I really didn't mean to beat up on the new design like I did on other posts, it just really fell short of what I was expecting with the retro style of the Mustang and Challenger, Ford hit a grand slam with the mustang. I agree with what Charley said, and I think that they have a really good platform to start with, they need to make some changes and get it looking like a 69, offering the RS, Z28, RS/SS, RS/Z's, and offer some really serious power trains, like the LS-7 as a option, I really feel that if GM does not this one right and hit a grandslam as Ford has with the Mustang, if they bring a half way appealing car to market and the sales slump the time production on the Camaro stops it will be FOREVER! I have always been amazed that Ford has been able to take less powered Mustangs, and out sell the Camaro/Firebird lines. Just my two cents worth, doesn't mean much!