Need help - 69 COPO Camaro?
 

Recently purchased a 69 Camaro and trying to figure out what we have. We think it is a COPO, maybe a double. Haven't been able to rule it out. I've been searching the web and have read ALOT of post on this forum. Hoping you guys might be able to help me out.

I'll post a pic of the cowl tag when I figure out how but here is the information:

Body by Fisher
ST69 12437 NOR352686BDY
TR 725 59 B PNT
06A X11D80
The car has been a drag car all of its life and it has not been restored.

Re: Need help - 69 COPO Camaro?
 

the one from the Orlando craigs list. I had a verbal agreement with the seller to buy it, but couldn't get him to check trans & rear end codes. The bdy # doesn't line up with other copo's, no heater box and he had no paperwork. Was raced in PA according to the seller.
Check the axle code & look for CX tag on trans. I'll pm you my ph # if you need more help with what to look for. Been wondering who snagged it

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To id where inline it falls, partial vin N664 :-)
From camaros.org - "In 69, the body number was assigned when the order was accepted, not when the body when built. Body numbers from cars that were built at the same time can vary significantly, depending on how quickly the order was fulfilled."
Sorry, NovaMob03 about the verbal. We obviously didn't know about that. We are actually friends with the guy we bought it from and were just under the impression he needed the money. We didn't know it was raced in PA, so that is new info for us. Maybe something else for us to research.
We know it is an RS, maybe an RS/SS. The orignal motor is gone but we believe it was a 427 motor. It's still in the area, but we haven't been able to locate it.
Not sure the tranny is original. Numbers are hard to read. It is still set up for racing and it still has the added straps to secure it to the car. We will probably have to pull it out to be able to clearly see it. We don't intend to take the motor out of the car for that.
We have looked for the BE on the axle tube but it's been painted and we haven't had the opportunity to sand it down yet, plus we are not sure exactly where we should be looking for that number. Would like to find that out of course.
It has the correct brake pedal. It has the correct original front disc brakes. It has the original correct 90 degree neck on the radiator. It has the casting number 5468309 master cylinder which was only on the copo and ss big block cars.
It has the correct cowl holes? on the firewall. There are no holes for emblems on the fenders. The car has obviously been modified for racing but the body is still very honest, nice original condition. There is almost no corrosion. It seems to be a real survivor car.

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No problem. It was too far away for me to inspect personally and I think he got tired of me asking him to check for this & that. He also agreed to deliver it, but since it was in pieces I'm sure it was easier for him to sell it local.
I saw the radiator, firewall punch & RS traits, but with the X-11 trim, figured it could be an SS and with flared 1/4's it was a toss up....great if copo, but too much work/$$ to resto if an SS/RS.
Hope it turns out in your favor [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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We know it was a big block car by the parts that are still on it. How would you differentiate an RS copo from an RS/SS big block? Are you saying there wouldn't be an RS copo?

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RS can be COPO, but not SS. The sgl 3/8 fuel line was missing &amp; so was the heater box from what he told me. The X-11 can be COPO and SS. Front disc brakes can be SS &amp; COPO, so (for me)it came down to having a CX tag &amp; BE stamping
I only got 4 cell phone pictures that were not very good quality. Clearly a home run if it's an RS COPO as there are less than 10 known, I think. Even more rare might be the Frost Green with Green interior COPO...1 of 1 built [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

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To be a double COPO, (COPO9561 and COPO9737) it would have had 15/16&quot; front sway bar, 140MPH speedo, and 15&quot; wheels from the factory. Of course, if it were a race car, who knows what might have been modified over the years, but the speedo might still be there.

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The 309 master cylinder was not specific to big block. All 69 Camaros, including Z/28 and SS350, received the same master cylinder. The same disc brake system your car apparently has was standard issue for all 69 Camaros when ordered with that option. With the exception of the JL8 4 wheel disc system. One small caveat is some very early cars my not have received the 309 master.

Good luck with the car and I hope another one has been found!

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My mistake. I re-read the information about the master cylinder and I misread it the first time. But didn't non big block cars have different front disc brakes than big blocks? I think the fuel line may be there, I just don't think it is connected to anything. Something for us to follow up on. The speedo is gone and of course the 15&quot; factory wheels are obviously gone. So determining the front sway bar would be imperative. How would we measure it correctly? Does anyone have a link to a picture? Sorry, if that sounds silly. I'm learning. It has been a really fun and interesting process. I think my husband may have married a car enthusiast after all. I'm pretty sure it has the 12 bolt rear end, would that automatically make it a BE? It does have the heavy duty suspension as well. I think the axle and the springs are original. There's a plate welded on the side of the frame well for the exhaust hanger on the driver rear. Is that important? We believe that it had a factory 427. It was with the car until a few years ago. They didn't gain anything financially by telling us that part of the story but it is what got us wondering if it was a copo. Unfortunately we can't prove it yet.

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To measure, the sway bar, take a 15/16&quot; open end wrench, and see if it fits. Alternatively, take a crescent wrench, and tighten it on the sway bar, then measure between the jaws.

The rear end code is on the forward side of the passenger side axle tube. Go to camaros.org for a full description. There were probably 15-20 different codes for 69 Camaro 12 bolts. The first thing I would nail down is whether or not your 12 Bolt is a BE.