ALL BLACK 1970 Z28
 

Wanted to start a new thread on this. Does anybody know anything about these Curry cars mentioned in this ad? The only black '70 Z I am familiar with is the stripe-less COPO spoiler one.

Love to find out more. If Curry is still in existence maybe I will try and contact someone from back in the day there.

In the meantime, who knows what? Anybody? Painted by Curry? (Why? - thought black was not that popular a colour - regional thing?) Special ordered ? that means -- on TRIM TAG right?

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Curry Chevrolet is still in business...they have been a fixture in Westchester County for over 75 years. Not sure you will find anyone from the "old days" still around..but, it's possible. I would check first with someone in the parts department...those guys tend to have the most longevity and may understand what your talking about. The sales staff would be clueless...the other big Chevy name back in the day from that area was Byrne Bros. in White Plains...they had a very aggressive hi-performance program...I used to know the guys in their parts dept. back then (late 70's)...they new the score!

I like they way Curry spelled "Duce"....

I may be able to dig up a contact if you strike out...good luck.

wilma

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thanks Wilma. Will do.

Anybody know if this was a Curry car?

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It is strange that black was not offerred on Camaros in '70 as it was a standard Camaro color in '69 and again in 71. There were certainly plenty of black '70 Chevelles sold, so I would not think it was soley a popularity issue.

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I've seen that car & another Black 70 Copo Z. Both cars are L.A. Cars the one i saw in 2006 at the Camaro Nats. actually had 2 build sheets 1 showing it was painted copper & the 2nd is for when it was re-ran through the paint dept. & documented being painted over in black. If you looked real close in some of the trunk areas & tight corners of the car you can see the copper. I'm not sure the mileage or anything else on the car but i know Phil Borris was all over it just as i walked up to check it out. I'm not sure if any L.A. cars would end up at Curry or if his Zone would only put him as getting Norwood built cars, not sure how that works.

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My 81 Zee28 came from Curry.

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----I bought a 73 Z in 1975 from the original owner. He said he tried like h ell to order a black Z and the dealer kept saying it couldnt be done. He wanted a black RS Z/28 so bad that he ordered a dark green one and had it painted black with no stripes immediatly. Really liked that old car while I had it.......Bill S

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Car had two build sheets one copper and one for the black respray. They painted right over the copper and inside the trunk the black was peeling and the copper was visible. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks Wilma. Will do.

Anybody know if this was a Curry car? </div></div>

It belongs to an sYc member. I'll have to look at the paperwork to check.

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Thanks Stefano

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Does anyone know how hard it would be to send every piece of sheet metal back through the paint line(s) and coordinate the whole thing? At St. Louis, I recall re-running (starting the production order over) the car if a paint color mistake was made - never repainting a car a different color. It would be like the assy plant was selling a used car - hard to imagine - but as we've said before - anything's possible.

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Also, also - putting a color change from copper to black would be a real &quot;dogs breakfast&quot; when it came out of the re-flow oven!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COPO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is strange that black was not offerred on Camaros in '70 as it was a standard Camaro color in '69 and again in 71. There were certainly plenty of black '70 Chevelles sold, so I would not think it was soley a popularity issue. </div></div>

I think it had more to do with the specific plants. Black was a &quot;restricted&quot; color in 1969 on Camaros.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, also - putting a color change from copper to black would be a real &quot;dogs breakfast&quot; when it came out of the re-flow oven! </div></div>

Could have been painted over at AGR as a tape off and then through the touch-up oven there.

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I have a &quot;day 2&quot; motion modded Curry 69 Camaro that is close to completion:

http://www.69lm1.com/pics/69rh.jpg

Original story is that it was a BM car, but after getting &quot;that&quot; special piece of paper, found out it was a Curry car.

X66D80, no radio car.

http://www.69lm1.com/X66D80/ttag.jpg


Check out the leaf spring mod:

http://www.69lm1.com/X66D80/ssspring.jpg

Have not been able to find much info on Curry, and was told by many that they had no links to HiPo cars and then found the ad above. As well as this clinic they put on:

http://www.69lm1.com/396/car028.jpg
http://www.69lm1.com/396/car027.jpg

If anyone comes across any history, I'd appreciate it. This car also has a unique &quot;weld&quot; in the front subframe, I am sure as a mark, if anyone comes across any history on my car.

Rich Pern

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Paint a whole car at touch up? - I smell a strike coming on!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paint a whole car at touch up? - I smell a strike coming on! </div></div>

That's right... but a labor stoppage was not needed to get it done.

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Did someone document that Phil? I mean, the car had to be assembled to make its way to touch up. So, the car would have to be disassembled to repaint it. It's not just a tape &amp; spray - you've got the jambs, cowl, etc. that are the wrong color!

Has someone actually signed a statement saying that this happened. I had 1,000 people working for me at GM &amp; I can tell you for sure that anyone who authorized something like this would have gotten an involintary retirement the next day!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did someone document that Phil? I mean, the car had to be assembled to make its way to touch up. So, the car would have to be disassembled to repaint it. It's not just a tape &amp; spray - you've got the jambs, cowl, etc. that are the wrong color!

Has someone actually signed a statement saying that this happened. I had 1,000 people working for me at GM &amp; I can tell you for sure that anyone who authorized something like this would have gotten an involintary retirement the next day! </div></div>

Bergy that's a good prospective... for Norwood I have Photographs of entire cars being painted at AGR, and have interviewed the superintendent of that area. I can assure you that entire cars were painted when needed at AGR all the way from basic DUCO color coating repair due to bad paint match at Sheet metal drop - to an entire color change for a non standard color.

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Anything's possible. More likely that the painter didn't purge the gun properly when changing colors. The painters each had one gun, so they had to purge the head when they changed lines from the old color to the new color. We always sprayed in the trunk first just in case the gun wasn't fully purged. That's more likely what happened here.

PM me the superintendent's name - I may know him.

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Bergy you might recall some of these people, as I recall several were at other GM plants also.

http://camaropacecars.com/eve/forums...6/m/7931040036

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Curry Chevrolet is no more than 5 minute from me. I didn't realize they did anything special except sell basic cars.

-Dave

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">----I bought a 73 Z in 1975 from the original owner. He said he tried like h ell to order a black Z and the dealer kept saying it couldnt be done. </div></div>

That dealer just didn't know what they were doing. I personally know of two factory black 73 Z28's. They were indeed a special order, but it could be done.

Also, my friend Rick had ordered a new black 70 Camaro SS396, L78....the dealer kept giving him the runaround saying they were having a hard time getting it. He finally gave up and bought a FG 70 Nova SS396 L78 off the lot. Never did find out if it was the L78 or the black paint that was the holdup on the Camaro. The same Rick is one of the two people I knew who ordered - and received - the black 73 Z28's.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks Wilma. Will do.

Anybody know if this was a Curry car? </div></div>

It belongs to an sYc member. I'll have to look at the paperwork to check. </div></div>

Sold New at Kelsey &amp; Sons Chevrolet, Buellton California.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Pritchard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That dealer just didn't know what they were doing. I personally know of two factory black 73 Z28's. They were indeed a special order, but it could be done.

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Exactly Bill. A good friend of mine had a Special Order all Black '73 Z. I contacted Phil (70 COPO) about that car a couple of years ago.

I have a pic of his '73 &amp; my Chevelle sitting together in my back yard. ( [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] somewhere.)

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Hassett had a Norwood build special order trim tag -- black with white stripe full bumper 73 z28 in his collection years ago. Car was local from day one, automatic with black vinyl seats. car went to Dayton Ohio with 20k on the odometer around 1992

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This is the STORY on My BLACK Z-28 1973
My Friend ordered it New along with a New Black &amp; White Vega GT.
It was Extra Cost (PRIMER)it took forever to come in after it was built. He was told it went to Lordstown Vega Plant to be painted. He called me when it finally came in to look at it. The paint was Terrible, bad paint with white overspray everywhere. The dealer tried to color coat it and buff it out. It still looked bad. He REFUSED it. He agreed to pay half of the price to repaint it and Chevy paid for part of it. It then was a good job. He sold it to me when he was getting married. One of the cars I SHOULD have KEPT!!

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Good story and good luck. *Paul

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----Bill,,,I came to that realization several years ago, but thought it was interesting. I just wonder how many people didnt get the car they wanted because of dealer laziness or stupidity.......Bill S

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....I just wonder how many people didnt get the car they wanted because of dealer laziness or stupidity.......Bill S </div></div>

Sounds like the saga I went through trying to buy a 87 Buick Regal turbo car. I had all the correct option codes to get a non descript Regal with chrome trim instead of the normal blacked out, but couldn't get a dealer to special order it. Lazy sob's wanted to push anything else off on me instead of doing a special order. Needless to say, I never got that sleeper car.

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JB, that sux; I love the T-Type Regals even better than a GN.

Finding a clean one today is a major feat, unfortunately.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORIGLS6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A good friend of mine had a Special Order all Black '73 Z. I contacted Phil (70 COPO) about that car a couple of years ago.

I have a pic of his '73 &amp; my Chevelle sitting together in my back yard. ( [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] somewhere.) </div></div>


Here's one picture I have of one of the two black 73 Z28's that I know of. It was an automatic with factory air. That's it parked in front of my LeMans blue 69 Nova SS, circa 1976.

Dennis, this picture was taken in Virden, IL....your neck of the woods!

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...9Novaside2.jpg


And here's the only picture I have of the other one, that my friend Rick owned....that's it behind the maroon one and the white one. It was a Type LT/Rally Sport/Z28, 4 speed. My friends and I bought a total of eight new 73 Z28's, and these are 4 of them. Picture taken circa 1973 at Don's Union 76 station, North Aurora, IL.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...satDonalds.jpg

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Nova looks like Sam's beautiful, unrestored car! What a time capsule.

Phil - those Norwood guys would really appreciate this youtube video.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nd5WGLWNllA?rel=0

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As a fellow German it makes me feel good to see technology put to practicallity. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif[/img]
I don't see it as putting <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">&quot;assembly line&quot;</span></span> labor out of work, rather creating work for the engineers, designers, computer software geeks and machinest's that built such a complex.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img]

Lets hope they don't run out of COAL. Power outages would suck... :)LOL

DH [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif[/img]

BTW that is a COOL factory [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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[quote=bergy]Nova looks like Sam's beautiful, unrestored car! What a time capsule.

Phil - those Norwood guys would really appreciate this youtube video.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nd5WGLWNllA?rel=0

I think they would to some extent... But the impressions of the line they keep
are pretty much based in the assembly era that they worked in. Some like the body drop era when the cars were mostly hand assembled while some prefer the technology of the Towveyor era. The 8mm and the video that exists today puts it all in prospective.

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Bill I hope you don't mind. I'm gonna post this over on the 2nd Gen site. You know it's my favorite. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DarrenX33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill I hope you don't mind. I'm gonna post this over on the 2nd Gen sight. You know it's my favorite. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] </div></div>

Not at all, Darren....hope that the folks there enjoy it as well. I'm actually registered there but rarely visit anymore.

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Bill,
I know that church in the background of the first pic. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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The oldest employee at Curry Chevrolet today only goes back to about 1980.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORIGLS6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill,
I know that church in the background of the first pic. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] </div></div>

Very Cool vintage pics!