Bashing etc.

[LVCamaro]

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I remember the auction with a similar description and seemingly flakey identification of the rear...

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Is that necessary, Dan? You're obviously not an interested buyer...so what could possibly be your point? Comments like that only cause other members to be reluctant to advertise their car for sale here, or even allow their car be featured in the members ride section. Andy is a standup guy and is way too smart to even dream about blowin' smoke up anyone's skirt about a 69 Camaro on this forum site.

It's a beautiful car, from my perspective, and Andy has offered a detailed description and asked interested folks to contact him directly if they prefer additional info/pics. Good luck with the sale, Andy, and I hope it finds a caring home...that car deserves to be shown for all to enjoy.

SS

[MosportGreen66]

Your right Steve I am not an interested buyer now that it is has been disclosed that the rear is not original. People pose questions and comments all day long, hence a forum, what gives (why me)? If you read what I said carefully you have noted that I was referencing the past auction’s description NOT the current description on the site. But odly enough Steve, a *similar* like statement was fashioned to avoid the truth behind the rear differential in this Camaro.

I was not attacking Quick-Bowtie or his car. I was making a comment. I do not know him, I do not you, matter of fact, I have only met 1 your gentleman who participates on this forum. If you want to police member's comments on the website, be my guest. But just like my comment might deter an interested seller from posting his car on this site, your comment makes me think twice about posting here too. I do not think your response was justified with what I said.

Like I said before, good luck with the sale

[Belair62]

This is a really tough area that we have to deal with and I'm not referencing any particular post or car...cars are always going to get questions and rightfully so...but we need to avoid shooting the living [censored] out of every car that comes across the boards...people get tired of seeing it sometimes...not every car demands scrutiny...on one hand it's a great way for people to learn what's right and whats wrong with a car and even identify fraud...on the other hand it seems like we go a little too far at times...a POS to some of us..is actually a decent place to start for other folks...so you see it's really a tough call on how far comments should go...we have kicked around making a forum for just E Bay crap and another one for Cars/Parts For Sale and just not allow replies or questions to them...but maybe thats not the right thing either...I think we should all just try and self police this thing and try not to nit pick everything...good inforamation is critical to a site like this...but "piling on" just gets old..it's good entertainment sometimes as long as we know where to draw the line. Seems like we need to re visit this issue every now and then...so consider it revisited

[Xplantdad]

Wow Bob...didn't know you had it in ya! Very well said!

There's always the PM route that is available.

[Mr. T]

Like I always say, "constructive criticism goes a long way". On the other hand, if a member(s) bash every little detail on someone's car, then that is where trouble starts happening. This is one reason why I am a little reluctant to send Bob pictures and history on any of my 69's. I have been in this hobby for almost 25 years, and I don't need someone putting my cars under a microscope and telling me what is wrong with it, and I should do this, or I should do that.
Picking apart a car to death, no matter how rare or what make and model it is really destroys this great hobby. Like Bob said, what one member might think is a treasure, another member might think it is a POS. Sometimes it is just best to keep our opinions to ourselves.

[Belair62]

T...Send me pics of your POS ....actually I patrol the Member Rides thing...people are generally positive and appreciative there...now if I put one of my cars up you goofs would kill me I'm sure...when cars come up for sale is where we really need to take a Valium sometimes. But if there is a Caution Fan sticker where it shouldn't be you are still fair game

[Jeff H]

The great part about a public forum is when you can ask questions about a particular item and find out if anyone knows more about it other than the current seller. In today's musclecar market with lots of dealers involved who usually don't know the fine details on the cars, it's almost mandatory to ask questions. A lot of questions should probably be kept to private messages or emails but it's great to find out the history of a given vehicle. As for bashing a car, I don't think it's bashing when people point out items that are incorrect or possibly misrepresented. An ad in a public forum or public listing such as Ebay is open to the questioning. That's how we each determine what we're willing to pay for a given vehicle. This car was on Ebay at one time and I believe it was represented as an original JL8 car without documentation. I've talked to Richard at Coast to Coast before so I knew it wasn't an original JL8 car. But this car is a well done restoration using GM parts and it looks great!

[Belair62]

Totally agree...we just need know when the line is crossed between information and bashing...

[JoeG]

I glad to see the medication is working Bob--

[quick-bowtie]

Just wanted to type in quick note..I didnt take Dan's comment the wrong way..So no harm done, I do know what its like to get your car bashed and it isn't fun that why I and a few friends no longer go on the Corvette website and thats why I kinda keep to myself..I guess it all boils down to personality some guys speak out and some just keep it to themselves I would never want to pull the wool over someones eyes and I always try to rep my cars correctly, if you dont like thats fine and if you do thats fine too.. I personally like that SYC keeps a log of car discussed because it has saved me a couple times from buying a made/junk car. As for this Z it is a REAL Z and numbers matching, TONS of NOS GM parts and an excellent resto..Its not 100% dead on perfect but its pretty close. If it were a documented JL8 with Papers backing up a crossram Id want alot more money for it, with normal Z's bringing in the mid 40's for decent resto's and RS Z's bring in the mid 50's. I figured a HIGH POINT Z with very expensive dated parts is well worth the money to the right guy. Thanks Andy

P.S. Cant we all just get along..lol