[PeteLeathersac]

Great situations of reference, both the real and supossed ones! . Again I'll say the intent to defraud would be an important one if a buyer expected sucess in litigation. . For sure it's a big grey area some don't want clarification on but the DMV definition above gives a good idea of how it would be looked at legally. . A tough point I see is the "creator" of the item in question is not necesarily the person commiting the fraud (whether he be the bodyman or orchestrator of the puzzle) if he keeps his records and facts open and discloses all at sale time. . When finished however, the person who titles or sells the item without filing the necessary DMV paperwork is who would be "looked poorly on" and always remember that old saying, ignorance of the law is no excuse! . With so many scenarios to consider, it's tough to draw a line anywhere? . A "firewall" car or any method thats true purpose is to transfer the Vin and hidden Vin is questionable....and if the car is so rusty, why is the firewall being welded into a nice body other than to transfer identity? . The biggest thing I get from this whole thread is, a genuine survivor car is worth a whole lot more than a restored car no mater how "perfect or correct" the restoration car is! ~ Pete