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dreemz 02-17-2008 06:39 AM

BEST OF BALDWIN MOTION
 
On November 30, 1968, Joel Rosen sat down with Roberto Schneider, the grandson of a wealthy Mexican industrialist to fill an order for one of the most significant muscle car purchases in Baldwin Motion history. In the spring of 1969, Motion Performance completed two heavily optioned Phase III cars according to this order. They were built to specification with no regard to cost. They were then placed in storage on Long Island until the fall of 1970 while the President of Mexico, Gustavo Diaz Ordaz, personally endeavored to secure permits to get them into Mexico. The request to the president of Mexico came from the Governor of Chihuahua, Oscar Flores. The Governor's daughter was to marry Roberto Schneider, and the permits which were exceedingly rare and difficult to obtain, were to be the actual wedding present to the groom.

The two SS427 cars included a Camaro and Chevelle. Many are aware of the Camaro as it was part of the Otis Chandler collection. With the help of Joel Rosen, I was able to locate the Chevelle. As there had been extensive rumor and conjecture, I figured I would do my best to find Roberto Schneider in Mexico and establish a clear history. I started with a private investigator in El Paso, Texas who traveled into Chihuahua Province, Mexico. Roberto was finally located on his 90,000 acre ranch and I subsequently made contact. Roberto extended a personal invitation for me to visit and I chartered a plane to take me into Central Mexico.

It was during the three days I spent with him that I learned of the history discussed above. It is just a fraction of the amazing history of these two cars as well as his life. In fact, were not much of it documented with original photos, it is almost unbelievable. Roberto sent me home with personal family photo albums.

The Chevelle history is documented with: uninterrupted ownership history back to Roberto Schneider, interim ownership by Joel Rosen, (and his letter of course), original photos of the brand new car in front of Motion Performance, photos of the car as found 20 years later retaining it's original paint, Motion paint scheme, it's original Torque Thrust wheels, etc and it's original build sheet showing shipping to Baldwin Motor Company.

Nonetheless, my primary motivation for posting this information is to announce the invitation of the car to the Amelia Concours in Florida on the weekend of March 8th and 9th. The Chevelle will debut for the first time ever. In addition, it will be displayed hitched together with the Camaro in tow, just as it left Long Island almost 38 years ago in route to Texas. In fact, we will be using the very NMW tow bar used in September 1970 as it has been with the Camaro ever since. Much more to come...

Xplantdad 02-17-2008 06:45 AM

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CW https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif...that's awesome! Can't wait to see it in person...but I'll have to live through the pics for now! Whenever you post them up....that is. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

JoeG 02-17-2008 07:10 AM

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif o-lay.......

RUQUIK 02-17-2008 07:21 AM

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That is a wonderful story, it will be great to see the Chevelle that Tom Johnson always talked about. Tom was a good friend of mine and to this day I still coach his grand daughters in Select Softball. I had the priveledge of driving the Green Motion car on several occaisions down the local Blvd. Even have some pics of it in Tom's Driveway. In his day he own a bunch of really neat cars and loved all muscle cars. I remember he said on many occasions that he wished he would have bought both cars in Mexico. Again great story.

Roy

SSjeff427 02-17-2008 07:47 AM

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What was the color combination on the chevelle? Exterior color combination and interior? Also, is the event at Amelia Island open to the public? I will be working in Charleston SC Wed Thur and Friday the week of the event, it would be stupid to be that close and not drive on down to Amelia Island to see that kind of history.
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gifThanks,

mockingbird812 02-17-2008 09:22 AM

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An <u> INCREDIBLE </u> and <u>SIGNIFICANT </u> piece of muscle car history being brought back to all of its glory. Your hard work, patience, and incredible diligence have paid off in a big way. Nicely done Mark. Best wishes in FL!

shor 02-17-2008 09:23 AM

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Is Amelia Concours a car auction? or a car show?

PeteLeathersac 02-17-2008 10:04 AM

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Crazy W https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gifW!!!
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif
~ Pete

Woj 02-17-2008 12:23 PM

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This car has turned out to be truly spectacular. An incredible piece of muscle car history is about to revealed. Good job Mark!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Here is the link to the Amelia Island event:

http://www.ameliaconcours.org/events/schedule.asp

Phil Woj.

MosportGreen66 02-17-2008 01:03 PM

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Congrats on the find!
Thank you for sharing!

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif

Bruce 02-17-2008 01:30 PM

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As Mark stated in his introductory, the procurement of the historical documentation is absolutely amazing.
Your patience and tenacity is finally paying off.
Congrats Mark https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Bruce 02-17-2008 01:34 PM

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ssjeff427
Yes open to the public, car is Tuxedo black, white stripes and int.

Bergerz28 02-17-2008 03:12 PM

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If I remember correctly Joel found this car 1995 or 96 in Texas when he brought the car back to Motion in Baldwin he called me to see it and do the resto it was in great condition Black, white stripes with a white interior and had about 18 factory options he also gave me the video tape of of in texas when they found it. It was a fine looking car.

Bergerz28 02-17-2008 03:26 PM

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The Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance is open to the public at a fee at The Ritz Carlton on the water this years theme is the Trans Am series cars and Parnelli Jones will be there as well as some others breathtaking cars not many Musclecars some vettes and cobras 1963 and down, had a car there in 2007 took best in class, I will be there this year if anyone wants to meet up. 914-633-6524.

m22mike 02-17-2008 05:33 PM

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Mark
Good to see you are nearing the end to a long project that I know will give you great pleasure.
Good job and have fun with the car.
Mike https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Charley Lillard 02-17-2008 05:48 PM

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So are there any pics for us to see ???????????????

Mr70 02-17-2008 08:10 PM

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What a great find &amp; vision.
Will they televise or record this event for any of the cable channels on March 8-9?

Born30YrsLate 02-17-2008 08:37 PM

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...I'm shocked!... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

AutoInsane 02-18-2008 05:42 AM

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When will you be postng the rest of the story on the car??

PeteLeathersac 02-18-2008 06:22 AM

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Here is the link to the Amelia Island event:

http://www.ameliaconcours.org/events/schedule.asp

Phil Woj.

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I see they're honoring Derek Bell at the event too.. I was lucky to meet him once at Mosport back in the 80's when he was piloting the Rothmans sponsored Porsche works 956/962 Group-C cars...an amazing driver w/ history to prove he's got bigger balls than almost anyone!.
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif
~ Pete

Stefano 02-18-2008 06:25 AM

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Very Cool. Can't wait to see pics https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

Born30YrsLate 02-18-2008 06:29 AM

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...c'mon Mark..."put out"... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

x Baldwin Motion 02-18-2008 07:35 AM

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif damn!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gifhttps://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

sneak preview ? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...-I-Have-It.gif

SSjeff427 02-18-2008 07:55 AM

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Please, let the peasants have a little crumb from the table, pic please. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...-I-Have-It.gif

dreemz 02-18-2008 08:13 AM

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With regard to pictures I have a confidentiality agreement with Bill Warner not to show the car until the Concours but what I'll try to do tomorrow is take a couple of pics at obtuse angles so that I'm not revealing the entire car. You'll still get a good feel for the car.....

Xplantdad 02-18-2008 04:06 PM

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Well...you could always make us wait.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

KMOTION 02-19-2008 12:41 AM

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Thank you for sharing these incredible pieces of Supercar history next month. Too many of these cars are hidden away in private collections, never to be seen.

Do you have any future plans to show these cars again at other venues for those of us who can't make it to Amelia Island this year?

Again, thanks to you and all others on this Board who bring their cars out for all to enjoy. Your generosity is appreciated by many!!!! Jim

dreemz 02-19-2008 02:42 AM

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Here's a rear quarter shot. Note the NOS Cure Rides (Super-Bite suspension), one of the last sets JR had. The Torque Thrusts are the ones that were on the car when it left L.I.(15x8.5 backs 14x6 fronts); original GT mirrors. Multiple additional performance options beyond the PhaseIII SS-427 package. Car originally had a set of "Indy" red lines on it.

dreemz 02-19-2008 02:49 AM

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The original hood flew off the car at a high rate of speed on a highway outside of El Paso. This was made from the actual original mold by Joel Rosen in the early 90's

mockingbird812 02-19-2008 02:52 AM

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Scintillating!!!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

dreemz 02-19-2008 02:53 AM

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The car was ordered with nineteen RPO options including power windows and 8-track. This is the original series 500 steering wheel from MP.

JoeG 02-19-2008 03:40 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
The original hood flew off the car at a high rate of speed on a highway outside of El Paso......

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Almost lost mine..one side poped up draggin..That's why I changed my hood locks to hood pins......
Mark, -- freakin car is so https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif It just oozes Motion Performance...

dreemz 02-19-2008 03:41 AM

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I restored the car to exact original specifications based on Joel Rosens' handwritten order invoice dated Nov 11,1968 and original photos of the car. Many of the Motion Performance parts are the last from Joel Rosens' personal inventory-all are true NOS.
I would like to thank Fred Eichorst, Joe Guerra, Bruce Hershberger and Phil Wojnarowski, all of whom were highly instrumental in the completion of this car. I also suspect Mockingbird and Xplantdad really never thought the car existed- https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

Mr70 02-19-2008 03:53 AM

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Thank You. http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...heelclick2.gif

Xplantdad 02-19-2008 03:59 AM

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I also suspect Mockingbird and Xplantdad really never thought the car existed- https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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I don't think so Mark...We knew! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

If we told you how...we'd have to kill ya! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

Born30YrsLate 02-19-2008 05:17 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
I restored the car to exact original specifications based on Joel Rosens' handwritten order invoice dated Nov 11,1968 and original photos of the car. Many of the Motion Performance parts are the last from Joel Rosens' personal inventory-all are true NOS.
I would like to thank Fred Eichorst, Joe Guerra, Bruce Hershberger and Phil Wojnarowski, all of whom were highly instrumental in the completion of this car. I also suspect Mockingbird and Xplantdad really never thought the car existed- https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Does that mean I get a ride? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif
...is it me or is there someting missing in the pic showing the rear of the car?...

x Baldwin Motion 02-19-2008 06:02 AM

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...is it me or is there someting missing in the pic showing the rear of the car?...

[/ QUOTE ]


https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif no tailpipes, side exhaust.

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/320...ngclose001.jpg

JTH74 02-19-2008 06:07 AM

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Can't wait to see good pics of this car, awesome! Didnt the Green 69 B-M PhaseIII Camaro come with Ansen wheels on it instead of the rallyes that are on it now, I think I have read that somewhere before.

Chris396 02-19-2008 08:46 AM

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Oh man what an awesome looking car! Black and white is gorgeous.

JoeC 02-20-2008 12:38 AM

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Looks cool but where is the trailer hitch? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif


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