L89 Nova???????
 

In this month's issue of the Dupont Registry is listed for sale an L89 Nova...it says 6 were made and 2 are known...I know I read a post about this prior, but is it definitely confirmed that these cars exist?? Are there documented examples?

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WHAT YEAR NOVA ANY PICS https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Its a 70 Nova...and there is a pic..its silver w, black vinyl and black bench seat, radio delete, M-21, 4.10.

Not my car..but if anyone is interested...
Call Rich 561 702 5400

anyone know the car?

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http://www.dupontregistry.com/largei...C-12-05633.jpg

1970 Chevrolet Nova SS L-89
1970 CHEVROLET NOVA SS L-89. 396/375 hp, documentation. 1 of 6 produced by General Motors. The car has a body off restoration, painted in its original Cortez Silver, Black vinyl top, Black interior bench seat, radio delete. Original quarters. Equipped with its L-89 package, M-21 Muncie four speed transmission, 12 bolt posi, 4;10 gear ratio. One of two known in existence. A beautiful investment piece being offered. Please call web page

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I was told that the pic of the car is a toy. Look at the pic there isnt any back ground and it looks like a toy. And no outher pics of the car.

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The old Dupont ad is still alive from when we were looking at this car here before and it includes an under-hood pic..

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~ Pete

http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/...?itemid=472228

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Dang, the details of those new models is impressive! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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I wonder how much a model like that costs? Even has the battery disconnect switch and all the tags under the hood ...

Franklin Mint?


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I wonder what the documentation is for the car.?

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Jim, it comes with the receipt from Toys "R" Us and limited production card from Ertl.

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I still say they never made one.

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I wonder what the documentation is for the car.?

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says it has protecto-plate and all #'s match...and that there is another that exists....so? is it real? do they exist? I assume Chevy lists a motor code for this Combo??
Is it JJ like the 69 Camaro??? And didn't they make an L-89 Chevelle?

If its real or not, sure woud like to take it for a spin!!!

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I still say they never made one.

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Don't sugar coat it Howie, tell us what you really think https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Anything is possible, but I have my suspicions and doubts...

Rich

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Two words............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............. ownership + history

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If it is real or not I can not say, but haven't you boys learned by now to never say never? ha

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Does a gentleman in Florida own this car?

Lets see the protect-o-plate

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It seems like we talk about the same cars over and over sometimes:

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat...true#Post330582

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It would seem to me the black L-89 is more believeable to me than the cortez silver car.Whats more interesting to me ;is why these car never surfaced before ;until recently.Chris teed

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yeah Howie...have another drink...er two https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I still say they never made one.

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yeah Howie...have another drink...er two https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Mr. Howie was not drinking when he made this statement as he and I had just finished a phone conversation about this, and various subjects of great importants. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

Again, there are no known L89 novas that have been verified beyond a shadow of a doubt. No known original owners with verifiable docs. None.

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One thing that I have learned with these cars is to never say never....I for one would take the opinion that the car may be real until proven otherwise...I believe that we here in America are innocent until proven guilty???

Not to change the subject, but I seem to recall an LS-6 conv. with aluminum heads that had the build sheet. It was in a magazine some years ago...if I recall the motor was out of the car and hurtin', but it was all there...I think the story goes that the car was ordered as an L89, but by then the LS-6's were being produced, so the car came through as an LS-6/L-89..I think it was a black car?? This is going from memory...I hope my Alzheimers is not kicking in...hehe...I'm sure someone hear knows about it....was that car real??? What ever happened to that car??

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I think the story goes that the car was ordered as an L89, but by then the LS-6's were being produced, so the car came through as an LS-6/L-89

Are you saying that the car came thru with 842 Heads on it??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

Ken

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One thing that I have learned with these cars is to never say never....I for one would take the opinion that the car may be real until proven otherwise...I believe that we here in America are innocent until proven guilty???

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I hope you don't take that attitude on a trip to Scottsdale.

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There are documented 70 L78, and LS6 chevelles including the convert you mention. All with 842 heads. Your memory is fine.
While I sincerly believe in the never say never mantra, in the case of novas, the proof lies with the person making the claim. They must prove beyond any doubt with adequate evidence, that it was "born" at the factory that way. When you're talking the holy Grail of novas, you need all the legs of proof. From the window sticker/invoice, original owner information, correct mechanical configuration. etc.
It's a big deal.

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There are documented 70 L78, and LS6 chevelles including the convert you mention. All with 842 heads. Your memory is fine.


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Whoa, whoa, whoa...not doubting you a bit, but did I sleep through this somewhere? Are you saying there are *legit* '70 LS6 Chevelles out there with aluminum heads? I thought the alum heads were a '71 LS6 'Vette thing? Sounds like a new setup for Pure Stock! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

And the mention of the 842 heads is important...this isn't always as simple as a head exhange...the pistons/heads have to match (open/closed chamber), and the rest of the crank/rod assembly has to match the piston (counter weight on crank, pin configuration)...which means diggin' into the engine.

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I have never seen any doc's on either car. Show me the doc's. As I have said before of the Gibb 50 nova's we have found 20+ But there is 311 alm. head nova's there should at least 100 of them found by now. JMO https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...BruceRocks.gif

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I hope you don't take that attitude on a trip to Scottsdale.

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As a youngster I had my fair share of days in court and it was up to the state to prove my guilt...I believe the same goes for the collector car market...before I buy any car, I personally must prove or disprove the authenticity of the claims and/or legitamacy of the car I am buying for me to feel comfortable before I buy it...in this day and age, there are so many resources..this being one of the best https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif ....that anyone that gets duped by an unscrupulous seller can blame noone but themselves!!

I don't feel that anyone has to "prove" the authenticity of thier car to the whole world if they don't want...

it is unfortunate what has happened in this collector car market..the fault being $$$$$...but, I like to try and initilally think the cup is half full...not half empty...
I just think there is too much negatitivity in the world today...

I have seen a few cars/owners get trashed on this and/or other sites before anyone has even seen the evidence/docs... only to eventually be proven that the car was authentic...

...no offense to anyone here or on any other site, because I think these sites are awesome...just my opinion..

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"Not to change the subject, but I seem to recall an LS-6 conv. with aluminum heads that had the build sheet."

That LS-6 Chevelle Convertible was just that,and not an LS-6/L-89.
Bill Clement at ChevyCraft in Tex. was the one who owned it and made that claim at that time.The paperwork was doctored to reflect the Al. Head option,and soon disproven.
That car was orginally sold here new at Dick Wickstrom Chevrolet in Roselle,Il.back during 1970.
I don't believe any 1970 LS-6 Chevelle was assembled w/L-89 Al.Heads from the factory.

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there seems to be a difference of opinion....so sre there any documented...without a doubt...LS-6/L-89 Chevelles???

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None that I know of.
Lets be clear we're talking FACTORY assembled cars here,not Dealer or OTC installed.

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Recently Ive had numerous conversations with Fran Preve of the Tonawanda engine foundry regarding just this subject. He to this day still holds the plant production records from that era.

According to Fran and I quote "The Tonawanda engine plant kept VERY accurate records on engines built during each model year. These "Summeries of Engines Built" list EVERY engine we built by assembly number and description. This number crossed over to a suffix code so from them I could determine how many of each SUFFIX CODE we built. Sometimes, as in the case of the L-89 engines built, I had further records. In these cases it was "engine canceled, not replaced" and then a date.

In the case of the L-89 engines in 1970, in October 1969 the L-89 option was canceled, not replaced. there were (off hand) 18 L78/L89 engines built before the option was canceled. As far as the LS6/L89 NONE WERE BUILT. Period. In model year 1970 NO aluminum head LS6 engines were built. In 1971 there were 200 LS6 engines built and put into Corvettes, ALL were aluminum head (due to the lowered compression ratio).

I've spent many years researching big block production (ALL big blocks). I'm always open to new information, DOCUMENTED AND IRRIFUTABLE. But if anyone wants to contradict me they'd better have better records than I do!"

I trust Fran knows what he is talking about and has investigated all his documents from Tonawanda.

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"Not to change the subject, but I seem to recall an LS-6 conv. with aluminum heads that had the build sheet."

That LS-6 Chevelle Convertible was just that,and not an LS-6/L-89.
Bill Clement at ChevyCraft in Tex. was the one who owned it and made that claim at that time.The paperwork was doctored to reflect the Al. Head option,and soon disproven.
That car was orginally sold here new at Dick Wickstrom Chevrolet in Roselle,Il.back during 1970.
I don't believe any 1970 LS-6 Chevelle was assembled w/L-89 Al.Heads from the factory.

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The article I read was from years ago on the LS6 842 chevelles. They claimed at the time there may have been 3 I believe. The article talked about how Chevrolet had an issue with doing it as the LS6 was a new motor using old 842 head design.
Now perhaps It's the same car that Rick P. mentions as having bogused docs. But the main subject matter of it all delt with unusually optioned cars not just L89 options. Options like liquid tire chain, optic fibre, etc. Seemed like it was a Super Chevy(not always the last word in absolutes.)
If Rick N. says he believes there are none until proven so, I would agree with him.
As far as novas again, they present a different problem in authenticating as there is no specific suffix code for an L89 application as there is for Camaros, Chevelles, or Corvettes. That's why if there ever were any, you would need verifiable paperwork, or a credible original owner.I understand that it sucks that original owners sometimes get "encouragement money" to remember things that weren't, or bogused docs. But unless you want to pay big money for something that isn't you'll need to be very careful.

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I have the article on the "LS6 w/ Aluminum Heads" at home and will post it tonight.

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Why did they still use closed chamber heads in 1970? The open chamber heads had been around for awhile. It made more power and got better results with the smog regulations. In 1971 did they use an open chamber head with a closed chamber piston to lower the compression?
Mark Sheppard

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Why did they still use closed chamber heads in 1970? The open chamber heads had been around for awhile. It made more power and got better results with the smog regulations. In 1971 did they use an open chamber head with a closed chamber piston to lower the compression?

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I'm not sure it necessarily made more power apples-apples...today's Pro Stock engines aren't open chambered, quite the opposite...tiny, tiny chambers with a huge quench area. With an open chamber, to get any kind of compression you're talking a BIG dome, which means more weight in the piston, which means a heavier pin, which means a heavier rod, which means a heavier counterweight...that's a lot of *heavier* components, and these engines were already struggling with rods/bolts living as it was. Anyway, that's enough rambling from me...

IIRC, the 074s (L88, ZL1, '71 LS6) I believe were the only open chamber production BBC stuff...top shelf stuff indeed, but old technology as well.

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I have never seen any doc's on either car. Show me the doc's. As I have said before of the Gibb 50 nova's we have found 20+ But there is 311 alm. head nova's there should at least 100 of them found by now. JMO https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...BruceRocks.gif

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Since we are on the subject about L89 heads, has anybody ever questioned this 311 # for L89 cars made?
311 Camaros, 311 Chevelles...etc... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Mike

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"Not to change the subject, but I seem to recall an LS-6 conv. with aluminum heads that had the build sheet."

That LS-6 Chevelle Convertible was just that,and not an LS-6/L-89.
Bill Clement at ChevyCraft in Tex. was the one who owned it and made that claim at that time.The paperwork was doctored to reflect the Al. Head option,and soon disproven.
That car was orginally sold here new at Dick Wickstrom Chevrolet in Roselle,Il.back during 1970.
I don't believe any 1970 LS-6 Chevelle was assembled w/L-89 Al.Heads from the factory.

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I remember that car going through the B-J auction with the heads in the trunk some years ago. I heard that person did a lot of doctoring ... on lots of things

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Since we are on the subject about L89 heads, has anybody ever questioned this 311 # for L89 cars made?
311 Camaros, 311 Chevelles...etc... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Mike

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I always thought that was a mix up since both cars shared the same engine codes. I can't imagine they made exactly 311 of each.

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Chevy High Performance, August 1995...

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