Tires and wheels...2004 Suburban
 

I'm looking for some suggestions on wheels and tires for our 2004 Suburban. The current tires are Goodyear Wrangler AT/S 265/70-R17...they are on the factory alloy wheels. The spare is a 265/70-R16 ? mounted on a plain steel wheel.

I use the truck as a daily driver, for towing and as a 'woods vehicle'..our Adirondack camp is accessed by 9 miles of rough 4wd road. I have always been concerned about the impact on the current wheels and tires.

So, since I will need to get new tires before winter the thought was to get tires that had a stronger sidewall...and to ditch the fancy mags in favor of 4 plain steel wheels like the spare.

I would appreciate thoughts and suggestions on this subject.

Thanks, Tom

Would be kind of a pain, and take some time, but those spare wheels (most came with a steel spare) are not in demand, and there is one in every every suburban, tahoo, Yukon and Yukon XL in the salvage yards. I bet a lot of them have never even been on the ground. Might fine four in one yard.

Personally, I would not buy aftermarket steel wheels. Then just buy four 16" tires that are approximately the same height as your original tires.

I've been very happy with the Yokohama Geolanders on my Suburban--great all weather traction, decent ride when the pressure is down and tow a 7500+ lb. trailer surprisingly well when pumped up, cost was reasonable as well.

Can't help on the rims but I think Lynn has the right idea.

16" wheels....
 

Lynn...I called the local salvage guy...he thinks he has some wheels...but, he was concerned about the spares not being considered a 'road wheel'. I recall lots of Chevy trucks that had these style plain wheels, especially local, gov't and highway dept vehicles.

So, do you know is there a difference between a regular oem road wheel and the spare??

thanks for all the help

I've had to remove a spare on many of these trucks in the last few years. They tend to rust just like yours. When you tighten the lugs, things feel soft.

I swapped out the spare on my truck for a machange to the aluminum wheels I have.

https://lancaster.craigslist.org/wto...214243264.html

I like these wheels. You could even use an aluminum you have in the spare position.

Your tire sizes are right. I like the Gooodgear Adventure tires with Kevlar in a load range E. I run them and get 50k and they work very well in all conditions.

I have had my 2003 Yukon XL since new and have used only Michelin LTX 245/75/16 10 ply tires, Not a lot of choices for 17 inch wheels and up and you lose the 10 ply option.

Michelin AT/2 https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...WLV5&tab=Specs

I have not heard of that. Of course there are spare tires that are not for long term use.
I understand the small temporary spare and all the warning labels on them. I can't imagine that the steel wheel would not be suitable for long term use WITHOUT being labeled as such. The tire doesn't say anything about temporary use, does it? Can you imagine the liability issues for GM if they put this on there for a spare, did not label it, and it wasn't suitable for long term use?

Found this in a 2005 Suburban owner's manual:

Your vehicle may be equipped with a different
size spare than the road tires (those originally
installed on your vehicle). When new, your
vehicle included a spare tire and wheel
assembly with a similar overall diameter as
your vehicle’s road tires and wheels, so it is all
right to drive on it. Because this spare was
developed for use on your vehicle, it will not
affect vehicle handling.

Personally, if you have a fairly tall sidewall, and you do at 70 series tires, I don't know that I would be concerned about damaging a wheel. The factory wheels are pretty tough. Still if you are concerned about the durability of the alloys, I personally would not be one bit afraid of running 4 of the steel whees that originally had spares on them.

I am confused by the tire sizes though. Did it come with 265 70 17 tires for sure? The above indicates the spare is a similar diameter as the driving tires. But yours are a full one inch diff in height.

Tire Rack says your vehicle could have come with either size from the factory. But if you like the height of your current tires, I think I would like to run a 275 70 16. Hmmm, wondering if you ordered a Suburban without the alloy wheel package if you simply got the 16 inch rims that are exactly the same rim as your spare? I would bet so. All steel rims feel a little soft when tightening lugs compared to alloys. They give; that is why it is so important to tighten in stages in a star pattern.

The 17's are 31.6 inches tall, and the 16's are 30.6 inches tall. If you do go to 16's and you want about the same height, I think I would go with 275 70 16. Gives you just a little more cushion and puts you at 31.15 inches tall.

Just my opnion.

tires and wheels..
 

I checked with a Chevy Service Manager I know and he said the spare tire wheel is fine to use. Also found out the alloys are 7.5" wide and the 16" steel wheel is 6.5. So, it looks like the wheel is fine to use if I go that direction.

Called Discount Tire Direct [bought from them before] and we discussed some tire options, they recommended a 3 ply sidewall for extra durability on my off road adventures. This is the BF Goodrich tire they suggested...

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...yp=Truck%2FSUV

They also felt that the alloy wheels were fine and saw no need to change to all steel. So, I will continue to do some homework and see what develops.

I know the state police use Tahoes...going to see what tire ad wheel they come with...I would suspect the wheel would be a HD item for that application.

Thanks for the input..

Tom

Those BFGs they recommended will be loud as hell on the road with that super aggressive tread style. (and they are also really expensive and wear out quickly).

Another vote for the Yokohama Geolanders. I use 265/75x16 in load range E for our 1995 K2500 diesel Suburban on more recent GM PYO aluminum wheels from a 2002 3/4 ton. The Geos last a long time, are quiet and I have never had a problem balancing them. I am on my third set. Given that you tow, I would definitely use a load range E otherwise you are at the max load for just an "SL" rated tire running on an empty Suburban.

I usually go with discounttiredirect.com as they have free shipping. Here's the size you are looking for: http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...ca&exposed=ldr

Also, wait til Labor Day. Yokohama and Discounttire usually have a holiday rebate debit card of $100 in addition to Discount tire's usual $60 rebate at the same time. They just had one for the Fourth of July sale.

Too bad yours isn't a 3/4 ton otherwise I have a set of 8 lug (very heavy) steel wheels from my 'Burb.

Just bought a set of P245/65R17 H/T-S Yokohama Geolanders last year and can't stop praising them.My Ford is a much better vehicle with them,and I am seeking another set for a second truck. :)

Cooper Zeon LTZ
 

Cooper Zeon LTZ is the best tire I've had on my 4x4 Ford F-150. Aggressive tread but quiet, nice performance on the road. Tread wear is very even and seem to be lasting. Not sure about load ratings for you but they've taken everything I've thrown at them with no scars.

Yokohama Tires...
 

I went online to look at the Geolander tire...looks like a pretty good product.

So, I decided to call Yokohama to get a little more first hand information...very disappointing phone call :frown:

The customer service person knew nothing about their products...he could only tell me they were a top seller and basically read me back what is on their website. I had to tell him the name of the tire 3 times and then he asked me for a part number :confused2:

In the end there was no additional info beyond the website presentation...I realize you guys have first hand experience which is probably the best to consider...it was just disappointing that the manufacturer wasn't more engaged.

I also spoke with the service manager at the local Midas store...he helps with a lot of our odds and ends. He said they were a good tire, but frequent rotations were needed to prevent a choppy wear issue.

The research will continue for a little longer...thanks for all the help.

-wilma

I'm not sure if they're heavy enough for what you're doing, but I put Cooper Discover AT3s on my truck and my Expedition. I tow a 24' car trailer with the Ex and they do excellent. They wear great and are quiet on the highway.

Cooper AT 3...
 

I spoke with Cooper...and they made the same suggestion. The customer service person felt their ST Maxx tire [w/3 ply side-wall] would be too much tire for the lighter 1/2 ton suspension of our Suburban.

-wilma

I have a set of Cooper DISCOVERER HT PLUS Tire (265/60R18XL) on my 07 Ford FX2 Sport -- good ride, quiet, excellent in the rain ... great tire! TAZ

I always rotate my Geolanders at every oil change (5000 miles) and get excellent wear across the tread. No cupping whatsoever.

You want load capacity if you are pulling a trailer. You can't have too much sidewall strength. I remember back when my truck was new and the local tire store recommended and installed a set of Michellins that were load range C instead of E on my Suburban. He said they would be fine and give a better ride too.

Yeah... a much better ride because they turned to mush in under 10,000 miles. When I dismounted them to replace them with a load range E tire, I stood the dismounted tire up vertically and it flattened completely to the ground like it was a deflated inner tube. There was no sidewall strength whatsoever remaining.

Here's the ply/load rating chart:

Plies#
4 "B" 35 psi
6 "C" 50 psi
8 "D" 65 psi
10 "E" 80 psi
12 "F" 95 psi

tires..
 

I don't don't pull any heavy trailers...just a snowmobile or atv rig...occasional small fishing boat...no big rigs. The idea of the better side wall strength with the 'E' rating makes sense...my major concern is the off-road time going into camp...rough trip.

-wilma

Actually, I would rather have a heavy sidewall for offroad use. Think of what happens when you hit a curb and what that does to your sidewall on a passenger rated tire. You get much more protection from sidewall impact damage (like rocks) with a higher load range tire. You can always lower the air pressure. I use 75 to 80 psi when towing and around 55 when empty.

Or you could ask Charley to lease this to you Tom.
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthrea...29#post1338729

Off Road...
 

What kind of stereo system does it come with :rolleyes2: