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Looks pretty convincing to me. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Yahtzee! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Oh wait, does that mean Lillard was right about something? LOL!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Guess that Camaro Book is wrong. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

Good info there.. Kudos to Ed for posting..

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Check out the page in the Camaro book showing the door jamb VIN sticker. Anything odd about that VIN? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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Check out the page in the Camaro book showing the door jamb VIN sticker. Anything odd about that VIN? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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It's missing the '0' for 1970 model..

On the subject, great the document has surfaced...even better that it's from a credible source!. And good luck to whoever finds the car...if it still exists!.

Also considering the sources as credible, I'd believe the other existing car mentioned as genuine...it just 'sounds' more suspicious when the info isn't shared?.

I know we've touched on this slightly here before, but is there an L78 only fan shroud unique for the automatic trans...or any other unique part #'s known produced for the '70 Camaro L78/M40 application?.

~ Pete
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Ha !!!! And Chuck is still not believing ?

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credible source https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif.....please

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I understand that I am not playing on a level field anytime I engage Mr Lillard. We, the interested enthusiats are only looking for a veriable Camaro that proves the existance of the L-78/M-40 being mfg.


"Chuck kept saying it was BS, fake etc. I offered to bet Chuck or anyone else 5,000.00 that the car was real but got no takers, just more accusations. RickH ..I believe after the Scuncio sheet was posted even you believe it is real but just like to argue.
I'm still looking for someone to bet me 5K........"

This current discussion involves TWO different subjects of a similar nature:

1) Once again is the 70 White Camaro in Calif a real, born with T-400, M-40 L-78. I would like to have knowledgable 70 Camaro ACA judges or NCRS or ??? people inspect the car and answer MY punchlist of questions, but that isnt going to happen.......and NO I'm not going to be bullied by a man with more financial means than most of us to put up $5000 of my hard earned income to prove it

2) The other new issue involves Scuncio's dealer invoice for a certain 70 Camaro M-40/L-78 (that has nothing to do with the alledged M-40/L-78 in paragraph

At the "end of the day" somebody besides myself.......has to think its very strange that NOBODY has any picture, testimonial, brochure, article, of a FACTORY BORN 70 Camaro L-78/M-40 ever existing.............
What with all the misc rare Chevrolet/GM models that exist today, ala ZL-1's, COPO's, 67 Z-28, etc etc etc........NOBODY can show any pictures or has personal knowledge of SEEING one back in the day........NEW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I would rather have to prove the existence of "bigfoot" then deal with this hot potato... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

wilma

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I understand that I am not playing on a level field anytime I engage Mr Lillard. We, the interested enthusiats are only looking for a veriable Camaro that proves the existance of the L-78/M-40 being mfg.

"Chuck kept saying it was BS, fake etc. I offered to bet Chuck or anyone else 5,000.00 that the car was real but got no takers, just more accusations. RickH ..I believe after the Scuncio sheet was posted even you believe it is real but just like to argue.
I'm still looking for someone to bet me 5K........"

This current discussion involves TWO different subjects of a similar nature:

1) Once again is the 70 White Camaro in Calif a real, born with T-400, M-40 L-78. I would like to have knowledgable 70 Camaro ACA judges or NCRS or ??? people inspect the car and answer MY punchlist of questions, but that isnt going to happen.......and NO I'm not going to be bullied by a man with more financial means than most of us to put up $5000 of my hard earned income to prove it

2) The other new issue involves Scuncio's dealer invoice for a certain 70 Camaro M-40/L-78 (that has nothing to do with the alledged M-40/L-78 in paragraph

At the "end of the day" somebody besides myself.......has to think its very strange that NOBODY has any picture, testimonial, brochure, article, of a FACTORY BORN 70 Camaro L-78/M-40 ever existing.............
What with all the misc rare Chevrolet/GM models that exist today, ala ZL-1's, COPO's, 67 Z-28, etc etc etc........NOBODY can show any pictures or has personal knowledge of SEEING one back in the day........NEW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Chuck wait a minute. Ed posted a copy of an invoice for a L78/M40. He stated that the car was shipped to the dealer on 05/04/70 and did not sell untill 01/28/71. Isn't that a heck of a lot for him to just make up? If he can provide that info where is the doubt that there is at least one documented example? You have to believe now that there was at least one example produced based on this invoice. This new found info holds a lot more water than that paragraph in the Camaro Buyer's Guide. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Just cause I haven't personally shaken hands with George Washington doesn't mean he never existed..

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Not to add fuel to the fire but I think there was a time when each one of the above mentioned cars was thought to not exist and was just a figment of someones imagination...until paperwork to back up the claim surfaced. I think that invoice is a giant leap towards showing that one (or two) of these cars was ordered, built and delivered.

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Bullied ? You have basically called Jack a liar and were convinced that someone would see the floors had been messed with to convert it from a 4 speed to auto. It is not going to cost you dime if it is a fake like you are so sure it is. In fact you could make 5000.00. My being willing to bet 5K was to make a point at how convinced I am that it is a real car. As for why nobody post pics from back in the day. The Scuncio post told you the cars did not sell well ad sat on lots. Why publish pics of a un-popular car ? Some guy writes a book saying they weren't built and you post a huge pic of the book as if it is gospel ? This is silly. Nobody remembers them from back in the day ? Jack still has his from back in the day but just because a judge hasn't seen it you think it is fake. The president of our Camaro club saw it and the paperwork and says it is real. You and RickH are determined to believe nothing. Do you or RickH really think the guy with the Scuncio paperwork is making this up ? ....Wait while I slam on the brakes before I fall off the edge of the world......

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I've been there...not much going on... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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What the hell is an L70!? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/stupid.gif

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At the "end of the day" somebody besides myself.......has to think its very strange that NOBODY has any picture, testimonial, brochure , article, of a FACTORY BORN 70 Camaro L-78/M-40 ever existing.............

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In all fairness, check the 70 Camaro brochure for an L78 option... Ain't there. I'm pretty sure the ones we own aren't fakes.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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Ohhhhhhh, this is way toooo much fun not to jump in on this one !!

As stated by others many a time before, I always hesitate to put tooooo much credibility in printed reference books. I have dozens of "expert" books with all kinds of typos in them. We have to remember that this info is gathered from all forms of resources, some of which may possibly be wrong to begin with, and then typed and entered and re-entered and re-typed and checked and proof-read and they still manage to get through with various mistakes.

As far as Michael Antonick's "Camaro White Book" goes, the same thing applies. He's an incredibly intelligent and knowledgeable enthusiast, and has been involved in "originality" and "numbers" since before most people ever thought about it, but he's also just a "gatherer and passer" of information, not the one who actually creates the data. As a simple example, here's a quote in reference to 1973 Camaros from one of his White books (this one being a 1993 edition):
"Other 1973 Z28 changes included a Holley carburetor to replace the Rochester Quadrajet, a cast iron intake manifold to replace aluminum, and a lower retail price."
Did you catch that? Now, all my 73 Z's have had a Q-jet, and all my 72 Z's have had Holleys, not the other way around. Just a simple reversal of the carb names, but that's what happens. I told Mike about that typo years ago and he probably corrected it in later editions, but he did say that in publishing not all words are Gospel......

So I put more credence in documents or actual cars, which can be verified or disqualified if need be. And unless I'm about to shell out my hard earned dollars on something, I don't demand "proof" of anything. I just take it all in with a grain of salt and wait until others bash it out in public (much more fun that way)......

Charlie

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....Wait while I slam on the brakes before I fall off the edge of the world......

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I've been there...not much going on... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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Hey Joe...welcome back! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

BTW...Chuck, what motive would Ed have for making this up?

You keep saying "show me" something that proves that the L78 Auto existed...now there are two different VERIFIABLE ways listed. Ed's invoice...and the Camaro that Charley is talking about. If you are so sure that Charley's friends car is a fake....it's money in your pocket! You have nothing to lose...so, what are you waiting for?

BTW...at the end of the day...none of it really matters anyway. Opening my eyes tomorrow morning and seeing my family is what matters. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Charley,
Although I do have a different view then others do me a favor and keep me out of your posting addressed to others. I would appreciate it.

Rick H.

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To ask for a picture of an auto 70 L78 is rediculous. There may be many pictures out there of that very car. The problem is you cannot see the engine and shifter at the same time. The auto and 4 speed car would look the same on the exterior and those are the pictures used for advertising, etc. Also, we are talking about a low production number here. There were 602 67 Z's made, that is more than all the 70 L-78s- auto and 4 speed combined. I know I would have ordered a L-78 with a 4 speed, along with most others out there. There were probably very few auto L78s made, but it looks like there is proof that there was a few made. Chuck, if you are so sure there were none made than why don't you take Charlies bet and turn your hard earned $5K into $10K. Now that would be easy money.


Jason

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I would rather have to prove the existence of "bigfoot" then deal with this hot potato... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

wilma

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He does exist...his name is 427King..here is a shot of him...ok back to the Camaro

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...px-Smalfut.jpg

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Just cause I haven't personally shaken hands with George Washington doesn't mean he never existed..

Did George, when having to urinate very badly, coin the phrase, "My teeth are floating!"

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In all fairness, check the 70 Camaro brochure for an L78 option... Ain't there. I'm pretty sure the ones we own aren't fakes.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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And where's the LS-6 info on the '70 Chevelle brochures?

"They NEVER built a Z-28 Convertible!"

"They NEVER built an L-89 Nova."

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"Dennis Cumby will NEVER get married again"... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif