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-------Vic Studer,,,Thanks Rick thats the name I was trying to remember. Vic really was ahead of his time. Nobody I know in the Chicago area could come close to matching him and he was color-blind. He used to have to get his wife to come out and check weather he was using the right color. He could get the shade absolutely perfect but he sometimes got completely the wrong color and if someone didnt check he would never know until someone other than him saw it. He did a 3.5 71 Mercedes convert for us onetime in black. You guys would have just had to see the paint to believe it. I believe he could have rivaled Junior if people in the Chicago area would have been willing to pay him the premium.......Bill S