YENKO TALKED

**brent396** · #1 07-26-2010, 06:00 AM

Look at this post at stevesnovasite http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums...d.php?t=154766

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #2 07-26-2010, 06:39 AM

Nothing new, just another rehash.

sYc · #3 07-26-2010, 06:50 PM

Went from informative to personal attacks, towards Marlin, Schonye, the sYc (go figure), so got pulled.

Too bad, as Marlin was going out of his way to explain the ins and outs of the "special paint" '69 Yenko Nova, as well lend some insight into the Yenko lists, numbers, etc.

A shame these cars cannot be discussed with out some folks wanting to get personal. What they do not get, if and when, and we may be getting there, folks who have real knowledge, such as Marlin, Schonye, etc, stop posting, sharing info and insight, the hobby will suffer, and everyone who truly cares about these cars, loses.

ORIGLS6 · #4 07-26-2010, 07:08 PM

I was watching that too. I have to commend Marlin on his composure. I wouldn't have been so tolerant.

FWIW, there ARE still a few of us around who appreciate the likes of Marlin, Schonye and ALL the good folks who understand what this hobby is all about! Thank You guys. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif[/img]

Plowman · #5 07-26-2010, 07:28 PM

Marlin,good job, I get it.

x Baldwin Motion · #6 07-26-2010, 07:31 PM

A true showing of patience and the desire to share knowledge. I don't think I could have been that tolerant. I'm glad I'm on the right site.
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**mockingbird812** · #7 07-26-2010, 07:55 PM

Sorry I missed the discussion. I tried going there about an hour ago and it would not let me go to the thread.

FWIW Chris, I'd be careful about including Schonye in your characterization of "on the right side". He takes offense to such labels (even tho we all know he is not a complete lost cause and will eventually come around to the RIGHT way of thinking!) [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #8 07-26-2010, 11:07 PM

Yea, bummer it got pulled. When it comes to the vin lists, people need to understand at least one very important fact: they are just numbers that are the start of the search, not the conclusion! If you can remain objective about a vin #, and not attach any emotion, names, owners, history, story, 'x', whatever to it, then you can determine if that number meets some type of criteria which might land it on a listing. If it sounds oversimplified - its because it really can be simple.

I'll try to recapture the essence of the discussion but leave out the personal references. The topic was the '69 Yenko Nova vin listing that was on the site, the issue was essentially what justification existed for the cars on that listing.

The listing of 22 +/- '69 Yenko Nova vins was obtained years ago from one of many sources of the vins, and that source had obtained them presumeably from vince. So, you can already see that there is not a whole lot to go on here! Also, we know that not all the '37' cars were converted, but there is no concrete method to determine the conversion status with just the vin. So, we use other methods, including the info files that Warren D. makes available to owners, along with owner recollections, etc.... This is pretty much a rehash topic for most who have been in this awhile.

The issue became the Nutmeg car that BKH used to own, and the fact that it was added to the listing. Some felt that it was added for political reasons which in turn would increase its value because it would have a stigma of being a 'converted' car - which it was not.

When the car sold for an disclosed sum, folks got excited thinking that the value was pumped up because of its presence on the vin list and that there was somehow fraud involved. The flaw with that thinking was that it presumed that the buyer was somehow mislead, or was incapable of determining the value of the car. That is where the thread took a bad turn bec/ folks were weighing in on a transaction to which they were not a party to!

So, if the thread were to continue, the valid question still stands; 'how does a '69 Nova vin make the list'? Tom C. has a fairly consistent approach to his logic, he can fill in the blanks:

sYc · #9 07-27-2010, 12:03 AM

First of all, if there is a need to point fingers, blame me, not Marlin, for the special paint car being on the list.

Second, within the Super Registry, the "special paint" car is listed as a L-78 Yenko Nova, with several notations, about the special paint and other options, paperwork, ownership history, and yes..the work Warren D. did at his shop at a later date. The current owner was well aware of all of this information before he agreed to purchase it.

Third. Now to the list and other '69 Novas. If another L-78 Yenko Nova with paper came up, I would want to add it as well. Why? We know of nine 1969 Yenko sold Novas. A discussion on here indicates that at least one of the cars on the list was not converted, reliable sources say another one, maybe two, were not converted, so possibly 1/3 of known Novas were not converted. Now factor in that Vince Emme says only cars sold by other dealers within the Yenko network were converted, then maybe the list of known converted cars is even smaller. No one seems to have a problem with the 37 list (Vince’s), even though it is pretty obvious some of the cars were unconverted. But what can we do with out Vince's notes? Sort of like the 107 list for the ‘67s, we know not all were converted, but we have no idea for sure which ones, so we use the 107 list we have, with notations, which IMO is what we should be doing, and are doing, with the Novas.

Same with the ‘68s. As with the ‘67s and ’69 Novas, it is a known fact not all ‘68s were converted, so we use a master list, containing all of the ’68 VINs we have, then add notes.

I feel the sYc has done a tremendous service to our hobby in how we have handled the lists, sharing information, and most importantly, never compromising the lists, even for gain.

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