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http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1.../belvedere.jpg

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I heard the water was a 4 feet initially. This true?

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what is it a dodge maybe? Is jimmy hoffa in that thing https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

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Now they say the water is toxic,they did store gasoline in there too...I guess the thinking was they planned on firing her up and driving away.

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I read a bunch on this thing over the last couple of years like you guys but never read where they pickled the running gear..did I miss that part???

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thought that was not to be opened till friday?? Is that the 57 Plymouth from Tulsa???

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Good blog Here: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ight=tulsarama

Video Here: http://www.kotv.com/e-clips/?id=6709

7 FEET OF WATER. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...-I-Have-It.gif

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More Video. TV Anchor states car was completely submerged.

http://www.kotv.com/e-clips/?id=6717

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TULSA, Okla. (AP) _ Workers unearthing the 1957 Plymouth Belvedere buried under the city's courthouse lawn were dealt an early setback Wednesday, as several feet of water were found in the concrete vault supposedly strong enough to withstand a nuclear attack.

The two-door hardtop, buried in 1957 to celebrate Oklahoma's 50 years of statehood, is set to be lifted out of the 12-foot-by-20-foot time capsule Friday morning to commemorate the state's centennial year. As many as 50,000 people from all over the world are expected at the event, and more than 260 media credentials have been handed out to reporters from New York to New Zealand.

But news of the standing water was crushing to event organizers. As heavy rain fell at the site, the Belvedere's fate remained unknown.

The vault was briefly opened Wednesday so hazardous materials crews could inspect the 10 gallons of gasoline and motor oil cans that had been placed in the time capsule in case internal combustion engines became obsolete by 2007.

Excavators found water halfway up on the car's fenders and more evidence water could have been to the top of the vault at one point, said Art Couch, who is heading up the unearthing project.

``I don't know how bad it is, but it's not good,'' Couch said. ``We were hoping it would be dry in there.''

It's obvious that the trunk lid is completely gone. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole car folds in half when they try to lift it out. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif

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Well, if nothing else, they've learned at least one thing from this ordeal...












how NOT to put a car away for long-term storage! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif

Eric

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well... If the vault was full how could the level of water gone down if there was no dranage in the vault?

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It's pretty tuff to make concrete watertight and it obviously leaked at the joint of floor and walls. Groundwater could enter this way, too, but looking at the top of the walls and the goo in the bottom, it appears the lid was not sealed properly - a major mistake. A drainage system around the peremiter would have done a lot.....

So water enters at top and does not drain out unless the groundwater is low enough to allow it to escape through the floor/side joint.

I think it will take more than a 5 gal can of Safest Rust Remover on this one......

Dave

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Well at least they did that to a Belvedere, and not a 57 (take your pick of any number of AWESOME vehicles available that year)

Lynn

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well... If the vault was full how could the level of water gone down if there was no dranage in the vault?

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Maybe there really was no water but the excavation is being done by the same crew as in Eric's posting a few days back and they've gotten into that old case of Schlitz that was in the car ? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif.

Seriously, this thing will not be in good shape as these cars had serious rust problems from day one anyway...and if the torsion bars or mountings haven't failed yet, it probably will as soon as they set it down after extraction from the tomb?.

~ Pete
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Thank God they didn't decide to use a '57 fuelly 'Vette!

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At least it's parked in the right spot! Reseal the tomb and say goodnight.....this party's over.


Steve https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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I first heard about the buried car five years ago and was telling a friend, who is an engineer specializing in irrigation and groundwater and he laughed his ass off. He predicted a soggy mess.

The concrete tomb would have had to be sealed sides bottem and top with a watertight membrane,and with that there was no guarantee that there wouldnt be some leaking before 50 years was up. Anybody ever have a roof guaranteed for 50 years?

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Well at least they did that to a Belvedere, and not a 57 (take your pick of any number of AWESOME vehicles available that year)

Lynn

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ouch...shot to the gut to us mopar guys.. either way its a bummer to see the car in such a terrible state. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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You can rightly criticize on the quality control and rust issues of '57 Plymouth/Dodge/Chryslers, but you can't honestly criticize the styling. "Suddenly it's 1960" and they made the mighty GM write off everything they planned, which made their bloated '58's a one-year only design, and gave a hurried green light to the wild '59's as they played catch up.

For the record, I love just about everything '57, but the top of my list would probably be a '57 Chrysler 300C convertible (assuming I found one without rust issues....)

Better watch your driveway, CHRISTINE'S gonna be coming to run your Plymouth-criticizing butt down....

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I think '57 Plymouth hardtops are great looking cars. They typify the wonderful styling excesses of their era. Men wore narrow ties, smoked pipes, mom was at home, Beaver and Wally were clean-cut and obeyed their parents and teachers, Lockheed Super Constellations roared overhead coast-to-coast, sonic booms rattled our windows as USAF interceptors gaurded our skies against Commie intruders and cars had sweeping fins and ever-larger engines. There were bad things too but the '57 Plymouth wasn't one of them!

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It's obvious that the trunk lid is completely gone. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole car folds in half when they try to lift it out. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif

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It may just look that way due to the fins holding the cover up higher on the sides.

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Well at least they did that to a Belvedere, and not a 57 (take your pick of any number of AWESOME vehicles available that year)

Lynn

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ouch...shot to the gut to us mopar guys.. either way its a bummer to see the car in such a terrible state. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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Well, if I said anything to offend you, I want you to know... it is only because I tried my best!

Just kidding. Absolutely no offense meant. Actually, ANY car from 1957 would have some "cool" factor. But you gotta admit a 57 Vette, or an Eldo Convertible, or a Nomad, or even a 57 Chevy 2 door hard top. Just so many iconic cars from the period. Was just saying they had a lot to choose from. Hey, I am sure these guys still think it was the best choice:

http://www.plymouthcentral.com/57Belvedere1.html

They will be crying in their beer tonite.

Lynn

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Anyone looking for some mint '57 Plymouth glass?

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i would suggest whoever gets to claim the Plymouth to have it displayed "as is". its a sure bet its got the lowest miles of any unrestored 57 anything built.

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What a shame. I had a gut feeling that was going to happen , They poorly planed the whole thing. I get a kick that they seem to think it will be fine because they bagged it.
After 50 years that plastic is not holding the water out if anything when they pull it out is were they are going to be in trouble What gets my goat is that weasel boyd is trying to get in to the picture
When I was 16 I had the same car same color 1st I had a 318 in it then later pulled that out and dropped in a 413. I also had a 57 Chrysler with a 392 Heim. I should have keep that one, but back in those days cars came to me very cheep

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It's probably gonna' stink to high-heaven. Better display it behind glass.

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The detail of how the car was prepaired is here: http://www.tulsahistory.org/events/buriedcar.htm

"A huge plastic bag made by Kennedy Car Liners was positioned over the car with the bottom edges heat sealed to the base sheet, leaving a 4-inch slot opening. The air in the bag was then vacuumed out through the slot producing a hermetically-sealed container."

So the question is if the seals on the bag held or not? The weight of the water pressing against the bag due to the vault leak is the biggest potential source of the seam failure or puncture failure. The bag does look still collapsed in the inital Photos. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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the bag didnt work.

look at all the cell phones..

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1.../Dsc08742R.jpg

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what bag?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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damn sharp fins cut the bag when it was under water. maybe a sea turtle or a shark attacked it it? I am really shocked it hasn't broken in two upon lifting !! what a shame.

I bet those guys in Latrobe could spiff up the interior after seeing the job they did on the 68 dana https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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See it all here:

http://www.tulsachevys.com/Images/buriedcar/index.html

Nothin a little soap and water will not clean up https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif.

BTW.... The lift plan was modified a tad. They had originally planned to lift it Tomorrow at noon and by the two center beam method only. They already practiced on a car in Kansas that way - so by using a multi point "fly" they must have been concerned it would actually break in half.

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The practice fly as planned by the commitee: http://kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=129104

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Can some one tell me why in the world is Boyd trying to do https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
It all over the web that he is taking the car, paid the city big bucks for it I thought it was going to the person that guessed the population of the city in 2007.Now this weasel
Is in the picture. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif What ever the condition of the car NO way do I want to see a TV show of Boyd the weasel cutting up this car https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gifI really do not like this guy

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I don't know about everyone else, but every time I've seen something being lowered that deep into the ground with a concrete surround it was meant as a tomb....yikes...

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Well so much for the unveiling https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif just watched a news cast Boyd Coddington has been in the vault most of the night working on the engine They wanted to see if it whould start right up for tonight https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif
Of all of the morons out there Boyd seemed to just weasel his way in https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif
They are support to remove the plastic for the first time tonight But Boyd all ready did this When asked if it would run all he said you will have to see tonight
Some how I smell a RAT https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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can I get a link for that newcast Norm??

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Norm, what's your beef with Coddington? He's past his prime, but.... who cares? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Coddington might be able to draw cars and slam some doors and mix some bondo, what are his mechanical skills. Why not get a crew from the old Chrysler Tech school days where they were required to get a car running after sorting out the bugs.

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http://kotv.com/news/topstory/?id=129540
KOTV will be streaming this live a 6pm CST https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif
Tickets were sold out. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif
30,000 people expected. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif
My prediction: Biggest waste of time since Geroldo opened Al Capone's so-called vault. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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My prediction: Biggest waste of time since Geroldo opened Al Capone's so-called vault. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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I'll second that.