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Brucebodyman 06-23-2018 02:29 AM

Possible Baldwin Chevelle
 
I'm going to look at a 68 Chevelle possibly this weekend that a local guy just bought. He thinks it may be a Baldwin car. He sent a few pics. It does have the Hone O Drive Unit. I'm doing some research as to what to look for. Can any of you guys give me a heads up on clues to look for. I'm not looking at it to buy it. I'm just trying to help a fellow Chevelle owner out and help him verify what he has before he tears it apart. From pics I've seen it's a very nice barn find. It also has the Buick interior in it. Any help you guys can give me would be appreciated.

marxjunk 06-23-2018 02:32 AM

buick interior is common in a 68...ive seen a dozen or so in the last year..in ruff parts cars..

COPO 06-23-2018 02:45 AM

Order the NCRS shipping report for $50. If it comes back to Baldwin Motor Co. that's a good start. Other than that, not much to go on as the hone overdrive wasn't used until very late '69 cars and mostly in 1970 and later.

Brucebodyman 06-23-2018 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by marxjunk (Post 1405541)
buick interior is common in a 68...ive seen a dozen or so in the last year..in ruff parts cars..

Interior appears to be very nice in pictures.

Brucebodyman 06-23-2018 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by COPO (Post 1405545)
Order the NCRS shipping report for $50. If it comes back to Baldwin Motor Co. that's a good start. Other than that, not much to go on as the hone overdrive wasn't used until very late '69 cars and mostly in 1970 and later.

Learned something already. Didn't know the OD units weren't used until late 69.
I'm not expecting it to be a real one but you never know. He may be basing it on the OD unit and a story. I just wasn't sure if there were some tell tale signs to look for.

marxjunk 06-23-2018 03:08 AM

anything can happen in 50 years..someone could have put the H O D in after delivery..stranger things have been discovered..go in with open eyes, expect little and hope for BIG is how i'd approach it.

Brucebodyman 06-24-2018 05:39 PM

Put eyes on the car today. What he has is a very restorable numbers matching L78 68 Chevelle with a couple of desirable day 2 speed parts on it. Motor rebuilt but not to L78 Specs. Numbers matching 4 speed 12 bolt rearend.
Unfortunately he is convinced it's a Baldwin Motion car. I'm convinced it's not. There is no paperwork of any kind and other than the overdrive unit not much to associate it with Motion. The car is for sale but the price he gave me was already to high then he tells me since it's a motion car he wants even more for it but wouldn't say how much more. So if any of you get wind of a supposed motion Chevelle in mid Michigan message me I'll give you my take.

COPO 06-24-2018 08:56 PM

Order the NCRS shipping report and it will likely put the BM story to rest.

SuperNovaSS 06-24-2018 09:32 PM

Or support the BM story....

Jason

PeteLeathersac 06-24-2018 10:47 PM

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Others can speak up w/ better info but at least one '68 'Velle got a 427 by Motion also was later turned into a race car.
No idea whether the below Cars Magazine article car is it or another?:hmmm:
The NCRS report is surely the best start, good luck!
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~ Pete

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PeteLeathersac 06-24-2018 10:49 PM

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Brucebodyman 06-25-2018 12:09 AM

The car is a red black vinyl top black Buick bucket seat interior. 4 speed With original drivetrain. Would be a great car to restore. It needs zero panel replacement. But owner/flipper is seeing $$$$$ because he's convinced himself it's a B/M car.

luzl78 06-25-2018 12:24 AM

Enter Joel Rosen? $2,500-3,000 could turn into a great return.

mockingbird812 06-25-2018 12:48 AM

Did Baldwin Chevelles cars come from Framingham or Baltimore? What does the cowl tag say?

Bill Pritchard 06-25-2018 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Brucebodyman (Post 1405734)
owner/flipper is seeing $$$$$ because he's convinced himself it's a B/M car.

....and he's probably seen enough instances where, if you tell the same story long enough and convincingly enough, some fool will come along and - literally - buy into the story.

Brucebodyman 06-25-2018 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mockingbird812 (Post 1405742)
Did Baldwin Chevelles cars come from Framingham or Baltimore? What does the cowl tag say?

It's a Kansas car. Like I said it's not a B/M car. It's a shame he won't be realistic with price I'm sure one of you guys would do it justice. If done my share of them but steer away from projects this big.

Brucebodyman 06-25-2018 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Pritchard (Post 1405745)
....and he's probably seen enough instances where, if you tell the same story long enough and convincingly enough, some fool will come along and - literally - buy into the story.

I think that's what he's banking on.

luzl78 06-25-2018 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Pritchard (Post 1405745)
....and he's probably seen enough instances where, if you tell the same story long enough and convincingly enough, some fool will come along and - literally - buy into the story.

dan p. And the 68 nova.

chevelleshack 06-26-2018 11:31 PM

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/45-c...-chevelle.html

Discussion on team chevelle . Looks like a nice car !

Brucebodyman 06-27-2018 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chevelleshack (Post 1405959)
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/45-c...-chevelle.html

Discussion on team chevelle . Looks like a nice car !

It is a nice car but it needs a frame off job done to it. It's scaly underneath has a couple paint jobs on it. Just not economically feesable to pay what he wants.

Brucebodyman 06-27-2018 06:47 PM

Looks like he got the NCRS report. Not shipped to Baldwin or even New York. Like I thought it's a real L78 that needs restoration with some period correct motion parts.

GotGrunt 06-27-2018 06:53 PM

Looks like the NCRS shipping report came back as not even being sold in NY, as per the owner.

chevelleshack 06-27-2018 11:36 PM

Well , guess that early retirement is going to have to wait ............

markjohnson 06-28-2018 01:28 PM

Those are MAS lower control arms on that car.

chevelleshack 07-03-2018 01:44 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Chevro...pbOgXk&vxp=mtr

you can't be serious ........

GotGrunt 07-03-2018 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chevelleshack (Post 1406772)

It must be one of the unconverted motion cars, very rare :D

iluv69s 07-03-2018 03:33 PM

ad says 4.56 rear... is that a copo option in itself?

PeteLeathersac 07-03-2018 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by iluv69s (Post 1406788)
ad says 4.56 rear... is that a copo option in itself?



Still RPO for '68 but Copo 9511 necessary to get 4:56 or deeper for '69 model year cars.
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COPO 07-03-2018 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Brucebodyman (Post 1405746)
It's not a B/M car. It's a shame he won't be realistic with price.

Man you're not kidding on the price.

Brucebodyman 07-03-2018 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by COPO (Post 1406800)
Man you're not kidding on the price.

Where did you see it for sale?

Brucebodyman 07-03-2018 11:55 PM

I found it on EBay. Man I was shocked when I saw that price. ITs way more than what he told me. What he didn't show in pics were floors. They're solid but complete scale and pitted. Needs lower qtr patches. Car needs a frame off job done to it. No way is it gonna clean up and drive the way it is. It would be possible to do that but you wouldn't have a very nice car.

Mr70 07-03-2018 11:56 PM

Here----->https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Chevro...pbOgXk&vxp=mtr

Brucebodyman 07-03-2018 11:59 PM

Instead of being reasonable making a few bucks on it and passing it on to somebody that can do the car justice it will sit some more. What a shame.

PeteLeathersac 07-04-2018 12:21 AM

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Please post the VIN if you have it Bruce, then we can find this thread next time it pops up and recognize it as the same car.
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~ Pete

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Brucebodyman 07-04-2018 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteLeathersac (Post 1406838)
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Please post the VIN if you have it Bruce, then we can find this thread next time it pops up and recognize it as the same car.
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~ Pete

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I didn't get the vin. I inspected car new what it was asked how much and he was so far off on price and so positive he had a motion car and there was no telling him different so I left.

Bill Pritchard 07-04-2018 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteLeathersac (Post 1406791)
Still RPO for '68 but Copo 9511 necessary to get 4:56 or deeper for '69 model year cars.
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~ Pete


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I'm not sure about that, Pete.....I've seen what appeared to be credible pictures of a 69 Chevelle L78 that came from the factory with a 4.56 rear axle.


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