New here , & Need 69 camaro Z28 info Please.

[hugger1]

I would appriciate some info.
I have a 69 camaro and i need some verification if possible....
I know the X33 & X77 are Z28s but i came across 2 articles showing a X-11 representing a Z28 also and with documentation.
Now i dont know what to believe for sure.

The car i have is a FACTORY Lemans Blue, 4 speed, 12 Bolt Posi with multi leaf rear springs, Front disc Brakes, also a Factory equipt Rear sway bar.

I have the heavy front sway bar and i was told that Z28s had special Frame mounts for the engine ( I have a set on this car different from others i have built )
These are FACTORY Frame mounts and are 2 1/4 inches wide , compared to the standard ones which are wider, 2 5/8 or 2 78 , i cant remember.....

ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRICIATED ....
THANKS , JC


[Edited by hugger1 (02-14-2002 at 05:22 PM).]

[x44d80]

This would be a good question for the camaro.net website. x11 means base car with the special trim, no z28.

[William]

X trim tag codes entered production at the Norwood plant late Dec '68. They were not used at the Van Nuys, CA plant. X11 is never a Z/28.

Z/28s used the standard 11/16" front sway bar. There was no optional rear bar for '69. There was a retrofit rear bar for '67; they are extremely rare and were never installed in production.

For '69 Chevrolet used the new interlock motor mount on Camaros with the 302 and 350 engines. This mount requires a different frame bracket that is 2-1/4" wide. The non-interlock mount bracket is 2-1/2" wide and about 3/8" taller.

Power front discs, 12 bolt axle and 4-speed trans were optional or included with other engines, not unique to the Z/28.

[hugger1]

THANKS for helping , ...
I am looking at a artical insuper chevy (special Camaro edition ) from 87.
This issue contains Floyd Garrets Red ZL1 ( i have a call in to Floyd already ) , and BOB Porters cars ( Bob Porter Chevrolet.)
Anyways , They show one of his cars and the trim tag and list it as a 69 COPO 9561 427 , Norwood built and it is a X-11 CAR and then states this can also mean a Z28 sport coupe with the Style trim group........

I know you cant believe everything you read but you would think they would have their facts right.....

How to Verify a COPO ?
Not that i think it is......


Thanks again , I LOVE THIS SITE.

[hugger1]

This is also a NON console 4 speed car if this has any meaning.

[Edited by hugger1 (02-14-2002 at 06:13 PM).]

[William]

Many of the magazines that have "Chevy" in the title routinely publish incorrect info. This has been going on so long just about nobody takes them seriously.

In general a COPO can not be identified by VIN or body tag data. Exceptions are ZL1s and Yenko Camaros; all VINs are known for these. (well, PA Yenko Camaros...)

A few guidelines: none are known to have been built in CA ("L" VIN), no L72 cars built prior to 01B. So you can rule out CA built cars and any Norwood car built prior to 01B.

For the rest the only way to be certain is factory paperwork. Being that is way too easy to create a very convincing fake I wouldn't consider a non-Yenko COPO without it.

X11 means it has style trim. X44 means it does not. They are unrelated to what's under the hood.

[x44d80]

The obvious things a COPO car has is a big-block x-member,heater box,motor stands,curved necked radiator,zl-2 hood with appropriate wiring,3/8 fuel line,welded plate on rear frame rails for dual exhaust, five leaf rear springs. Even with all these things without documentation the car is considered a clone. Take my word on this.Kurt S may have more info from your trim tag and vin if provided.

[hugger1]

Here is the Vin # .
124379N568587.

Here is the trim tag:

ST 69 12437 NOR 215230.
711 71 / 71.
12C X-11

I know the basics on the trm tag .Norwood car , Standard Black int.and Lemans Blue paint .

an more info would be appriciated as well..

How do i determin a ss car.

I bought this car with NO eng/trans. 5 miles from my hoe , stored inside .
AMAZINGLY for $ 750.00

it came with a NOS Gm cowl hood , Nos GM core support ,a Nos pair of rocker moldings, 2 aftermarket rear 1/4 skins and I believe a aftermarket tail light panel.

I have the bare shell on a dolly in the garage and after i added the new panels , along with Rockers , wheel houses and trunk drop offs , i stripped it to bare metal and have it in DP-50 Epoxy.
As well as all other panels stripped and DP-50 coated.

I stripped the Sub frame last night and have it going to blasted this week.

THANKS FOR THE HELP.