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Late BrakeU2 09-03-2005 02:19 AM

A letter from Michael Moore
 
Just for the record I hate fat Moore because of his propaganda and disrespect for those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice for their beliefs.That being said,it's been a dark decade for our great nation-

Subject: Fwd: Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush



Friday, September 2nd, 2005
Dear Mr. Bush:
Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag.
Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?
Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!
I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?
And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!
On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.
There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland.
No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!
You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.
Yours,
Michael Moore
[email protected]
www.MichaelMoore.com
P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st.

Chris396 09-03-2005 04:05 AM

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I think the slow response from the government is an embarrassment.

kwhizz 09-03-2005 04:04 PM

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I think the slow response from the government is an embarrassment.

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I agree...........I am a Bush supporter, but the open borders and this deal are just crazy.......I don't understand his logic in the border area especially...........

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By the way.....Mr Moore is a P.O.S.......But he has the right to say whatever he wants

dreemz 09-03-2005 08:26 PM

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I find it interesting that people with little understanding of the demographics or topography of a place like New Orleans would post a letter from Michael Moore to express their dissatifaction of how the hurricane disaster was managed. Maybe instead of whining or pointing fingers you could send a check to the Red Cross or Salvation Army to help. Do really believe first of all that it's either edifying or constructive to post a letter from someone who loathes the Bush administration as an objective analysis of how the serach/rescue/recovery issue was handled? Instead of politicizing such a monumental tragedy why can't people just try to help make a difference? Or maybe we should try and prove that George Bush was the sole instigator behind Katrina because (as announced by a particular rapper last night on an NBC celebrity fundraiser)he doesn't care about blacks?

ANDY M 09-03-2005 09:51 PM

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I AGREE 100% that proactivity trumps blame every time.
The enormity of the amount of damage is what is hard to comprehend, and even if it is understood, the logistics of saving or helping all of these people is almost incomprehensable.
To try to put it in perspective, if this storm had come down from Canada and hit Lake Erie, there would have been severe damage from Toledo to Erie PA, and flooding as far south as Akron.
It would have taken FEMA a year to prepare for the rescue and clean up operations, and they only had a few days.
Mr. Moore may hate Bush, but there is no doubt that the government was too slow in responding. I'm not a Bush supporter, but I had to agree with him that this is not the worst catastrophe, nor will it be the last, and that the people in rural Mississippi might be the last on the list, but their suffering is just as bad as the folks in NO.
POINT IS:
HELP!! DO WHATEVER YOU CAN!
And pray that this place doesn't get hit again this year. Huricane season is not over yet.

Donutblue 09-03-2005 10:37 PM

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I agree 100 percent that the best way to support those souls in this troubled time is to send $$$$ to some organization whose CEO's and administrators are not taking a major portion of the donated moneys (do some research here, I'm not gonna bash any charitble organizations). Further, it may be a nice gesture to see OPEC open their purse and help the U.S at this time. Not only will these gas prices be attached to all consumer goods, wait until you see what happens to lumber and building supplies ! We all will be paying for this tragedy in one way or another.

427TJ 09-03-2005 11:08 PM

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I don't understand his [Bush's] logic in the border area especially

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It' simple economics. Generally speaking, illegal immigrant labor (Mexican and south and central American, in this case) is the cheapest available. Illegal immigrants don't form labor unions, they don't have pensions or health care/retirement plans, and they are easily replaced by the steady inflow of more illegal immigrants. Oh, and most of them work like draft horses when handed a shovel, hoe, pick, leaf blower, or paint brush, in rain or shine. They also wield a large political influence in certain states (California, for one) via local Hispanic-American political groups. But, the bottom line is economics. Illegal labor does our dirty work and they do it CHEAP. If there's one thing we Americans love it's CHEAP anything, especially cheap labor.

Let's say you want some landscaping work done and you have a choice between an American guy driving a brand new $30,000 diesel crew-cab pickup truck with $2,000+ in chrome wheels and a lift kit. He wants $10,000 to do the job (and he'll probably have a crew of young Hispanic men do it). The other guy is an illegal immigrant from south of the border who has been here for ten years and he drove up in a '70s beater Datsun pickup. He wants $1,000 to do the job and his family will help him. The American guy has a truck payment, a fishing boat payment, and a house payment. He also has a '67 Camaro SS that he wants to buy a crate 502 for. The Hispanic illegal immigrant basically has none of that high-overhead stuff, just himself and his family to feed and a one-room apartment. He sure doesn't have a house payment to worry about. They're both digging a big hole in your backyard. Who will you hire?

(By the way, who does most of the block-sanding and other back breaking work in body shops? You gonna' pay Chip Foose to do it or the Hispanics down the street who'll do it just as well for a tenth of the cost? No offense to Mr. Foose, of course. He deserves every dollar he earns.)

As for the president (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, and on back), his powerful political allies/campaign donors in the business community (agribusiness especially) desperately need illegal labor. American companies have always wanted the cheapest possible labor (cost control) and with illegal immigrants they can scare Americans with the constant threat of replacement.

I work in the airline industry and there are fewer and fewer "Americans" and more and more immigrants in and around the airplanes. My airline fired all of its cabin cleaners (mostly white women but others too) and they have been replaced by Somali women and other (many Muslim) immigrants. All of the local ramp workers (unionized employees with full benefits) were also recently fired and replaced with cheaper workers supplied by an outside vendor (much cheaper). Northwest's mechanics are on strike but were immediately replaced by scabs laid-off from other airlines--the "brotherhood," so to speak. The pressure's on in the race to the bottom.

Basically there's a war on labor and it's been going on for decades. With the recent globalization trends of the past 10-15 years the war on labor has heated up through out-sourcing (China, India) and other downward pressures on the cost of labor. When corporate managers seek cost control they go straight to labor's pockets and shove both hands in. I myself have taken a 32% pay cut this year and my company really wants to cut into my retirement plan when we start contract negotiations in 2006. As far as the airline business is concerned, the demand for lower and lower fares (and higher and higher fuel prices) has a cost and it comes right out of the employee's pockets. My company's management team continues to pay itself generous "performance" cash bonuses and the stock price is up a little.

Illegal and legal immigration has long been a cheap source of labor in this country and it's not about to end just because a few concerned citizens are patrolling the Arizona border. $10,000 vs. $1,000 -- you make that choice every day.

"Buy American" means that your money usually pays for unionized labor with healthcare and retirement benefits. It also pays for new pickups, fishing boats, vacations, college tuition, four-bedroom houses, a musclecar or two in the garage, etc., etc. But, Americans apparently have been speaking with their wallets and purses in recent years and the result is a continued high demand for ever-cheaper products and services. As America "Wal-Mart-izes" the ripple will be felt across the economic spectrum. As American's pay goes down, so does its spending power. Pretty soon that Hispanic illegal immigrant guy asking $1,000 to dig a hole in your backyard is the only choice you'll be able to make.

Oh, as one of the things I've had to cut back on because of my pay cut, I had to stop taking my 5 year-old son to the barber shop for $16 haircuts every few weeks. I now cut his hair in the kitchen with a $15 haircut kit that paid for itself the first time I used it. My barber's wife actually got a bit angry that I am cutting my son's hair. But, my barber buys a new car or truck every six months or so and has moved into three different houses in the seven years I've known him. Think of me as an illegal immigrant barber getting around the high cost of American barbers.

Late BrakeU2 09-03-2005 11:47 PM

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I find it interesting that people with little understanding of the demographics or topography of a place like New Orleans would post a letter from Michael Moore to express their dissatifaction of how the hurricane disaster was managed.[ QUOTE ]


I am very intimate with the goegraphic dynamics of the region,but thanks for the condescending overview.Perhaps you should re read that one paragraph from which you gleaned I was pro.. Moore?

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Maybe instead of whining or pointing fingers you could send a check to the Red Cross or Salvation Army to help.[ QUOTE ]


Exactly,and what I felt was a glaring omission in his letter..but he did have room for Cindy.


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Do really believe first of all that it's either edifying or constructive to post a letter from someone who loathes the Bush administration as an objective analysis of how the serach/rescue/recovery issue was handled?[ QUOTE ]


Yes, both edifying and constructive,because it clearly illustrates the man's political agenda.His callous,glib spin shows absolutely no class while people are still dying by the hour.A real man would have waited till at least the situation stabilized,but hey strike when the iron's hot and let's throw the race card in for good measure.

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Instead of politicizing such a monumental tragedy why can't people just try to help make a difference?[ QUOTE ]


See above

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Or maybe we should try and prove that George Bush was the sole instigator behind Katrina because (as announced by a particular rapper last night on an NBC celebrity fundraiser)he doesn't care about blacks?

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Last time I checked bullets,and extreme weather don't discrimnate but something tells me they would not be sniping dustoffs in Kennebunkport.

jfkheat 09-04-2005 12:27 AM

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It seems that a lot of people want to point fingers at Bush and the Federal government for their slow response to the mess in New Orleans. I agree that the response has been slow but what did the Louisiana local and state governments do to prepair for this? What have they done to help after Katrina hit? From what I have seen, not very much. The New Orleans Mayor and Louisiana governer are as much or more to blame as anyone else. Mississippi and Alabama were hit very hard too but you don't the same things happening there that are happening in in New Orleans.
James

whitetop 09-04-2005 02:53 AM

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I think the biggest lesson to be learned from this whole deal is NEVER rely on the government for your protection and NEVER give up your guns. This is a perfect example how thin that "blue line" actually is.

PC term for looters= "Undocumeted Shoppers"

Keep your powder dry;
whitetop

TDW 09-04-2005 03:21 AM

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Why are they shooting the cops? I see where 30% of the NO police dept. has quit. Was watching an interview with a bunch of cops and they were fired on. Makes no sense to me.

Rick H 09-04-2005 07:29 PM

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what did the Louisiana local and state governments do to prepair for this?

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Easy answer NOTHING!

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The New Orleans Mayor and Louisiana governer are as much or more to blame as anyone else.

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Absolutely correct!

You build a city below sea level that in theory will withstand a catagory 3 Hurricane (wrong thinking there in the first place) only to have a catagory 5 Hurricane barrel down on you, you also get a couple days heads up and you do NOTHING??


Instead of sending in 400-700 buses two days AFTER the hurricane why not send them in 2 days BEFORE the hurricane??

I feel for everyone affected by this disaster and believe that more could have been done before Katrina unleashed her wrath.

Rick H.

NapsterNova 09-04-2005 08:55 PM

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I don't understand his [Bush's] logic in the border area especially

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The Hispanic illegal immigrant basically has none of that high-overhead stuff, just himself and his family to feed and a one-room apartment.

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Same is true with the Irish when they immigrated to the U.S. they worked 18-20 hour days for just a few dollars a week. Many died one the job. In particular the construction of the I&M canal. This is the canal that connected Lake Michigan to the Mississippi and Illinois rivers. It's funny, my grandma tells me stories of how she had to learn English when she came from Italy, there weren't exactly signs in every language or press "1" for? I&M Canal
Just a ramble

RichSchmidt 09-06-2005 01:05 AM

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The fact is that the vast majority of what happened here can be attributed to the ignorance of the people who live in these areas.They were given a fair amount of warning,and the chose to do nothing.We get a lot of crap about how poor they are and how they couldnt afford to leave town,but the fact is hat even celebrities and wealthy rsidents of N.O. stayed behind because they thought they knew better,or they didnt want to sit in traffic or whalk or whatever.It was the popular opinion that this was going to blow over.If all of those who could have left had done so,the rescue workers would have had a fraction of the job that they currently do,and their efforts would have been focused on getting the truly handicapped and unable out of the disaster.Instead they are spending the bulk of their time airlifting out the otherwise able bodied people who own cars and gas cards and should have ben out of there over a week ago.While all of this is happening,the real sick and handicapped are dead inside their homes where nobody will see them until after all able bodied poeple are rescued off the rooftops.

SamLBInj 09-06-2005 01:20 AM

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Why are they shooting the cops? I see where 30% of the NO police dept. has quit. Was watching an interview with a bunch of cops and they were fired on. Makes no sense to me.

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Lawnessness (Sp?)..Amaizing to see, Seeing people taking shoes and food I understand, seeing the idiots stealing the Plasma tvs and stereos while wading through 5 feet of water is beyond belief. As the greatest country in the world we have some serious questions to ask ourselves here.

Belair62 09-06-2005 03:56 AM

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we have some serious questions to ask ourselves here

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Donutblue 09-06-2005 04:53 AM

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Glad to see the Media doing interviews. Think they may have a satallite phone or some grub to hand out. Hey, how about the interviews -- family members looking for each other, aunts, uncles, children. --- Haven't seen any interviews with some concerns for fellow co-workers ????

KnoxvillePig 09-06-2005 06:24 AM

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In my opinion, whether you are a President Bush supporter or a "fat" Mr. Moore lover really does not matter and has no bearing as to what happened in New Orleans.

First, I really want to know why this whole ordeal is being turned into a racial thing. Could we at least wait until we rescue a few people before this crap started. I'll agree that the govermemt's response was maybe (1) day slower than it should have been, but please keep in mind that this is the first time that FEMA has ever had to deal w/ a natural disaster of this magnitude on American soil.
How about giving them a little freakin' time to assemble their efforts.

Second, the liberal media needs to stop turning this into a black and white issue. I was wondering when this crap would start. I get so sick of hearing about this black and white racial discrimination Bulls*@t that I could Fu#@*ng scream!! If you actually think that the government did not respond as quickly because most of the victims were black, then you are indeed a weak minded idiot.

Everyone was warned about the impending danger and had ample opportunity to evacuate. I'll agree that there were some people who did not have the ability or the resources to get out, but for the most part people were just too
Got Damn ignorant to realize the danger. On second thought, maybe when the government has taken care of them for generations and they just don't give a rat's ass what happens because the government will take care of that too.

Finally, I'll tell you why they are shooting at police officers and emergency responders and why they are raping innocent women and children. The reason is because they are common thugs. It's funny how something like a disaster brings out the true colors in people. Why do you need to steal a plasma TV, a dozen leather jackets or a new Cadillac in a time of desperation?? Is this to feed your kids?? Hell no!! You have ceased the opportunitry for capital gain and are showing your true colors as a common criminal.

Shoot all the F*#@ing Looters and that problem will stop. You can then get to more important duties such as rescue operations.

Several of us have been blessed. Some of us have spent more money on a car than some people have paid for a home and that is nobody's business but yours. Please just remember all the innocent people who need America's help in New Orleans.
I have volunteered my services and will probably be sent within the next couple of weeks to help in relief efforts and to restore order.

I'll ask you, Where will "fat" Mr. Moore be during these people's time of need? Will he be pitching in to help the innocent find food, water and shelter or will he be stuffing his fat face w/ another meatball sub inside his $3 million dollar mansion while playing armchair quarterback to something he has no clue as to what is really going on?

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Dave Rifkin 09-06-2005 03:37 PM

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In my opinion, whether you are a President Bush supporter or a "fat" Mr. Moore lover really does not matter and has no bearing as to what happened in New Orleans.

First, I really want to know why this whole ordeal is being turned into a racial thing. Could we at least wait until we rescue a few people before this crap started. I'll agree that the govermemt's response was maybe (1) day slower than it should have been, but please keep in mind that this is the first time that FEMA has ever had to deal w/ a natural disaster of this magnitude on American soil.
How about giving them a little freakin' time to assemble their efforts.

Second, the liberal media needs to stop turning this into a black and white issue. I was wondering when this crap would start. I get so sick of hearing about this black and white racial discrimination Bulls*@t that I could Fu#@*ng scream!! If you actually think that the government did not respond as quickly because most of the victims were black, then you are indeed a weak minded idiot.

Everyone was warned about the impending danger and had ample opportunity to evacuate. I'll agree that there were some people who did not have the ability or the resources to get out, but for the most part people were just too
Got Damn ignorant to realize the danger. On second thought, maybe when the government has taken care of them for generations and they just don't give a rat's ass what happens because the government will take care of that too.

Finally, I'll tell you why they are shooting at police officers and emergency responders and why they are raping innocent women and children. The reason is because they are common thugs. It's funny how something like a disaster brings out the true colors in people. Why do you need to steal a plasma TV, a dozen leather jackets or a new Cadillac in a time of desperation?? Is this to feed your kids?? Hell no!! You have ceased the opportunitry for capital gain and are showing your true colors as a common criminal.

Shoot all the F*#@ing Looters and that problem will stop. You can then get to more important duties such as rescue operations.

Several of us have been blessed. Some of us have spent more money on a car than some people have paid for a home and that is nobody's business but yours. Please just remember all the innocent people who need America's help in New Orleans.
I have volunteered my services and will probably be sent within the next couple of weeks to help in relief efforts and to restore order.

I'll ask you, Where will "fat" Mr. Moore be during these people's time of need? Will he be pitching in to help the innocent find food, water and shelter or will he be stuffing his fat face w/ another meatball sub inside his $3 million dollar mansion while playing armchair quarterback to something he has no clue as to what is really going on?

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SamLBInj 09-06-2005 06:57 PM

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We have become a country of blamers, whenever disaster strikes there will always be somebody blaming somebody else, in New Orleans case you did not need a degree in rocket science to figure out that a storm blowing 150mph+ carrying 20 foot high storm surge waters into an area 17 feet below sea level would create a few problems. Every time I go there and watch the ships cruise by above me I knew eventually this day would come, not a matter of if but when.
So now there is a major problem and we have ole Jesse Jackson on his soap box saying its a racial thing and we have Michael Moore saying its a political thing in reality its a stupidity thing. Im not trying to be harsh but if you were too ignorant or stupid to get the hell out of there then dont complain that you had to spend a week on your roof or up in some tree. You knew it was coming and you knew you had time to get out. Better safe than sorry, just get in your car or on a bus to Oklahoma or where ever and go for a ride till its over. Im sure theres a few who needed real help, but the majority who stayed were either curious, stupid or both.
Im interested in seeing if they rebuild the city below sea level again or try to do it right and fill it in then rebuild.

Kim_Howie 09-06-2005 07:14 PM

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I will be 55 this month and the civil engineer down are about the same age. They went tru the 1969 storm and knew that would again happen, but did they build for this?? HELL NO they sat back and did nothing. Hey when you stand back there and notice that ships are above you, maybe you could get wet!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif P.S. F%#@ michal moore!!!

SamLBInj 09-06-2005 07:26 PM

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I live on an Island north of Atlantic City, We had a storm in 1962 that almost wiped us out.
You can not build or remodel a house here unless you put all living space and mechanicals above the elevation 10 mark, which basically means 10 feet above sea level. and all if not most must be on pilings set at least 20 feet in the ground.
If we get a storm like that you will see a bunch of houses sitting way up in the air, if they survive that is..
New codes as of Nov. last year are now for 110mph which would still not be good enough if a storm like Katrina hit.
If one comes Ill be in Nevada watching it on tv..

BARN FIND 09-06-2005 07:53 PM

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I live on an Island north of Atlantic City, We had a storm in 1962 that almost wiped us out.
You can not build or remodel a house here unless you put all living space and mechanicals above the elevation 10 mark, which basically means 10 feet above sea level. and all if not most must be on pilings set at least 20 feet in the ground.
If we get a storm like that you will see a bunch of houses sitting way up in the air, if they survive that is..
New codes as of Nov. last year are now for 110mph which would still not be good enough if a storm like Katrina hit.
If one comes Ill be in Nevada watching it on tv..

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TYBEE ISLAND, GA is the same way. The last time a hurricane looked like it was going to hit us we loaded the SUV with clothes, our photo albums and put my SS Camaro on the trailer and headed North to a friends house in Augusta, GA. 90% of the people on Tybee stayed to "ride it out"...nuts! My mother in-law lives in the house now...I took my family and moved north (TN).

rsatz28 09-06-2005 08:45 PM

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It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!
Yours,
Michael Moore


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This is how uninformed people are regarding this subject. From an article in todays Chicago Tribune.

Money and transportation -- two keys to surviving a natural disaster -- were inaccessible for many who got left behind in the Gulf region's worst squalor.

"It's a different equation for poor people," explained Dan Carter, a University of South Carolina historian. "There's a certain ease of transportation and funds that the middle class in this country takes for granted."


Jack Harrald, director of the Institute for Crisis, Disaster and Risk Management at George Washington University in Washington, said but the government spent more time and money preparing itself -- rather than communities -- for disaster.

"All issues were known," said Harrald, whose institute had been scheduling a series of emergency planning community meetings through a partnership with the University of New Orleans. "But it was still a work in progress. ... There's enough blame to go around for everybody."

The AP analysis showed:

* Median household income in the most devastated neighborhood was $32,000, or $10,000 less than the national average.

* Two in 10 households in the disaster area had no car, compared with 1 in 10 in nationwide.

* Nearly 25 percent of those living in the hardest-hit areas were below the poverty line, about double the national average. About 4.5 percent in the disaster area received public assistance; nationwide, the number was about 3.5 percent.

* About 60 percent of the 700,000 people in the three dozen neighborhoods were minority. Nationwide, about 1 in 3 Americans is a racial minority.

* One in 200 American households doesn't have adequate plumbing. One in 100 households in the most affected areas didn't have decent plumbing, which, according to the Census, includes running hot and cold water, a shower or bath and an indoor toilet.

* Nationwide, about 7 percent of households with children are headed by a single mother. In the three dozen neighborhoods, 12 percent were single-mother households.

"It's the same people who don't have the wherewithal to get out of Dodge," explained National Guard Lt. Col. Connie McNabb, who was running a medical unit at the besieged convention center in New Orleans.

The disparities were even more glaring in large, urban areas. One of the worst-hit neighborhoods in the heart of New Orleans, for example, had a median household income of less than $7,500. Nearly three of every four residents fell below the poverty line, and barely 1 in 3 people had a car.



Chris396 09-06-2005 10:43 PM

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Why didn't the government get food and water and medical personnel to the superdome? That is inexcusable in my opinion. In understand that they couldn't get all those people out of there. Blame everyone you want but as Bush said before his first term. My administration will be accountable. However nothing is ever his fault and no one is ever held accountable for mistakes. He's a small man filling a large roll. The president of the United States can't say, "I want food and water down to those people NOW!"

I have to say as a working class guy I have seen so many silver spoon guys rise way above where they should be. There are so many mediocre people in high places.

ORIGLS6 09-07-2005 12:00 AM

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we have some serious questions to ask ourselves here

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"....did I fire 6 shots or only 5 ? ...In all this excitement I kinda lost track myself. Being that this is a 44 Magnum,the most powerful handgun in the world and can take your head clean off...you've got to ask yourself 1 question...do you feel lucky...well....do ya punk ? " https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Oh Bob......... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif If we lived closer we could be REALLY dangerous! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

SamLBInj 09-07-2005 12:13 AM

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Why didn't the government get food and water and medical personnel to the superdome?

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Because the manpower to do it is in a far away place risking their lives to make sure the worlds supply of cheap oil doesnt get into the wrong hands....
If Kuwait or Saudi Arabia were hit by such a disaster we would have been there with bells on within hours maybe even minutes...there is no lucrative contract to be had by Halliburton to get supplys into the superdome.
I am betting that there were choppers taking people to the off shore oil rigs faster than getting food and water to the Dome.
Face the facts, Our country needs oil more than poverty stricken people
Its not a racial thing, its a money thing.
Now we know, its up to us, the common folk, to come to the rescue.
Hey where is France in all this? New Orleans is almost a province of France, they should be helping out huge but I havent heard anything yet. Did they surrender already?

ANDY M 09-07-2005 01:30 AM

Re: A letter from Michael Moore
 
France responded to our request for aid, and the French are helping.
Where are Exxon, BP, Shell, Sunoco, etc. Not one oil company has publicly offered ANYTHING. They feel that they are the victims here, yet for all of their profits they contribute nothing.

Kim_Howie 09-07-2005 01:37 AM

Re: A letter from Michael Moore
 
Just like most of your movie stars!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

Mr. T 09-07-2005 01:44 AM

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Just like most of your movie stars!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

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I agree Kim. Where is that Liberal Hollywood bunch, like Streisand, Whoopie, Tim Robbins, Susan Surandon? Don't hear a peep from them. I better stop, before I go into a political rant! Nice talking with you at the Reunion Kim!

jfkheat 09-07-2005 01:47 AM

Re: A letter from Michael Moore
 
Actually, Exxon has donated $2M and BP donated $1M. Here is a site that show some of the major companies that have donated.
James

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/news...rms_hurricane/

Kim_Howie 09-07-2005 01:49 AM

Re: A letter from Michael Moore
 
Tony I had a great time talking with you. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

Belair62 09-07-2005 02:58 AM

Re: A letter from Michael Moore
 
hmmm...Mr T...another trouble maker....had to keep my eye on him too.

Mr. T 09-07-2005 03:00 AM

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hmmm...Mr T...another trouble maker....had to keep my eye on him too.

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I believe you kept both of your eyes on me Bob. Had a great time bs'in with you!

Late BrakeU2 09-07-2005 03:02 AM

Re: A letter from Michael Moore
 
Bottom line is some people chose not to heed the gravitas of the warning,and are dead because of laziness.where I live you don't get that option with earthquakes.These blowhards can pontificate all day assigning blame,but in the end the bigger picture is history will relate that Katrina was not an anomoly,as much as a harbinger for the future of "normal" tropical cyclonic weather.Blame it on those aerosol hair spray cans yo momma used for her beehive back when your 69 was rolling down the line-the earth is in a paradyne.. we have pretty much poisoned it since the industrial age(did you know they are furnishing welding glasses to people in the highest elevations in peru because they are going blind from a hole in the ozone?)This was a perfect storm,was it the only one?
http://www.weather.com/newscenter/tr...=wxcenter_news

Belair62 09-07-2005 03:03 AM

Re: A letter from Michael Moore
 
Same here...no really...I trust ya T...

Belair62 09-07-2005 03:06 AM

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(did you know they are furnishing welding glasses to people in the highest elevations in peru because they are going blind from a hole in the ozone?)

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Xplantdad 09-07-2005 05:10 AM

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hmmm...Mr T...another trouble maker....had to keep my eye on him too.

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I believe you kept both of your eyes on me Bob. {edit}

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Hmm....I did notice Bob getting kinda googly eyed when you were around, "T" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

Nice meeting up with you again. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

SamLBInj 09-07-2005 05:27 AM

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did you know they are furnishing welding glasses to people in the highest elevations in peru because they are going blind from a hole in the ozone?)

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Im sure the space program has had little to do with puching holes in the ozone layer...These guys find that same little hole each time they come and go into space https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif Now I get to have a bunch of unidentifiable objects in my coffee grounds because some bean picker in Peru forget his damn welding goggles https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

Mr. T 09-07-2005 05:33 AM

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Now I get to have a bunch of unidentifiable objects in my coffee grounds because some bean picker in Peru forget his damn welding goggles https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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Sorry about your taxi ride Sam.


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