69 Trans Am Convertible at Mecum, VALUE?
 

There's a 1 of 8 69 Trans Am convertible coming up at Mecum in a couple months. What do you think this car is worth?

Thanks

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Alot !!!! the last one to sell was in the 7 digits but it was a RAIV!!!!
Jim

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There's been a lot discussion about this car on the Pontiac sites. Just a note: all the convertible 69 Trans Am's were Ram Air cars, no RAIV ragtop T/A's were built. The last convertible Trans Am sold for over $1 million, which is why this make/model appeared in Colin Comer's "Million Dollar Muscle" book. This particular Trans Am going through Mecum was appraised at over $1 million at a show last summer (which Dana Mecum also attended), but in this economy, I'm not sure it's a good time to sell. I would be surprised if it sold for more than $500K, but you never know. These cars appear so infrequently, it may bid to over $1 million.

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I would speculate it’s a million-dollar auto regardless of the state of economy due to its rarity… but only time will tell. RM

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I saw an interview where Dana said he thought it might go as high as $250K. Not sure why only $250K.....

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I'm pretty sure that the last '69 T/A convert. that sold at auction was a White interior car, I don't know the tranny. Could you imagine the value of a 1969 Trans Am convertible Ram Air IV 4-speed car if somebody would have had the foresight to order such a car? It could possibly be a SEVERAL million dollar car equal to the Hemi Cuda convertibles! But since such a machine does not exist, I would have to put C-Lil's particular car probably at the top of the list. That beautiful Blue interior and a 4-speed really set that car off! It's really stunning. How can you compare that to, for example, a black interior Automatic car?

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My guess would be around 600k the market does have an effect some what no matter what the car unless there are 2 guys that cant live with one it and its the only one available. I know of a guy looking for one and he has the dough to buy so will see if he steps up to the plate.

Although Mecum is bar none the best place to sell a rare muscle car I would think the car would bring alot more in a private sale.. Just look at Dave C's old cars that sold last year and the money that has been offered privatley for them. JMO

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From what I gather this is going to be an auction with many rare Pontiacs including this one. You never know what can happen if someone wants something bad enough. Easier to make more money than find another probably.

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I know Robert Lozins and I have seen this car and it is very very nice! This car has blue interior and was on display at the MCACN show this past fall. Robert doesn't seem to need the money, and this car is the keystone of his collection of rare Pontiacs so I'm guessing that the reserve will be so high that it will not sell. Could be just a promo ploy to attract more people to come to Dana;s spring auction.

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I grew up with Robert. The reserve might be high, but Robert is definately on a low-car diet with some significant cars he's had for many years. No promo ploy, really for sale.

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Hey Chris...I just want to make it clear that I am in no way discrediting Robert in any way....he's a very nice man and also throws one hellova shindig every memorial day!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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My guess is the car will sell at the auction. They only made 8 and are not for sale very often.

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Charlie, are you going after it? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...arleySucks.gif

If people were still buying houses someone would have to out bid me on this car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif As it stands now, the few remaining dollars I have left will go to my attorneys. :selfpity:
Maybe one of them will buy the car!

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You're right about that Randy! Downsizing the building is a bit of a priority for him. He's chosen 8 special cars very carefully, but still has many mouth watering cars that will be left in the stable! Can't wait to see the crowds go bananas for these cars that are normally unobtanium !

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This is indeed the car that was a part of the "Class of '69" display at the inaugural MCACN show. Many thanks to Mr. Lozins for showing it with us.

Robert indeed has an impressive collection of rare Pontiacs and I am happy to say, he has once again agreed to share something very special at MCACN II!

Good luck on the sale; this is indeed a rare opportunity for some lucky person.

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

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Don't know the value of the car, but it will be showing up in the next Muscle Car Review. Had a great time working with Robert, VERY impressive collection.

Arvid Svendsen

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I remember being there when he bought it.
Great car, Great guy.

JG

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69 Trans Am's are awesome. I remember when Charley first saw his after the restoration was done and it was unveiled at one of the Supercar Reunions...

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Is it a 4spd?

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My issue arrived the other day Arvid. Haven't read through it yet, but I saw a picture of a wild burnout from this car https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

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My issue arrived the other day Arvid. Haven't read through it yet, but I saw a picture of a wild burnout from this car https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

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Isn't that what our cars were made for https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif?
Honestly, I was a bit surprised myself, but a burnout pic is always a plus.

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There are three '69 Trans Am hardtops at this auction as well.
A lot of cool junk there.

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if one finds a D80 on a 69 firebird convert cowl tag, does it have to be one of these cars?

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I believe a D80 would have to be a T/A. All eight 1969 T/A convertibles are known however so, you won't find one in a barn. Ed

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This couldnt go in a PM? <img src="https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...down.gif" alt="" />

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No way

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I don't know; that lady in the middle looks pretty suspiciouos.

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Thats a MAAAAAAN Baby https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

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Well as I suspected, Robert's 1969 TA convert was a no sale at 1.1 million....kinda glad to see him keep it. He sure has a great collection of very rare Pontiacs.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 Forest Green Zee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well as I suspected, Robert's 1969 TA convert was a no sale at 1.1 million....kinda glad to see him keep it. He sure has a great collection of very rare Pontiacs. </div></div>
What was the reserve on that bad ass T/A convertible...........1.1 mil was a cool number

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What happened to my earlier posts on this thread?

They seem to have been deleted.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What happened to my earlier posts on this thread?
They seem to have been deleted. </div></div>

Nothing's amiss Steve...it's still alive if this is the posting you're referring to below?.

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthrea...3775#Post423775


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Yup, that confirms my suspicions...I forgot I had a short term memory problem...again!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 L88</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 Forest Green Zee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well as I suspected, Robert's 1969 TA convert was a no sale at 1.1 million....kinda glad to see him keep it. He sure has a great collection of very rare Pontiacs. </div></div>
What was the reserve on that bad ass T/A convertible...........1.1 mil was a cool number </div></div>

The auctioneer stated that it would take another 300k to buy the car.

Did the car sell after the auction?

Since winter has finally arrived I decided to spend some time looking through some old magazines I have. I happened to start with Hot Rod and in the April 78 issue they had a story on the Trans Am and mention that only two convertibles were built in 69.

In the August 78 issue Ted Gallas wrote in saying he had purchased a 69 Firebird convertible several years earlier with a big block Chevy engine in it that looked just like the one pictured in the article except it was a convertible. He had been told that there was no such thing as a Trans Am convertible so he thought it was just a Firebird. At the time it was stored in his buddies barn, but he supplied the VIN 223679N104810 and asked the editor if it could be one of the two 69 T/A convertibles. The editor confirmed that it was a T/A convertible. This is the #2 T/A convertible with a Parchment interior that is currently owned by D. Mecum.

In the November 78 issue there is a letter from Ken Edgerton stating he owns a 69 T/A convertible with VIN 223679N104808. He purchased the car in 73 and is the second owner. The car had 62K miles and still had the original drivetrain. At the time he was using it as daily transportation and to tow his boat on the weekends. This is the #1 T/A convertible that was restored by Level One several years ago and is part of the Brothers Collection.

Also in the November 78 issue there is a letter from Charles Adams stating he is the original owner of VIN 223679N109938 and that the car is in perfect condition and is one of his proudest possessions. This is the #7 T/A convertible that was restored by The Finer Details several years ago and is also part of the Brothers Collection.

In this issue the editor also states that there were eight T/A convertibles built in 69 with four being four-speed and four being automatics. I found this rather interesting reading so I thought I would share it with the rest of you.

All 8 are accounted for. There was a lengthy article in the January 2016 edition of POCI's "Smoke Signals" covering how the 8 were equipped.

Other trivia:

- 3 of the 8 cars were delivered to Canada.
- 4 of the 8 cars had 4-speed transmissions, 4 had automatics.
- 0 of the 8 cars had the standard 3-speed manual trans.
- 0 of the 8 cars were equipped with the optional RAIV engine.
- 0 of the 8 cars had air conditioning.
- Trans Am #7 on this list had the most options, and had the highest MSRP.
- 8 of 8 cars were ordered with optional Rally II Wheels.

Mike

Why were only 8 produced?

It's simply all that were ever ordered. The 1969 Trans Am was a failure in the marketplace, but sales would recover nicely in the 1970's. The 1969 Trans Am was a serious performance car, not just stickers and a wing, and Pontiac's target audience were enthusiasts that wanted a 1/4 miler as well as one that could corner, like a Boss 302 or Z/28, so the 1969 Trans Am in the convertible format didn't appeal to buyers.

Mike

One of those was in Massachusetts out near Boston and the other was in New Orleans. That article started the chase that lasted 40 years until the last one - Gordon's car - was "found" just north of Detroit.