Camaro History On Display Tomorrow Evening

[C1SS396]

I like it as raced <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For real...Ownership cost including the restoration cost and a boatload of NOS parts is currently at $250K.

Example: Current owner located the guy who made the car into the bushmaster. The original engine and the front sheet metal are in the guy's barn. Grille is broken but the rest is otherwise complete. Owner of the car had to buy the entire contents of the barn from the now very old race car guy just to get the front sheet metal...guy who had it was crazy and would not separate anything so he had to buy it all.

This was the Bushmaster race car. </div></div>

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C1SS396</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like it as raced. </div></div> [/quote]

Would have been far cheaper to restore as a nostalgia race car for sure! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

[L72copocamaro]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L72copocamaro</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hopefully this doesn't offend anyone. I'm sure it will, but turrets won't let me stop....is it possible that with no hidden vins that it could be rebodied and only the trunk floor reused as evidence of it's history? That might explain the trunklid. </div></div>

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif[/img] it will only offend you when I have to waste more time posting pictures of the quarters being patched in. </div></div>

Post away. They can't be any worse in comparison to the trunk lid photos.

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L72copocamaro</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L72copocamaro</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hopefully this doesn't offend anyone. I'm sure it will, but turrets won't let me stop....is it possible that with no hidden vins that it could be rebodied and only the trunk floor reused as evidence of it's history? That might explain the trunklid. </div></div>

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif[/img] it will only offend you when I have to waste more time posting pictures of the quarters being patched in. </div></div>

Post away. They can't be any worse in comparison to the trunk lid photos. </div></div>

Quarters were rebuilt and patched in. Trunk lid was restored using the original skin.

You know perhaps you can explain something to me... Being serious and not sarcastic:

With all the criticism and banter that goes on pertaining to a so called rebody restoration....when somebody actually goes all out to do the restoration in a way that saves literally everything that can be saved as accomplished with pilot #1 seemingly this is exactly what the hobby would applaud and support right??

Yet You seem critical...tell me why--I am curious as to the rationale.

[Kurt S]

I am the person the prior owner of the car first contacted when he realized he had #1. I don't question the car - it's real. I'd suggest posting some in-process pics of the original fenders and quarters to allay the naysayers.
I highly suspect this car got a much better resto than the #1 and #2 Firebirds got.

Tag - no, you never mentioned it was a new computer system. It's original, but strange.
Decklid - that's actually the 2nd version of the lid. The first version has no access holes (what were they thinking?) and is only on very early cars. Looks like the original was cut as black69 noted, but there wasn't much to go on.
Sheetmetal - not surprising they were tagged and not stamped. Bet some were stamped (because they are part of the die design), but many stamps are hidden and hard to find.
Block should be stamped.

Posts like Tom's aren't helpful to the conversation, IMO.

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am the person the prior owner of the car first contacted when he realized he had #1. I don't question the car - it's real. I'd suggest posting some in-process pics of the original fenders and quarters to allay the naysayers.
I highly suspect this car got a much better resto than the #1 and #2 Firebirds got.

Tag - no, you never mentioned it was a new computer system. It's original, but strange.
Decklid - that's actually the 2nd version of the lid. The first version has no access holes (what were they thinking?) and is only on very early cars. Looks like the original was cut as black69 noted, but there wasn't much to go on.
Sheetmetal - not surprising they were tagged and not stamped. Bet some were stamped (because they are part of the die design), but many stamps are hidden and hard to find.
Block should be stamped.

Posts like Tom's aren't helpful to the conversation, IMO. </div></div>

Looks like the thread has been educational to a degree then...also nice to see that we seem to agree that the #1 car has been found and has had a proper restoration. Excellent.

[iluv69s]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am the person the prior owner of the car first contacted when he realized he had #1. I don't question the car - it's real.
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enough said..thanks Kurt

[iluv69s]

So,I am here at my office discussing this car and thread with my Dad and he mentioned a very interesting memory from back then. The story goes like this.

My Pop and our family was visiting with my Godfather (must have been in 1966). I was born 1962. Then my godfather, who was some kind of a manager type at GM, told my Dad about the all new car Chevy was coming out with for the 67 model year. Then he came out of his bedroom and showed my Dad an IBM type printout (with the holes on both side). He said it was Chevrolet's list of 'possible names for thier new car soon to be released&quot;. My Dad remembers very clearly this conversation because he says that my Godfather was very in favor of the name &quot;carrera&quot; which was on the list.. (not sure on the spelling). This is because my Godfather's last name was Carriero.

Last we heard from my Godfather was about 1985? when he gave a reference for my younger 18 yr old brother to get a job at the Fisher plant in Trenton. NJ..At the time my godfather was plant manager at a GM plant in Buffalo NY.. (not sure which). And beleive it or not, lil bro is going to retire from GM this September...4 GM plants and 30 years later !!


I'd sure like to see that list now !! I am going to try and see if he is still around.. maybe there are some more memories that he could share.

BTW....Awesome car !!! Thanks for saving and sharing history !!!!!

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

With all the criticism and banter that goes on pertaining to a so called rebody restoration....when somebody actually goes all out to do the restoration in a way that saves literally everything that can be saved as accomplished with pilot #1 seemingly this is exactly what the hobby would applaud and support right??

Yet You seem critical...tell me why--I am curious as to the rationale. </div></div>

Because the Internet makes it easy to nit-pick and criticize. It empowers otherwise invisible people (yes, me too) to become visible by sounding educated and informed on a given subject, often while actually being not at all educated and informed on a given subject. People complain that the world has too many lawyers. Well, it seems many of those 'lawyers' exist on car forums for the sole purpose of making themselves visible through endless nit-picking and critique.

If one of the &quot;big gorillas&quot; owned this car--and explained it as it has been explained here--the glowing praise and adulation would be nauseating.

[Mark_C]

I don't think anyone is outright critisizing to car, or the restoration directly, its just an attempt to find out how it was originally made, how much of it was original when the previous, or current owner got it and where it is now. It's only when people step in and either try and deflect the question, or feel the need to stick up for someone else that things start to turn awkward. Lets just stick to asking and answering questions to the best of our ability and eventually everyone will learn something. If we start bickering over that that and the other thing the opportunity to learn something about this car, and the other pilots will be lost.

This car is unique, and beyond being a hand built pre production car it has several oddities about it. I don't think anyone is questioning the realness of the car, we just want to know how it got to where it is today, either now, or back in 1967.

For example the car has an 09B dated cowl tag (ok its been explained it was pulled from a body scheduled for september build), other very low VIN cars have way earlier tags including at least 1 that has an 05B dated tag which line up with the actual dates the pilots were assembled.

This car has a later version trunk lid on it now as the very early cars don't have the holes for the emblems, and it looks like the original substructure in the original pictures may have been hole sawed (later?) to add the deck lid emblems. Because this car was originally wired for 110V power, maybe it had to be returned to Norwood in September(?) to get that wiring removed, maybe it got a new trunklid at that time with the emblem holes at that time. Who knows.

You can't exactly go looking for NOS parts for a pre production car, maybe they are the same, maybe they are not, so saving as much as possible from whatever he had should be admired. Some people don't like seeing welds in the trunk or floor, well when they buy it they can replace the floor pan, it doesn't bother me that much, but then I wouldn't have had the cash to do it anyways.

In the words of the late Rodney King &quot;Can't we all just get along&quot; at least for a while. Ask your questions, give an answer if you know it and we'll all learn something.