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Ok, I know I am open to all kinds of opinions both good and bad. However, it seems to me that this site has more experts than any other site. I am about to finish a rotisserie restoration on my 1970 L78 Nova SS. The car has the vin on the engine and transmission. However, I have not been able to obtain any other documentation. In my limited experience, the stampings and broach marks look legitimate. Please way in on what your belief is as I will be putting the car on eBay in a few weeks and need to get the opinions out now and not while it is on eBay. I am not a dealer but a (58) years young Warden of a Correctional Facility here in Maine and I love all types of Muscle cars.
Here is what I have done and ID info regarding my 1970 L78 Nova SS: Frame Off Restoration; Rebuilt Engine and Heads; o Bored 60 Over; o TRW Forged Pistons; o Reconditioned Rods; o Crank Turned 10 & 10; o New Hydraulic Cam and Lifters; o New Timing Set; o New Oil Pump; o New Rings and Bearings; o Flywheel Machined; o New U-Joints; o New Clutch, Pressure Plate and Throw-out bearing; o Reconditioned Holley 4557 Carburetor; o Reconditioned 1100837 Alternator; o Reconditioned 1108418 Starter; o Reconditioned 3969811 Water Pump; o New Power Brake Booster; o Heads Reconditioned by Top Machine Shop in State New Interior - Complete; New Diamondback Radial Redlines; New Brake Lines, Hoses and Booster; New Gas Tank, Sending Unit and Lines; New Front and Rear Bumpers; New Emblems - All; New Radiator, Hoses and Clamps; New Coils and Shocks; New Date Coded Plug Wires; New and Correct Maintenance Free GM Battery and Battery Cables; New Valve Covers; New Clutch, Pressure Plate and Throw Out Bearing; New Weather-strip; New Dash; Reconditioned Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner (not an original). Vin. Number Decode 114270W192535 1 Chevrolet 14 Nova 8-Cyl 27 2-Door Sport Coupe 0 1970 W Willow Run Michigan 192535 Sequential Number Body Tag Decode STYLE 70-11427 BODY WRN111198 PAINT 28 28 TRIM 733 11D A STYLE 70 1970 11427 2 Door Sport Coupe Nova 8-Cyl BODY WRN Willow Run, Mi. 111198 Sequential Body Number TRIM 733 Black Vinyl Bucket Seats PAINT 28 Fathom Blue Lower Paint 28 Fathom Blue Upper Paint 11D 11 November D 4th Week of November A Accessory Code Block Casting Number 3969854 1970 402/375hp 4-Bolt Correct Block Casting Date J30 9 Correct Time Frames J October 30 30th Day of October 9 1969 Block Stamping Numbers T1121CKO 10W192535 Correct T Tonawanda Engine Plant 11 November 21 21st Day of November Correct Time Frames CKO 402/375hp Special High Performance 4-Speed 1 Chevrolet 0 1970 W Willow Run Michigan 192535 Matching Vin Number Heads 3964291 1970 402/375 Correct Pass K3 9 Correct Time Frames K November 3 3rd Day of November 9 1969 Driv I11 9 Correct Time Frames I September 11 11th Day of September 9 1969 Crankshaft 3904815 1970 402 Nodular Iron Correct Crank Pulley 3937787 Correct Flywheel 3789733 396/427 Big Block Correct K18 9 Correct Time Frames K November 18 18th Day of November 9 1969 Carb (Reconditioned) List #: 4557 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct Part #: 3967477 GG Correct Model #: 4150 Correct 9A1 Correct Time Frames 9 1969 A November 1 1st Week of November Intake Manifold 3963569 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct 11 3 69 Correct Time Frames 11 November 3 3rd Day of November 69 1969 Exhaust Manifolds LH 3909879 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct K5 9 Correct Time Frames K November 5 5th Day of November 9 1969 RH 3916178 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct K4 9 Correct Time Frames K November 4 4th Day of November 9 1969 Water Pump (Reconditioned) 3969811 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct K6 9 K November 6 6th Day of November 9 1969 Alternator (Reconditioned) 1100837 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct 9K21 Correct Time Frames 9 1969 K November 21 21st Day of November Starter (Reconditioned) 1108418 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct 9J5 Correct Time Frames 9 1969 J September 5 5th Day of September Distributor 1112000 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct 9H20 Correct Time Frames 9 1969 H August 20 20th day of August Transmission Numbers P0S13A-0W192535 P Muncie 4-Speed Wide Ratio Passenger 0 1970 Correct Time Frames S November 13 13th Day of November A M20 Close Ratio. 2.52/1.88/1.46/1.00/3.11 0W192535 Matching Vin Number Transmission Casting Numbers Main Case: 3925661 1970 1974 Muncie Correct Extension Housing: 3857584 Correct Side cover: 3952648 Correct Rear Axle 3969341 1970 12-Bolt Rear Axle Correct CBT1103G E CBT 1970 Nova 3:55 Posi 11 November Correct Time Frames 03 3rd Day of November G Detroit Gear & Axle E Eaton Positraction Differential Bell housing 3899621 Correct Thermostat Housing 3877660 Correct Harrison Big Block Heater Core Date 69F Correct 69 1969 Correct Time Frames F June of 1969 Jack Assembly U69 1969 Correct Click here for tons of engine photos: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...gine%20Photos/ Click here for tons of restoration photos: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...%20L78%20Nova/ Thank you in advance whichever way it goes. Regards, Al Barlow Thomaston, Maine ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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427king,
Chuck, I need your email address. The site states you have met your limit on PMs. Al Barlow |
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Hi Al, The VIN stampings on the engine & trans are different, at best one or the other is not original.
Jerry |
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No red lines in 70. White stripe only. I can see in your photos that it had a SS tailpan. I can't see the holes in your before paint pics. Did you change it, or are the holes still there? I was thinking that the motor changeover happened later in the build year, somewhere around Jan. That Nov might still have 840 heads, and 163 intake etc,but I could be wrong. Most body changes took place around mid Jan.
Some will buy it without docs, some won't. Have you tried to find the original owner. Being somewhat connected to law enforcement, you may have a shot. |
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Not to be critical but why put a hydraulic cam in an L78?
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291 heads and 569 intake are correct for that time frame....I don't know of any 70 L78 Novas with the older 840 heads or 163 intake. It is true there were many changes mid-year....door hinges, throttle cable, smog plumbing, F41 sway bar, etc....our black 70 4spd engine was built 1 day after this one and it has the 291's and 569.
wilma
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Shouldn't the crank pulley be a 291?
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What information are you looking for? I thought the L-78 would have a steel not a cast crankshaft? I did not see any mention of the type of pistons used, forged or cast and what compression ratio? When you say reconditioned on some of the key parts does that mean the parts still have the original part number stampings and are they original to the car? Can you provide pictures of the core support?
Mark Sheppard |
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I did not see any mention of the type of pistons used, forged or cast and what compression ratio? [/ QUOTE ] Pics show 11 to 1 forged.... My question is this, if the pad stamp doesnt do it for certain people would the prescence of the right crank,pulley and cam make the stamp look more believable? ![]() ![]() |
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I looked at that car last year, purchased off of Long Island.? owner had a hemi RR and a LS6 Chevelle as I recall. Car needed a ton of work and price was a bit steep but it looks like you have done nice job. As someone indicated previouslyl, see if you can get an NICB report and try trace ownership that way. Engine stamp looks real, don't know on the tranny. Good luck
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