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Old 04-18-2008, 05:16 PM
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Default 1970 L78 Nova SS owner needs feedback.

Ok, I know I am open to all kinds of opinions both good and bad. However, it seems to me that this site has more experts than any other site. I am about to finish a rotisserie restoration on my 1970 L78 Nova SS. The car has the vin on the engine and transmission. However, I have not been able to obtain any other documentation. In my limited experience, the stampings and broach marks look legitimate. Please way in on what your belief is as I will be putting the car on eBay in a few weeks and need to get the opinions out now and not while it is on eBay. I am not a dealer but a (58) years young Warden of a Correctional Facility here in Maine and I love all types of Muscle cars.

Here is what I have done and ID info regarding my 1970 L78 Nova SS:
• Frame Off Restoration;
• Rebuilt Engine and Heads;
o Bored 60 Over;
o TRW Forged Pistons;
o Reconditioned Rods;
o Crank Turned 10 & 10;
o New Hydraulic Cam and Lifters;
o New Timing Set;
o New Oil Pump;
o New Rings and Bearings;
o Flywheel Machined;
o New U-Joints;
o New Clutch, Pressure Plate and Throw-out bearing;
o Reconditioned Holley 4557 Carburetor;
o Reconditioned 1100837 Alternator;
o Reconditioned 1108418 Starter;
o Reconditioned 3969811 Water Pump;
o New Power Brake Booster;
o Heads Reconditioned by Top Machine Shop in State
• New Interior - Complete;
• New Diamondback Radial Redlines;
• New Brake Lines, Hoses and Booster;
• New Gas Tank, Sending Unit and Lines;
• New Front and Rear Bumpers;
• New Emblems - All;
• New Radiator, Hoses and Clamps;
• New Coils and Shocks;
• New Date Coded Plug Wires;
• New and Correct Maintenance Free GM Battery and Battery Cables;
• New Valve Covers;
• New Clutch, Pressure Plate and Throw Out Bearing;
• New Weather-strip;
• New Dash;
• Reconditioned Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner (not an original).

Vin. Number Decode 114270W192535

1 Chevrolet
14 Nova 8-Cyl
27 2-Door Sport Coupe
0 1970
W Willow Run Michigan
192535 Sequential Number

Body Tag Decode

STYLE 70-11427
BODY WRN111198
PAINT 28 28
TRIM 733
11D A

STYLE 70 1970
11427 2 Door Sport Coupe Nova 8-Cyl
BODY WRN Willow Run, Mi.
111198 Sequential Body Number
TRIM 733 Black Vinyl Bucket Seats
PAINT 28 Fathom Blue Lower Paint
28 Fathom Blue Upper Paint
11D 11 November
D 4th Week of November
A Accessory Code

Block Casting Number 3969854 1970 402/375hp 4-Bolt Correct

Block Casting Date J30 9 Correct Time Frames
J October
30 30th Day of October
9 1969

Block Stamping Numbers T1121CKO 10W192535 Correct

T Tonawanda Engine Plant
11 November
21 21st Day of November Correct Time Frames
CKO 402/375hp Special High Performance 4-Speed

1 Chevrolet
0 1970
W Willow Run Michigan
192535 Matching Vin Number

Heads 3964291 1970 402/375 Correct

Pass K3 9 Correct Time Frames
K November
3 3rd Day of November
9 1969

Driv I11 9 Correct Time Frames
I September
11 11th Day of September
9 1969

Crankshaft 3904815 1970 402 Nodular Iron Correct

Crank Pulley 3937787 Correct

Flywheel 3789733 396/427 Big Block Correct
K18 9 Correct Time Frames
K November
18 18th Day of November
9 1969

Carb (Reconditioned) List #: 4557 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct
Part #: 3967477 GG Correct
Model #: 4150 Correct
9A1 Correct Time Frames
9 1969
A November
1 1st Week of November


Intake Manifold 3963569 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct
11 3 69 Correct Time Frames
11 November
3 3rd Day of November
69 1969

Exhaust Manifolds LH 3909879 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct
K5 9 Correct Time Frames
K November
5 5th Day of November
9 1969

RH 3916178 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct
K4 9 Correct Time Frames
K November
4 4th Day of November
9 1969

Water Pump (Reconditioned) 3969811 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct
K6 9
K November
6 6th Day of November
9 1969

Alternator (Reconditioned) 1100837 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct
9K21 Correct Time Frames
9 1969
K November
21 21st Day of November


Starter (Reconditioned) 1108418 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct
9J5 Correct Time Frames
9 1969
J September
5 5th Day of September

Distributor 1112000 1970 402/375hp Nova Correct
9H20 Correct Time Frames
9 1969
H August
20 20th day of August

Transmission Numbers P0S13A-0W192535

P Muncie 4-Speed Wide Ratio Passenger
0 1970 Correct Time Frames
S November
13 13th Day of November
A M20 Close Ratio. 2.52/1.88/1.46/1.00/3.11

0W192535 Matching Vin Number

Transmission Casting Numbers
Main Case: 3925661 1970 – 1974 Muncie Correct
Extension Housing: 3857584 Correct
Side cover: 3952648 Correct

Rear Axle 3969341 1970 12-Bolt Rear Axle Correct

CBT1103G
E

CBT 1970 Nova 3:55 Posi
11 November Correct Time Frames
03 3rd Day of November
G Detroit Gear & Axle
E Eaton Positraction Differential

Bell housing 3899621 Correct

Thermostat Housing 3877660 Correct

Harrison Big Block Heater Core Date 69F Correct

69 1969 Correct Time Frames
F June of 1969

Jack Assembly U69 1969 Correct

Click here for tons of engine photos:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...gine%20Photos/

Click here for tons of restoration photos:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...%20L78%20Nova/

Thank you in advance whichever way it goes.

Regards,
Al Barlow
Thomaston, Maine












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Old 04-18-2008, 05:59 PM
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Default Re: 1970 L78 Nova SS owner needs feedback.

427king,

Chuck, I need your email address. The site states you have met your limit on PMs.

Al Barlow
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Old 04-18-2008, 06:14 PM
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Default Re: 1970 L78 Nova SS owner needs feedback.

Hi Al, The VIN stampings on the engine & trans are different, at best one or the other is not original.
Jerry
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Old 04-18-2008, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: 1970 L78 Nova SS owner needs feedback.

No red lines in 70. White stripe only. I can see in your photos that it had a SS tailpan. I can't see the holes in your before paint pics. Did you change it, or are the holes still there? I was thinking that the motor changeover happened later in the build year, somewhere around Jan. That Nov might still have 840 heads, and 163 intake etc,but I could be wrong. Most body changes took place around mid Jan.
Some will buy it without docs, some won't. Have you tried to find the original owner. Being somewhat connected to law enforcement, you may have a shot.
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Default Re: 1970 L78 Nova SS owner needs feedback.

Not to be critical but why put a hydraulic cam in an L78?
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Default Re: 1970 L78 Nova SS owner needs feedback.

291 heads and 569 intake are correct for that time frame....I don't know of any 70 L78 Novas with the older 840 heads or 163 intake. It is true there were many changes mid-year....door hinges, throttle cable, smog plumbing, F41 sway bar, etc....our black 70 4spd engine was built 1 day after this one and it has the 291's and 569.

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Old 04-18-2008, 08:39 PM
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Shouldn't the crank pulley be a 291?
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Old 04-18-2008, 10:49 PM
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Default Re: 1970 L78 Nova SS owner needs feedback.

What information are you looking for? I thought the L-78 would have a steel not a cast crankshaft? I did not see any mention of the type of pistons used, forged or cast and what compression ratio? When you say reconditioned on some of the key parts does that mean the parts still have the original part number stampings and are they original to the car? Can you provide pictures of the core support?
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Old 04-18-2008, 11:52 PM
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I did not see any mention of the type of pistons used, forged or cast and what compression ratio?

[/ QUOTE ] Pics show 11 to 1 forged.... My question is this, if the pad stamp doesnt do it for certain people would the prescence of the right crank,pulley and cam make the stamp look more believable?
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Old 04-19-2008, 01:18 AM
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Default Re: 1970 L78 Nova SS owner needs feedback.

I looked at that car last year, purchased off of Long Island.? owner had a hemi RR and a LS6 Chevelle as I recall. Car needed a ton of work and price was a bit steep but it looks like you have done nice job. As someone indicated previouslyl, see if you can get an NICB report and try trace ownership that way. Engine stamp looks real, don't know on the tranny. Good luck
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