69 Pontiac Firebird and GTO- Hot, Hotter ,Hottest
 

Which variant would you choose in 1969....Perhaps something with Ram Air???

Order a raiv
 

It’s in my garage - 1969 RAIV FIREBIRD matador red 4spd m-21 , 3:90s w/ black interior

Great choice Matt!:beers:

I love that car Matt!!!! I've had RAIII 69 GTOs and T/As. I like the T/As better. I had this original drivetrain T/A at MCACN.

Now THAT is Cool, and I'm not even a Pontiac guy. There can't have been too many of that configuration made in a Firebird. Thanks for sharing.

Bill

Matt’s car is sweet , as is muscle collectors
Two of the best there are .

I’d choose this one.

I have the correct radiator and alt etc for it just didn’t want to install it all w the pro stock engine . My daughter wanted to put it together and take it to a local show so that’s why it was kind of assembled quick in the pics .

Awesome.

Wow.

The car is an original RAIV ,m21, 3.90 raced by Stephen Pontiac
Current Engine is a RAV pro stock as raced by Stephen Pontiac
W factory dual quad RAV intake and carbs.
Bill Eckstrom and Tom Mc innis were the drivers
I raced it myself for 15 years w RAIV power 15k on the clock
Ran 11.93 in 69 w RAIV power. Approx at 430 Hp, RAV made 640 Hp on the dyno
RAV ran 10.34 in 1970

Picture of heads is standard D port RAIII
Middle is RAIV
Top is RAV head.

1969 raiv fb
 

Thanks guys I’ve had it since the early 80s, it’s original paint ,original drivetrain car with 20,000 miles. A lot of great options and the interior is like brand new and yes it screams.

Here's a few of my buddy Dave Armstrong's 1969 RAIII Red Firebird Convertible.

Any would be fine 👍🏻 but i prefer the full frame ride of the GTO

thats a lot of money for a 69 firebird on that msrp

Just trying to learn here - why does the 69 RAIV car have the "Ram Air" cable pull?

Love the Firebirds!!!

What’s the ownership history on this one? Great car!!!!

69 Firebird with ram air code 611 option had driver control flaps at the scoop openings in upper pan , very similar to GTO

1969 raiv fb
 

A few more pics . On a RAIV optioned Fb code 611 is included in RAIV package

That car is spectacular wish there was more detail pics of it.
Such an amazing time capsule of a RAIV car.
I had always thought it was radio delete like mine. Maybe that’s muscle collectors car?
I thought the special order axle on top of the safe T track HD, meant 4.33 gears Vs 3.90? Is that just if there’s another line on the PHS ?

Really impressive car 👍

A trans am RAIV wouldn’t have the cable but a bird RAIV does .

Just didn’t want people to see Trans ams for sale and think it’s incorrect to not have the cable .

�� thanks - didn’t know that :-)

My car does not have special order axle thus 3:90s . 4:33 gears with raiv internals caused many engine failures

It’s was the words (& special order axle) on the window sticker that made me ask that . I’d have to dig out my window, sticker but didn’t think mine was worded that way. (from
Memory)
In pretty sure my PHS just says safety- track -HD

I thought there was a Special line on PHS similar to that for 4.33 compared to 3.90
Maybe mine reads the same way on the window sticker . That line was curious to me though.
Good to know that’s what a 3.90 would read.
I wonder if a 4.33 would be worded differently on a window sticker there’s been some questions as to if any 68 69 birds came w the 4.33 but there definitely some axles w the correct code out there. And I’ve seen listings for cars used from the early 70s w that axle but could have been installed .
I find the 4.33 bird thing interesting .

Seems the a PHS reads different for different parts of the year as well . As w the case for the decor group after March 17th .

Here’s my window sticker
Just done a little different on the paperwork

4:33 gears
 

It would be very rare and interesting to find a 69 Firebird with a 433 rear from the factory and probably never happened. I would also say that it’s definitely a lot more reliable to go with the Phs vs window sticker when it comes to the wording on some of these items

Silver/Black Interior Ram Air IV 4 spd.
Hub Cap Car / Radio Delete Car.

Matt, what I've been told was RAIII could be ordered with 433, but RAIV only came with 390. Is that correct?

My understanding is that there were NO Firebirds ever produced with 4:33 axles. There has been much discussion on this on the forums in the past. I am certain Matt will confirm this as well.....Matt?

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This is a window sticker of a car I used to own. Another expensive RAIV that was optioned very well.

these are obviously reproduction window stickers. what about yours matt, is it the original one or a reproduction one also?

steve, that is the carousel red one you sold to phil right?

Yes, I believe Rick owns the car now.

Well I’d assume they had to come In a bird because I’ve seen pictures of them w the correct axle code stamped into it. I also have ads from early 70s of these cars w 4.33 which could have been swapped in but pretty early on. Idk if they’d have sold an over the counter axle assembly w the 4.33 axle code for 68 bird stamped but maybe. It certainly is listed for 68.

Not a big deal but I thought it was certainly interesting the way it was worded on Matt’s car. Sure would make it one really rare bird if it was a 4.33

Never heard that Steve.

Hi Gary, mine is the original window sticker!

So i checked on the ZM that I had seen that was from a 69 in the 80s and the owner confirmed it ended up being a 68 housing. So it in fact was NOT a 4.33 69 rear so we can take that out of the mix. It would have been a ZR stamping for 68
So all that leaves is some cars listed in early 70s for sale w 4.33 which could have easily been swapped in so. I’ll concede that there hasn’t been one known to exists yet .

But I still was pretty sure that that language ( & special order axle ) meant a 4.33 axle at least if it was on the PHS .
Which I’d agree is better to go with than the window sticker.. plus different things were done at different times of year . No idea what build date your car is.

I just thought we may be looking at a really super rare example in Matt’s car which would have been even more amazing.

Definitely 390s and I’m glad it wasn’t 433 , less chance the motor would have survived!

Is that Jack Romanos old car?

I actually heard there was 1 68 Firebird non ram air car that was delivered with a 433 axle and that’s the only one.

Where’s jack from ?