Just when you thought it was over.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Joe, have you not been reading this post? It is not only the stripes that has been of concern but the whole package and the fact that these cars were sold new as Yenko Camaros. Lets not get into more bashing of this topic. <ul type="square"> <font color="green"> Does Ed C. say that Yenko made white Yenko Camaros? Yenko only used 6 colors and white was not one of them.
This looks like false advertising to me.[/list]</font color>
The color issue is what makes these cars unique, they were not limited to the six colors that Yenko ordered because Jack Douglass circumvented the system. White is a correct color for a Yenko Camaro sold new at Jack Douglass Chevrolet. As far as false advertising, there is nothing stated that is not true to the car. Now I too was surprised about the hockey stick stripes, but hey they look good. So do the Yenko stripes on the other white car in Florida.

It sounds like from replies last night that the consensus is a Jack Douglass built Yenko is a Yenko. Great to see that this discussion will end soon?............... [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

Stefano, if this does not sell you can send it down here and I will be glad to keep it for you until first right of refusal, just tell your lawyers where it is at.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]...................RatPack.......................


photo credit goes to Mecum Auctions &amp; Stefano

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Stefano,
I had looked at this car when it was for sale in WI.The seller told me it was a Douglas copo.He also told me it was never striped as a Yenko.How can you be so sure he is wrong?
If Don sold them 22 stripe sets did some get used on Chevelles?Do you think the copos sold with out stripes were Douglas/Yenkos?Earl

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

You guys have got to be kidding me.

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

That's the point who's kidding who?

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Here we go again, I spoke to Dana on several occassions, in order to modify the info. on his site .It is not meant to decieve and will hopefully be adjusted very soon.

There is a great deal of work involved with setting up one of these auctions and he and his crew are working literally around the clock.

Anyone who chooses to bid will have access to all the accurate info. needed prior to the auction.

Out of repect to sYc ,I will refer to the Douglass cars both Camaros and Chevelles per the instructions on this site and if sYc would like to remove the link to the Mecum site, I will not have a problem with it.

I will however not refer to any of these special cars as anything less than what they are, to please anyone.

I have secured an unbiased ,professional legal rendered opinion on the topic. (no ,I will not disclose it, get your own or purchase the car it goes with the car.)

I have stated on many occassions that my Dover White Yenko was restored and presented as a Berger Car per the info Vince Emme provided to the previous owner. I have only cleaned it up, added a few items original to the car and enjoyed it for approx. 1,000 miles this past summer.

They didn't even have any idea that it was a Jack Douglass Car at the time. It was only once an NICB report was run that it was known to have been delivered to Jack Douglass Chevrolet.

Earl,
I don't mind the question unless you qustion the validity of my statements.

I introduced the owner of that car who also happens to have owned numerous other Yenkos to Jack Douglass. He knew nothing of the Douglass COPO*Yenko story untill he heard it first from me and then Jack himself.

It was 100% up to him as what to do with the info. Some people will do anything, even change an original Yenko to aviod controversy(but that is another story)

Jack even commented about how well the stripes matched the scheme of the Dover White/ Black vinyl top cars how he could have sold more than the two he did.

I was the high bidder when he ran the car at auction years ago, as the number of people who new the Douglass story and were present could have been counted on your fingers at the time.

While many may have, I hid nothing from the seller about the Douglass Story , in which Jack says that all his COPOs were sold as Yenkos (save for the one exception which proves the rule and it was a Hugger Orange COPO which Jack wasn't aware of ).

The previous owner had told me on many occassions that it was not one of the Douglass Yenkos simply because Vince Emme had said so and Vince had a list of the "Douglass Yenkos" as well.

That was his arguement to me, and contrary to what Jack Douglass Himself had told the previous owner.

I had looked at the car a few years back, and data based the pertinant numbers, but never needed to search for evidence that the car had Yenko emblems as all were to have been sold that way. I had even resolved not to call this car by its true name untill there was more evidence provided.

ssl78 came with me when I went to pick it up. Since the car has all its original sheet metal but for one door skin, it still maintains all its since filled, body piercings for the Yenko emblems in the correct Douglass location/ fashion and it was ssl78 who pointed this out to me infront of the previous owner who had never even bothered to look and was very surprised.

When the seller Dug out his notes from discussions with prior owners,written by his own hand ,the notes also mentioned that it was striped and badged prior to the first repaint. He had thought that the notes belonged to another one of his prior cars and was surprised to see the info. in his own hand writting from many years ago. (He had this car for some time).

On another note the auction is not a "NO RESERVE" auction and has never been represented as such. None of the cars I am running are listed as NO RESERVE.

Yes they are all really for sale, but must meet my minimun financial objective. If you do not understand this format, don't agree with the way the cars are represented or believe my statements ,then do not bid on the cars. (This is not e-bay)

Re: 1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

Stefano,
Thanks for your answers to my questions.It is a very nice car.Earl

Re: 1969 Douglas Yenko
 

We were voting? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
I've known about the Douglas cars for about 4-5 years now, after being made aware of them by another member of this board.

I agree that Douglas Yenkos are Yenkos that were authorized by Yenko and built and striped with his consent. The corroborated evidence show that Don and Jack agreed that Jack could order the cars, apply the Yenko striping, and market them as Yenkos.

What is a Yenko anyway? My definition would be: A COPO that was specially decalled as a Yenko and marketed as such. They basically were a marketing ploy for a special model.
The Douglas Yenko cars clearly fit that definition. The car supported the marketing and they were authorized and supported by Yenko. I can't see that it matters if they were striped in PA or IL.
BTW, nice research on the Douglas cars, Stefano.

Attached is a pic of my 69 BB, didn't realize I had a Douglas Yenko til now. But the POP says Georgia??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Re: 1969 Douglas Yenko
 

Kurt,
You can have the first authorized official Jack Douglass COPO*Yenko Camaro replica! Cool car, what engine?

Can we get an official rendering from CRG on the topic, or maybe a concenssus?

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Kurt;
QUOTE: "corroborated evidence show that Don and Jack agreed". "The car supported the marketing and they were authorized and supported by Yenko".

What corroberating evidence of an agreement are you referring to? I have yet to see any evidence??

QUOTE: "What is a Yenko anyway? My definition would be:..." I would add to your definition that the car was ordered by and MSO'd to Yenko Chev. just like a Baldwin Motion car was ordered by and MSO'd to Baldwin Chev.

Re: 1969 Douglas Yenko
 

We understand the distinction between a Motion Car and a Baldwin /Motion car. They are similar yet different and the sequence of events which seperates the two are not in question.

Evidence can be other than written. Written evidence can also be wrong or misstated or even slanted. This will also apply to vailid business contracts. I would say some of the evidence was emperical.

The market today has established that one is more valuable in a similar situation than the other, but that gap is closing ,as any cars which Joel Rosen built are both desirable and rare and maintain a unique and important part of Super Car History.

Is a Motion car not a Super Car in your eyes because it does not have an MSO from Baldwin. Or a Harrell car from Gibb or Courtesy not a Super car because the MSO was not to Harrell?