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1967 Camaro SS convertible show car
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Does anyone have any info on this particular injected 1967 Camaro SS? I ran across a bunch of high-res pics (not this one obviously!) and can't find any info.
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1967 Camaro SS convertible show car
That's the Cherokee, note the front plate also THE coolest hood ever! Looks like an early picture before the Hood Tach was added? The car exists and current owners may like the pics if something new to them, here's a link to a thread here from a few years back... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...;Number=474464 [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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Apparently there were 2 of them, one in red with the white stripe one in brandy metallic with gold pins, the brandy metallic car was bought by Augie Pabst and was on display at MCACN 2013.
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It is part of the Brothers Collection now and was restored by Charley Hutton.
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Anyone know the whereabouts of the red and white one?
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Thank you guys! I'm a little embarrassed, I had photos of this car from the MCACN show, and I just didn't recognize it! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/blush.gif[/img]
The old photos I have show the car with different wheels, and there are a few minor differences under the hood. Mike |
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Great pic! I have not seen that one prior, but do have pictures of that Cherokee at the Chicago auto show, Circa January of 1967. The Cherokee in the Brother's Collection is a later built car and the only known Cherokee to exist. Their car had an L78 engine and was used to Pace the CanAM race at Road America in 1967.
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Also used at Bridgehampton for the Can-Am race, but it had different wheels than what the current resto shows. This is the one without the nose stripe.
Mike |
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Mom always liked you best..
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Nice Smothers brothers reference
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1967 Camaro SS convertible show car
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Great pics, Pete! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]
Here's a few more original photos. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] Mike |
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W[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif[/img]W pics Mike also it appears to be the other car/different than the one in your first post? Cool too is the MA-7051 plate confirms it's the pace car used at the '67 Can-Am races. Anyone know which of the two ragtops is the surviving example or anything of the bumperless coupe below w/ Cherokee hood? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...8801-image.jpg - |
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The first Cherokee had a larger filler cap that said SS396 on it. The cap was recessed into the rear panel and there was no room for the trunk lock. Also, the cap hinged at the bottom rather than at the top, as seen on the later one.
Some of this was discussed previously in this CRG thread back in 2013... CRG thread |
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Epic photos.
The SS with the Cherokee style hood, often called a Cherokee as well, but I have never seen that car associated with the Cherokee name. It was advertised, I believe, in HOT ROD magazine, in a colorized picture,on a trailer being pulled by a '67 C10 pick up, with SS nose stripe and hidden headlight grill in matching colors. The other pics are of the existing Cherokee, now in the Brother's collection. Corvette wheels were installed by the prior owner to simulate the turbine wheel look as the only way to get the correct wheels is to have them custom made......unless someone knows where a set it at? |
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That yellow Camaro on the trailer with the Cherokee-style hood was called the Californian, but in the article below they call it the Camaro 350. It had special side exit exhaust that appears to have been a casting. The yellow truck with the concealed headlights was called the Golden Cameo.
Notice that the original red Cherokee has a custom molded cover for the convertible top well that the second car lacks. |
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There was a 3rd 1967 Camaro show car called the Cabriolet that was shown with the Cherokee and the Californian but I have not seen much info on it
One Camaro book describes it as "A pearl blue SS-396 convertible called "Cabriolet" was fitted with heavy-duty suspension and engine mounts, and other high-performance components, plus simulated air scoops on the hood." |
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Here's a nice, clear shot of the car pacing the 1967 Can-Am field. Also a great example of why so many love the old Can-Am Series. Jim Hall's #66 Chaparral was always my favorite.
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Didn't they try their damndest to outlaw the wing? Rumor was the car was protested everytime it showed up to race.
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truck, trailer and camaro again...
[img]https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...8_4751_8c20_6f[/img] |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't they try their damndest to outlaw the wing? Rumor was the car was protested everytime it showed up to race. </div></div>
The Chaparral 2E was Jim Hall's favorite (and mine too). The car displayed Jim Hall's brilliance with aerodynamics, and would usher in a new age of motor racing. The wing was the opposite of an aircraft wing. It generated downforce instead of lift. The pedestals were attached directly to the rear suspension, not the body. Hall moved the cooling radiators from the nose to the side pods. The rear wing was controlled by a foot pedal, placed where a clutch pedal would normally be in other race cars (Chaparral used auto transmissions). Jim Hall could flatten the wing angle for straightwaways, and angle it for braking or in corners. It was brilliant. By 1968, wings of various designs began appearing on Can-Am, USAC, and Formula 1 cars. Mike |
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Does the Yellow Camaro still exist? Where is OJ Simpson 1969 SS396 Camaro or Jean Claude Killys custom Camaro?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StealthBird</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't they try their damndest to outlaw the wing? Rumor was the car was protested everytime it showed up to race. </div></div>
The Chaparral 2E was Jim Hall's favorite (and mine too). The car displayed Jim Hall's brilliance with aerodynamics, and would usher in a new age of motor racing. The wing was the opposite of an aircraft wing. It generated downforce instead of lift. The pedestals were attached directly to the rear suspension, not the body. Hall moved the cooling radiators from the nose to the side pods. The rear wing was controlled by a foot pedal, placed where a clutch pedal would normally be in other race cars (Chaparral used auto transmissions). Jim Hall could flatten the wing angle for straightwaways, and angle it for braking or in corners. It was brilliant. By 1968, wings of various designs began appearing on Can-Am, USAC, and Formula 1 cars. Mike</div></div> If I remember right, those two transmissions were about the same as used on the Pontiacs (installed in back?) TAZ |
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Weber carbs...not injected.
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Among all the cool features on the Cherokee, it has a L78 with TH400
They made 50 COPO 375hp TH400 Chevy IIs in 1968 but Chevy didn't make a L78 375HP auto trans Camaro RPO until 1969 |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StealthBird</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't they try their damndest to outlaw the wing? Rumor was the car was protested everytime it showed up to race. </div></div>
The Chaparral 2E was Jim Hall's favorite (and mine too). The car displayed Jim Hall's brilliance with aerodynamics, and would usher in a new age of motor racing. The wing was the opposite of an aircraft wing. It generated downforce instead of lift. The pedestals were attached directly to the rear suspension, not the body. Hall moved the cooling radiators from the nose to the side pods. The rear wing was controlled by a foot pedal, placed where a clutch pedal would normally be in other race cars (Chaparral used auto transmissions). Jim Hall could flatten the wing angle for straightwaways, and angle it for braking or in corners. It was brilliant. By 1968, wings of various designs began appearing on Can-Am, USAC, and Formula 1 cars. Mike </div></div> I found myself in Midland, TX for work 3 weeks ago. There is a petroleum museum there that features a Chaparral gallery. All of the Chaparral cars are on display, including the 1970 "turbine" car. It was really cool to see them all in person. They were a lot smaller than I imagined. Had to be one heck of a rush driving something that small with a 430 ci Can Am BBC sitting 2 ft behind you. If you are ever in Midland, it's a "must see" for any muscle-car era GM enthusiast. |
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Didn't they use a MAC chainsaw engine to drive that hugh turbine fan? Sucked it down to the track - was probably outlawed quickly ...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JoeC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Among all the cool features on the Cherokee, it has a L78 with TH400
They made 50 COPO 375hp TH400 Chevy IIs in 1968 but Chevy didn't make a L78 375HP auto trans Camaro RPO until 1969</div></div> The cowl tag for the second car showed it began life as an L35 325hp car with TH400. I think the original red-on-red one was a 4-speed. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't they use a MAC chainsaw engine to drive that hugh turbine fan? Sucked it down to the track - was probably outlawed quickly ... </div></div>
Pics of that machine ... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...parral_2j1.jpg https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...parral_2j2.jpg https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...parral_2j3.jpg |
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Awesome photos of the Chaparral 2J! Thanks for posting!
The 2J was actually a Chevrolet Test Vehicle. At the end of the 1969 Can-Am season, the governing body was concerned about all the flippers, movable wings, and other knick-knacks being developed, so they banned "movable aerodynamic devices" for the 1970 season. That left Chaparral up the creek without a paddle, because Jim Hall based their entire operation on aerodynamics, wings, and innovation. Jim Hall worked closely with Chevrolet on engine development and suspension technology. One day when visiting the Chevrolet engineers, he explained the new Can-Am rules and how it would affect Chaparral. They showed him this test vehicle they were using that created artificial downforce by pulling the air out from under the car, creating a vacuum that would suck the entire body to the track. Jim Hall asked if he could borrow it to study, and to his surprise, Chevrolet told him to just take the car. Hall had to make it race worthy, but he knew he would have an enormous advantage over the McLarens if he could make this odd looking shoebox of a vehicle reliable enough to endure a Can-Am race. When it first appeared, drivers and crews all walked down pit lane to examine it. They said the two-stroke engines that operated the fans in back would fire up, making a loud, steady whine. They watched in disbelief as the entire car then squatted down a couple inches. Then they fired up the Chevy V8, then drove out on the track. It was ridiculously fast. The McLaren team had absolutely dominated Can-Am for the past few years. In fact, in 1969, they came in 1-2 at every single race (seriously, all 11 races of the 1969 season). There was no catching them. But during qualifying, it was obvious this Chaparral 2J was not on the same planet as the other cars. Bruce McLaren was pushing as hard as he could to get pole position, to the point of crashing. And during a practice session, McLaren was taking a sweeping corner as fast he he could, and the Chaparral 2J went around McLaren, on the OUTSIDE of the turn. Crew members said that McLaren came into the pits, jumped out his car, and threw his helmet in frustration. The 2J was proving to be almost 2 seconds a lap faster than the rest of the field. Teams protested (McLaren the loudest) that Chaparral violated the rules about "movable aerodynamic devices". The 2J had Lexan skirts (which you can see in the excellent photos above) that rode on slider rollers. When the car was sucked down, the Lexan pieces maintained a tight seal against the road. McLaren claimed these were "movable aerodynamic devices" which violated the rules. The teams held a meeting WITHOUT Jim Hall and the Chaparral Team. McLaren stated that if Chaparral were allowed to continue, they would dominate the series (an odd thing to say, considering McLaren had totally dominated the series up to this point). The Can-Am governing body sided with McLaren, and the Chaparral 2J was banned. Jim Hall and Chaparral left the Can-Am series in disgust, and never came back. With innovation now strangled, Chaparral out of the picture, and the untimely death of Bruce McLaren, the Can-Am series died in 1974. |
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The one disappointing thing about the Chaparral exhibit in Midland, TX is that none of the displays mentioned anything about the Chevrolet Engineering connection.
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It certainly doesn't have the "look" of the orange big block McLaren's.
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1967 Camaro SS convertible show car
Just came upon the below B&W Cherokee picture I had saved in my system somewhere in the past, cool too is besides the Cherokee and XP/Astro, the 'Golden Cameo' pickup is in the same shot. Also if it works, the bottom auto show color pic is the shot 300deluxe tried posting here previously. Lastly if anyone cares, the 'sucker car' remote engine is a 2-stroke JLO-760, one of my 1970 factory racing sleds has the same engine but converted to free air cooling for less weight/rotating mass. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...9469-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...9470-image.jpg - |
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