1966 Yenko Stinger for sale
 

The following ad was sent to the sYc for posting. "1966 Don Yenko Stinger serial number YS071, SCCA registered. Perhaps the nicest in existence. $18,995 Call Joe Albano 631-757-9011"

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Tom,

Thanks for posting the Stinger ,it has found a new home [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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steve,
would that be yours or ed's?

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Kevin,
I expect it to be my home. Ed and Family have enough Stingers already.

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I have converted another Muscle Car fan!!
Ed

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I thought the Stinger was a Muscle car and that a Stage V could Give a stock ZL1 a run for the Money in the 1/4 mile.

There were Five Corvairs at Elmhurst tonight, including three Corsas and a Turbo. Where did they come from?

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Congratulations on the Stinger purchase. I wouldn't mind having one myself to bring up to Lime Rock for a little racing.

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JoeC,
Thanks I can't wait to get it. I would also like to express thanks to the "Singer Guys" who came out of the wood work to provide me with assistance/info. regarding YSO71.

Ed Cuneen
John Gresham
Jeff Moore
Charlie Doerge, Jr.
Tim Cotrofeld

It appears to be one of Don's 50 Double COPO Stingers [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Congrats on the find. Did you get any original paperwork with the car ? I know you'll have a blast with it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]
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Rick

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Rick,
Thanks, There is no dealer paper work other than a letter from The Yenko Chevrolet Mechanic who built the Stage II engine. But, I haven't seen it yet.

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I'll bet you can't wait to get it. It's a beautiful car. Are you going to drive/show/race or store it ? I'm going to post the only pic. of it I've seen. This is from the Gary Aube website.
http://www.corvaircorsa.com/yenko/ys71.jpg
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Rick

Here's a link to Garys site :
http://www.corvaircorsa.com/intro.html

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Did you seen the Yenko Corvair on http://gallery.chevellesswagon.com/?
Pic attached.

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Thanks for posting the pics guys. I have a few ideas for the Stinger and plan to get a few laps around the track as is prior to the white stuff hitting the ground.

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It is finally here. Just took the first laps around the neighborhood. Not a bad little car, these Stingers. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Is the next stop Chevy - Vette Fest?

Look'n forward to see'n it.

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Hope to see big impala at vettfest...... [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Mr. Gasser,
If your friend Mark does not pry the darn car out of my hands first. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
Depending on the weather ( no enclosed trailer ) the plan is to attend.
It would be great if I could hang out with you SUPERCAR guys. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Stefano,
Is that your Stinger listed on the MECUM site?

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The Stinger, Dover Douglass Yenko, 3XBlack LS6 Ragtop,Gold LS6 Coupe,1969 Camaro RS, 1968 Z28, as well as a few others will be at the Pheasant Run Resort in Saint Charles, IL.

The cars will run across the Block on Saturday November 2nd.

Info will be available at www.mecumauction.com

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Stefano, what's up you building a new mansion or what?

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They told me that if I consigned a few cars they would let me in and provide all the free beer I could drink. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif[/img]

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Not for sure how to respond, as we do not want to mis-lead anyone. We received an email asking about the "1969 Yenko Camaro, 1 of 2 White Yenkos" listed on the auction site. Should it not read "1969 Douglas COPO Camaro, white with Yenko stripes"? Tom

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My Dover White Camaro is a Yenko.

What is is not is a one which was ordered and invoiced through Yenko Chevrolet.

When it was advertised and sold new to the public there were no disclaimers as to where the paper order had originated from.

I have not misslead or missrepresented anything to anyone regarding my Dover White Yenko.

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I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. In my opinion, only cars originally invoiced through Yenko Chevrolet are "Yenkos". Other wise, we (sYc) would have to include ANY car that was sold else where, but received Yenko emblems/stripes. It has been documented, that as far back as 1969, Yenko would sell the stripe/emblem kits. The stripes and emblems were even listed in Yenko's 1971 Hi-Performance catalog. Tom

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I thought this issue had been settled to the satisfaction of most. If a COPO that was delivered to Douglass can be proven to be in a group that is verified to have been sold as a Yenko, WITH DON YENKO'S APPROVAL, why wouldn't it be considered a Yenko Camaro NOW? By Yenko's approval and the fact that he essentially partnered with Douglass to produce these cars, the only distinction is that the Douglass cars never made a stop in PA.
Was a Camaro sold at Bill Thomas any less of a Nickey Camaro that one delivered in Chicago? I don't think so, because that was the arrangement the two men had, and, the cars were built the same in both locations. That same standard applies to the Yenko/ Douglass agreement.
I don't really care what value the market places on the two different Yenkos. A case could be made for either being worth more, or less, based on rarity & collectibility.
All that said, I DO think that a Douglass COPO/Yenko should be identified, and, documented as such.

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Tom,
I respectfully have to ask you where you have been for all the Douglass discussion this past Year? Why have you not commented till today?

Are you implying that someone other than Jack Douglass Sold his own COPO orders as Yenkos and that Jack was not authorized to do so?

What became availible in 1971 has absolutely nothing to do with what was sold in 1969.

Jack Douglass was not just anyone off the street. He was one of the Yenko "Authorized" Dealers.

Do you have any evidence that other dealers sold their own COPO orders per the Yenko Blueprint as new Yenkos in 1969.

Have you ever spoken to Jack Douglass or even inspected one of his cars prior to forming this belated opinion.

My Camaro was sold new as a Yenko. This is a documented fact , [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] not just my opinion.

To say that to include Douglass cars as Yenko would mean that you would have to include any car which carried Yenko Stripes as a true Yenko,is an argument without much foundation IMO.

It was not the stripes which made the Douglass Cars Yenkos but the arrangement to sell them to the public as such as well as the way and reason in which they were ordered, in the first place.

Is a Canonsberg Yenko without stripes just a COPO Camaro by your definition?

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Would it be fair to state a Douglass converted Yenko?My question is did Don make anything above the sale of the emblems and stripe kit?If it is or can be proven that he also made money over and above those items then you would have to consider it a converted Yenko.I've seen a flyer that was a handout of Douglass chevrolet that contained the Yenko nova,camaro and chevelle.Isn't that something Don would have to approve or put a stop to if they weren't considered actual Yenkos?I'm not taking either side but you have to ask yourself these questions. Personally I think it's a neat story and a neat car plus they offered colors Don didn't.

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They told me that if I consigned a few cars they would let me in and provide all the free beer I could drink.

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Plying you with liquor hoping you will buy more [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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I am personally not a "stripe" fan. When my car is done the stripes will reside in cardboard box in the trunk. I do know that my car was sold new at Jack Douglass Chevrolet as a Yenko Camaro. Daytona Yellow with black stripes. This is fact. My car was one of the last batch of 25 that Jack ordered from Chevrolet direct, utilizing the COPO code that he discovered. I think Jack Douglass Chevrolet was the 2nd highest volume "supercar yenko" dealer, second only to Yenko Chevrolet.

Jack had a little problem selling this last batch when they arrived. The problem was Jack had been advertising these Yenko cars heavily but it was a tough sale without the stripes. Jack has sold alot of Cannonsburg Yenkos to date and when people came in they said"wheres the stripes? where's the Yenko invoice?

On top of this Don was threatining to sue. They, after a very heated telephone discussion (verified by Don's seceratary, she remenbers because Don said he was going to personally fly out to Chicago and kick Jack's a**)they came to an agreement. Jack would pay Don 400 per car and Don would send him the stripe kits, window stickers, emblems etc.

Was I there? No. Is this true? I think so. Jack is still alive and has corraberated this sequence of events verbatim. Does this make these last batch of yenkos any less of a Yenko than thier Cannonsburg cousins? I can not say with absolute certainty. Time and preference will tell.

In my opinion these are very special cars that were ordered through the COPO system at Chevrolet with some very neat options...endura bumper,am/fm blue dot, bright trim group, interior trim, chambered exhaust and 9737. They were converted to Yenkos in Illinois rather than in Pennsylvania.

Tom, you as administrator of this site have found yourself in a rather unique position. If someone is asking you to verify the validity of one of these cars, I don't believe the opinion of one should be forever be known as "fact". I don't know the right or wrong answer either( and I own one of these !). You could refer them to Ed's site on the Douglass section. http://www.copo.com/L72-VIN-69-Douglas-Camaro.htm
He has done a great job in 100 words or less in describing these cars accurately and honestly, and there is a VIN database on these 25 to boot!

I think until the jury comes back on this one we should refer to our beloved cars as Cannonsburg Yenkos, or Douglass Yenkos. For the non Douglass fans and Cannonsburg purists among us you can simply call them, "one of those Douglass cars. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

*********( Stefano has informed me that I was a little off with regard to paragraph two of this post.(I am a sloppy note taker!) Rather than edit it out, let's wait till tonight as I expect a very long post to be forthcoming from Stefano. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] *******************

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In the past, I had steered away from the debate over the Douglas cars. But once I received an email asking for my opinion on the car, I felt obligated to respond. And, I felt it better to do it here, in the open, where everyone's opinion, not just mine, could be expressed. That way, any potential investors who might frequent this site would know the car's history and how it is classified in the world of supercars. I was not questioning the owner's integrity nor any of the facts surrounding the car. I was simply expressing one man's opinion. It is possible that this discussion could actually raise the value of this car, and others like it. Only time will tell.

Shor; GREAT POST!!! Well said. Tom

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Tom, can you somehow move these last couple of posts over to a "new topic", maybe called Jack Douglass Yenko discussion?

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I just wanted to mention that I grew up only minutes from Jack Douglass Chevrolet, and before I ever purchased my first Yenko, knew the story of Jack Douglass selling Yenko Camaros, and that Jack had found out how to order the cars directly from the factory instead of going through Don Yenko. There was a Daytona Yellow Yenko cruising the streets in the mid seventies that was ordered directly by Jack Douglass. I have since certified this car.
I later learned from talking to Jack Douglass that Don Yenko felt this was an unfair practice. Both agreed that Jack would pay a fee to Don for each Yenko ordered and sold by Douglass. Jack also mentioned that each COPO he ordered was to be outfitted with Yenko stripes and emblems.
In my opinion, these Douglas Yenkos are as collectible as any other Yenko sold through the Canonsburg dealership. In fact, I wouldn't mind having that White Douglas Yenko sitting next to my Black COPO Chevelle! If Stefano would only make me a deal! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif[/img]

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Attention collectors arriving soon-Yenko ertles now in Black,Red, White,Burnished Brown and one or two other colors!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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LOL Tim! I hope not,I don't need any more toy's....

Steve

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Man, this is good stuff! Is the bastard child a legitimate heir to the throne???

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We have got to keep in mind that Don Yenko was above all else a business man. Remember he was a dealer owner and I am probably not the first to tell you that they are the farthest thing from the patron saint of anything! TRUST ME!! We know that he created some of the most awesome muscle cars ever but remember he was out to make a buck. If I read the above posts right I think copolocater mentioned about the profit he made above and beyond the stripes. Shor mentioned that he recived $400 per car. Guys to let you know that was a lot of money for stripes and badges! I would be happy in 2002 to make that profit on a whole car let alone for a stripe kit in 1969. What did they cost in 69 all of $50-$75 dollars?! I think that was a very heafty royalty for the use of his name and stripe scheme because GM provided the rest (COPO PKG). If they sold 25 COPO's and all were sold/marketed as "Yenko's" at $400 a pop x 25 that comes to $10,000!! Well compensated. If everything that I read about Jack Douglass is right in the past year that I have been a member of this site and they sold their COPO's with a Yenko Stripe kit, and paid $400 per car, and their was never a known legit lawsuit/beef between Jack and Don regaurding a copyright infringement than IMO THEY ARE TRUE YENKO CAMAROS!! I for one would actually perfer one of the Douglas cars because they were unleashed on to the world in my own backyard of the Windy City! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Now find me the LUCKY guy with the red /black stripe car. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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So, if all Yenkos are created equal (collectable), does that mean that all Stingers are equal as well? Including the ones that were sold by other dealers, but used (bought $$$) the Stinger kit from Yenko? Tom

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In my opinion. A Douglas 427 COPO Camaro with Yenko stripes is not a Yenko Camaro. It is a copy of a Yenko Camaro. It may be a legal authorized 1969 copy as compared to the illegal copies that are all to common today but still a copy. This is why there are complex Copyright laws. According to legal documents "Copyright law secures for the creator of a creative effort the exclusive right to control who can make copies, or make works derived from the original work." A Yenko Camaro was the creative work of Don Yenko and Yenko Sports Cars. It is no wonder Don was angry with Douglas. Yenko built them (or bought them), modified them, documented them, marketed them and put his name on them. This creative work is the sum of Don's name, racing history, racing sponsorship, magazine advertising, etc., and has a commercial value. That is why Douglas paid Don so he can use the Yenko name and stripes to sell his 427 COPO Camaros. Why didn't he put Douglas stripes and emblems on them? He wanted to copy the Yenko's and take advantage of the Yenko name. Again, this is my opinion, but if the car was not the property of Don Yenko or was not built by Yenko Sports Cars or does not have Yenko documentation, then it is not a Yenko Camaro.

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I also believe these cars are not Yenko's. If you run an NICB report, they come back as Douglas', not Yenko's.

Do you feel that a car bought locally, with mail ordered Motion parts installed, the same as a 'Baldwin-Motion'? We have seen Joel turn down cars that were created in this fashion, how is the Douglas situation any different?

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Joe and Marlin, Of course the NICB comes back as Douglass Chevrolet. These cars were ordered from Douglass, invoiced to Douglass and sold new from Douglass. These cars never made a trip to Cannonsburg. This is not in question.

The Baldwin Motion argument isn't similar. The name "Baldwin Motion" is descriptive of the dealer and the tuner...Baldwin Chevrolet and Joel Rosen.
By the way...the most famous Baldwin Motion Corvette in existence was invoiced and sold new to a Chevrolet dealer in Ashtobula Ohio, then the car was sent to Long Island New York(Joel Rosen) for the conversion process. Two fellow board members can elaborate more than I on this one(mark ?)
Even though I don't believe this is the same situation...... is that car not a Baldwin Motion? If the owner drove the car before sending it to Joel is he disqualified? What if the dealer in ohio sent it first before selling the car to the customer...does it then Qualify?

The Douglass debate is not merely about a sticker kit. That is not what happened in 1969. Was the young man that drove his 1969 Jack Douglass Yenko Camaro with the stripes, emblems, headrests and Yenko invoice in the glovebox off of the dealer lot in June of 69 driving a lesser car than the same man that picked his up in Pennsylvania?

If my car still had it's original paint and original stripes and original Yenko invoice as delivered new in 1969 would I be incorrect to not display it and present it as such? Are we trying to rewrite history here? Are we now applying rules that must be met to describe a car as a Yenko? Who is in charge of the "new" rules?
My car is a Douglass Yenko.

As an aside I have a question for Brian Henderson.
I know how Brian feels about this whole Douglass thing and we differ a little on our opinions but my car is now in his shop awaiting reasemmbly.
Brian , to restore my car "correctly" do you put the stripes, headrests, and Yenko emblems back on ?