[useless tony]

An Uncle of my wife's worked his entire career at a GM plant. He has always owned and driven GM ... until a few years ago.

He went to a GM dealership, interested in trading in. He wasn't happy with the $$ they offered for his present GM car and he was less than impressed with how many times he heard "oh, that doesn't come standard so it'll be $_____ extra" when pricing out a new GM replacement. Due to his dissatisfaction with the way things were going, as well as not feeling like he was being treated fairly/decently, he called an end to the discussions and walked (well, drove) away.

After taking a few days to think about his ordeal at the GM dealership, he starts to wonder how other manufacturers might treat him so he takes his car and heads to a Honda dealership. Honda offers him more money for his trade-in than GM did AND all those extra's he wanted? They came standard on Honda cars. One other thing he wanted that GM balked at ... Michelin tires. GM wasn't interested whereas the Honda salesman said "hey, if Michelin tires is what it takes for you to buy this car, consider it done".

Needless to say, the Uncle happily traded in his GM on a new Honda and, four years or five years later, he has traded that Honda in on ... yeppers, yet another Honda. He loves them.

If GM is treating people poorly AND selling sub-par product ... well ... that's not a good recipe for a long and profitable future.

As for the GM Turbo 4 ... I am hoping the failure mentioned in this thread is an isolated event as my in-laws just purchased a 2025 Equinox with that tiny engine (apparently they didn't learn anything from the Uncle about buying GM). Fingers crossed the miniscule engine holds up. I say 'miniscule' because I used to have an 1100 cc motorcycle bored out to 1260 cc way back when, this "car" engine is barely larger.