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I just wanted to let everyone know that Yes the State of California is letting people put Black Plates back on cars. I just had black plates issued to my 66 Chevelle. The only major question they had was that the plates were stamped 63 which was the date stamped in all black plates. After my conversation with the manager they finished the paperwork. Although I am happy to have them, it sure will change the status of "original black plate car". This will cause the next big cloud over buying or selling a Ca. black plate car!
I just wanted to pass on the news. Have A Great Fourth of July to all of the SYC members!!!!! Dave L. SoCal |
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Yep, now there will be a wave of "revisionist history" with cars getting "original" black CA plates. Now the question will be if a seller/flipper has old registrations for the car that prove its black-plate heritage. I guess overall it's a good thing though. With my '55, it got its black plates in '63 and if I wanted to re-register it there I could put them back on and avoid the specific 1955 YOM requirement. But yes, "black plate car" will now lose some of its cache.
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Yeah, but the good news, boys, is that this nifty revenue generator will probably bring CA out of the <font color="red"> RED </font> and into the <font color="black"> BLACK </font>! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif
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Sam,
Actually to my surprise there was No Charge!!!! Dave L. SoCal |
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It is a shame that they cut off the program to 1969 and earlier. Did the DMV require you to have 2 plates? Dave, how does the program work?
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It is the same YOM(Year of Manufacturer) program it has always been from what I understand. You bring the plates in and the DMV makes sure they are clear. Clear means they are not in use or the plate number is not registered to a motorcycle. My understanding is the reason black and gold plates were not allowed as YOM plates earlier is because bikes used that sequence. All you have to do to see if a car has its original plates is to look at a registration or title prior to 2009. I've been saving up black and golds for just this reason. I have a few cars that have been begging to get them back.
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Hi Mark,
Yes you needed 2 plates and filled out some simple paperwork. The biggest problem is you must go to the DMV. The AAA can not do it as I went there first. I sent you a PM because we need to talk/talk. Later Buddy, Dave L. SoCal |
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It is a shame that they cut off the program to 1969 and earlier. Did the DMV require you to have 2 plates? Dave, how does the program work? Mark Sheppard [/ QUOTE ] Mark, you will also need a MY reg tag of the car-if Dave didn't need one he slipped through the gauntlet(most clerks are clueless to these) . These YOM programs are limited to the specific series of period plates issues by DMV. Congressmen usually initiate a bill that gets voted on and made into legislation(and as broke as this state is best beleive the blue base will be a shoe in shortly) Black plates were 63-69,blue came in "officially" in July 70. One cool thing is you can put them on trucks(Cal commercial plates) all the way up to 72,as they phased in the blue base much later on those. I have set of black base that i'm going ot put on my 72 LS3 SS Elco. Here's a thread that will answer a few questions http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277631 I'm with those who say it tarnishes the rarity of the original cars that have weathered the test of five decades, but at the same time there's nothing worse than a nice sixties car with white reflectorized plates https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif My 69Z still retains it's 41 year old black plates that have(like Nova Joe's)been current since new, and fortunately have titles from back in the eighties to validate that https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif |
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I have blue plates on my 68. It would bet the original black plates were damaged in a wreck. I do have a set of blacks for the car but not sure if I'll change to them. The blues are part of the cars history too.
And the title says Year First Sold is 68. I have a copy of the previous title somewhere. Unfortunately no history before 1988. Martin |
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Dave, What do you mean by "The only major question they had was that the plates were stamped 63 which was the date stamped in all black plates."
My plate # YQX 784 was stamped in 63??? I'm not tracking you on this. Anyway, this is good news for some guys. Bet you there will be an increase of Black and gold plate sales on E-Pay. ------break------ Next time one of you Cali guys go into the DMV please ask the clerk how i go about getting the Month stamp. When I had my plates sent out for resto the Month sticker had to come off, heck it was so faded anyway. The year stickers I still have, I peeled off about 30 years worth, the stack of stickers is about 1/4 inch thick or more. BTW, I have my registration PNOd over here, so those plates stay in the system. I get a notice each year from CA DMV asking what i want to do. PNO or register the plates. Danke, john |
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Check this guy out on Ebay. Ebay #110401599981. I dealt with him before. Sam
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I have a 69 grandma nova I bought from the original owner and she was issued blue plates when she bought it in Oct. 69. Said they started to phase out the black plates in late 69. Hey Mark maybe you will be able to get black plates.
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Dave, What do you mean by "The only major question they had was that the plates were stamped 63 which was the date stamped in all black plates."[ QUOTE ] Only the 63-64 black plates had the stamp in the right box, all others did not (late64-69 issue) [ QUOTE ] My plate # YQX 784 was stamped in 63??? I'm not tracking you on this. Anyway, this is good news for some guys. Bet you there will be an increase of Black and gold plate sales on E-Pay. ------break------ Next time one of you Cali guys go into the DMV please ask the clerk how i go about getting the Month stamp. When I had my plates sent out for resto the Month sticker had to come off, heck it was so faded anyway. The year stickers I still have, I peeled off about 30 years worth, the stack of stickers is about 1/4 inch thick or more. BTW, I have my registration PNOd over here, so those plates stay in the system. I get a notice each year from CA DMV asking what i want to do. PNO or register the plates. Danke, john [/ QUOTE ] Black base plates never had month stickers-year only. The month stickers started on blue base. |
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The blue/yellow plates began being issued in September 1969 in California.
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In 1979 my buddy bought a '67 Camaro SS L35/M40 from a woman in Corte Madera (Marin County just north of San Francisco). She was the second owner and had bought the car off the lot at Cambell-Bishop Chev in Corte Madera in about 1970 or '71. The dealership had swapped out the black plates for blue ones so perhaps blue plates on "black-plate cars" resulted from dealership swaps in some cases. My buddy still has the car. It was 100% bone stock when he bought it from the woman: Marina Blue/black top and pinstripes and bumblebee, Deluxe tuxedo interior, tilt, disc brakes with the original Disc Brake wheels still in place. Round traction bar and 2.73 Posi. He still has it but it's no longer stock.
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They said that my black plates must have a 66 date on them and that the plates I had were for a 63 year car. I then ask for a superviser and I explained that all of the black plates ever made had the 63 stamped in them because that was the first year for black plates. I told him that stickers with the year were issued from 64 thru 69. I guess if someone wanted to play it safe they could put a sticker on the new plate matching the year of the car before you go to the DMV. But would you need stickers on both plates to cover the 63 stamped in the plate???? I'll being doing at least one more car and who knows how that will go.
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Dave,
The '69 issued CA black plates beginning with the letter Z did not have the 63 stamped on them. They are just blank in both boxes. If you were concerned about the 63 being visible, you could purchase some plates that started with Z. -Jon |
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I have a pair of Z plates on ebay right now, kind of a neat Z prefix, ZMF 025, just 3 numbers away from being one of the best Z CA plates ....
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I sent my plates to the tagdr.com, they were as dinged up as those, they came back looking new.
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The year stickers I still have, I peeled off about 30 years worth, the stack of stickers is about 1/4 inch thick or more. john [/ QUOTE ] I did the same thing with mine a few months ago and this is what I found at the bottom - http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7565/...ovaorigown.jpg I'm thinking it's the first one I received when I registered it new in '69. And my plates don't have '63 stamped into them either. Just my .02 Joe |
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I need to see what the last year i have under the stack of stickers.
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Such a cool Nova! Wish I was in SoCal right now! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif
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[ QUOTE ] The year stickers I still have, I peeled off about 30 years worth, the stack of stickers is about 1/4 inch thick or more. john [/ QUOTE ] I did the same thing with mine a few months ago and this is what I found at the bottom - http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7565/...ovaorigown.jpg I'm thinking it's the first one I received when I registered it new in '69. And my plates don't have '63 stamped into them either. Just my .02 Joe [/ QUOTE ] Me too. Mine had stickers up til 1980. I used a razor blade and peeled 15 years worth of stickers off to get to the orange 65 sticker. I am in Michigan so I repainted the plate and put it on the front. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../itsdone-3.jpg |
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Such a cool Nova! Wish I was in SoCal right now! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif [/ QUOTE ]So Bruce, when are you "visiting" again?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif I still owe you a "test-ride" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif |
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Original plate off my old 69 Van Nuys Z . No 63 on it either
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Original plate off my old 69 Van Nuys Z . No 63 on it either http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...uys/ZLN893.jpg [/ QUOTE ] Do you know the sales date or month of when it first sold? |
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Maybe Labor Day weekend? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif [/ QUOTE ] Wrong answer (unless I am dense and you mean St. Louis, then that is the correct answer!!) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif |
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I just got back from the DMV.
I reissued my dad’s plates on to my car! This made my dads eyes water this morning in a big way! We had to lay his car to rest 8 years ago. It was a daily driver for its entire life…Took me home when I was born..Been to my entire childhood of Boating,Camping trips,Yellowstone,Yosemite and many air shows…. It has never been to church and never spent a single night in the garage. Although my car is not the same car it’s very close. My dad gave me this car at the age of 9 years old. Re-issuing plates onto my car along with registration…...$134.00 Hearing my dad cry over the phone when I told him…….PRICELESS!!!! Dads car.... http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...n/scan0002.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...n/scan0018.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...duationday.jpg My Car...... http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...e/100_6639.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...e/100_6917.jpg |
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Getting back to when they stopped stamping the '63 on the plates....
I have some plates starting with X that dont have the '63... http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...n/100_6960.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...n/100_6961.jpg I also have some PFF ### that has the '63 on them.I would guess these to be circa 66 or so... The dmv wants some proof that your Letter-Number configuration is true to your model year.For my 63 they went with the 63 stamped on the plate and I showed them my 64 sticker. I suppose if your car was a 1966, your plate would have the '63 stamp but you would have to show them the plate had the 66 sticker.Remove the stickers until you get to that sticker.......Or locate another sticker and bring it in.... The cost is $20 to re-issue.. The gentleman that needs the month sticker can easily get one through one of us in california.... What month does he need? One of us would have to show our registration thats due that month and ask for a month sticker by telling them the original is to faded/damaged etc...They may charge for the month sticker now.They used to be free. They did changed the format of the month stickers somtime in the late 60's...around 68? i think....new month stickers have <font color="blue"> </font> letters....original month stickers had red <font color="red"> </font> They didnt use the month sticker until 68 or so....I suppose all cars registrations were due at the same time like Jan 1st each year.As you can see in my previuost post when i was a little bot next to my dads plate.that plate had the 1966 and 1967 sticker like this.... http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...n/scan0018.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...n/100_6965.jpg |
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My set of plates start with WEG and are stamped with the 63 on the right side.
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I went to the DMV in West Covina, CA this morning to get the Black plates reassigned to my 69 Z. The plates were the ones that were on the car when I pulled it from a backyard in West Covina, CA 10 years ago. The car had been sitting in the same place for over 20 yrs. The rear plate had 1970 and 1971 stickers showing, with the 1971 sticker obviously placed over the white 1969 sticker. Neither plate was stamped 1963. The plates are ZSB XXX. There were no month stickers on the plates. The License plate frames on the car both front and rear were from Hovey Dallas Chevrolet in Gardena CA. From talking with the family that I purchased the car from (original owners), these were the original plates for the car. Unfortunately they could not locate any old registrations or title to link the black plate number to the VIN number. The car was out of the DMV system due to inactivity of registration for so many years, so when I bought it the DMV would not reassign the black plates. Anyway, at the DMV today I got the usual different answer from each person that I spoke with. None of the window people seemed to be familiar with California AB462 that allows the reassignment of the black plate. After the inital person that I spoke with told me " No Way" when I asked to have the plates reassigned to my vehicle, I spoke with a couple of supervisors regarding the matter. Luckily I had printed out and brought with my a summary from the internet in regards to California AB462. After they made a call to Sacramento, they agreed to let my have the plates reassigned, but, ONLY if I could produce a complete, legible, original 1969 California registration sticker. So... I spent 30 minutes chipping the 1971 registration sticker (under strict DMV supervision) to uncover the original 1969 registration sticker. I was then "allowed" to have the black plates reassigned. Bottom line.... You'll need a set of two black plates, in good condition, with one plate showing the California registration sticker for the year of the vehicle that you want the plate assinged to. They also require current registration, insurance, and a $20.00 doller per year "retention fee" for the plates. They didnt seem to be concerned with the sequential issue of plates, in that plates with the letter sequence starting with the letters X, Y, and Z were correct for a 1969 year model car. They were only concerned with the condition of the plates and that the approriate year registration sticker was present. I know this procedure will vary with each DMV office, and each DMV representitive, even though it should be standardized. Funny how a guy can walk into the DMV office with good intentions and get the runaround for something so simple. In light of the states financial problem, you'd think that if I brought my own plates in, along with cash payment, it would be a smooth deal to accomplish what is legal and just. Thanks for the rant....!!!!
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302Z, So,the plates are reissued for a Hugger Orange with white stripes and flat hood original paint car with a couple dents and no spoiler? That's a good Z.
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Getting back to when they stopped stamping the '63 on the plates.... I have some plates starting with X that dont have the '63... http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...n/100_6960.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...n/100_6961.jpg [/ QUOTE ] Interesting. I have a California plate, XPA 230, and it does have the 63 stamped into it. -Jon |
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I have both of these plates... would be nice for a Z/28 with the RS option https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif
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Astock, You are correct. The car is still wearing that original hugger orange paint. I take it you are the gentleman that I should have purchased a certain hood from several years ago??
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ZRS is a very cool plate, could only be better if it ended with 069, 969 or 169 (or 67/68)
We have a pair of X plates that have the 63 stamp ... some of the rag tag collection: http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26...y/caplates.jpg |
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[ QUOTE ] Getting back to when they stopped stamping the '63 on the plates.... I have some plates starting with X that dont have the '63... http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...n/100_6960.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...n/100_6961.jpg [/ QUOTE ] Interesting. I have a California plate, XPA 230, and it does have the 63 stamped into it. -Jon [/ QUOTE ] Here are couple of plates- the top is from my 69Z28, bought from the original owner in 2002. 10C VN built, sold 11/30/68 at Hallowell Chevy in Clovis CA. It is the lowest letter sequence of any black plate 69 I have seen,and does indeed have the etched 63 in the right box. Below that one is a GM manufacturer plate assigned to "Chevrolet Motor Divison. 1800 Ave of the stars, Century City CA." Blank box. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...lackplates.jpg I have seen some late Z sequence embossed and some without. DMV assigned letter sequence plates by counties, and there was a "West L.A. series" among others. Only a guess, but maybe the etched versions distinguished between northern from southern CA originated plates?. Someone brought up the monthly stickers- California didn't adopt staggered registration until in 1974,but all black plate cars had to use them after that point.. |
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That might be the case why my plates are not etched with 63.....regarding the North/South theory.
I did buy a Dec Sticker off E-Bay, so thanks for that lead. |
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