Barrett Jackson Las Vegas - Page 20

**Xplantdad** · #**191** 10-24-2008, 05:19 AM

I beg to differ...BJ doesn't have to take it on the chin...

If there is something wrong with the car...BJ does an unwind...the car gets returned to the seller (or not...depending on what law enforcement does)...then the seller pays both the selling commision...the buying commision and any outstanding fees to BJ as well.

Buyer gets his money back...BJ gets their fees...and the seller deals with the mess that he started...

I think that it would be in the best interest of everyone to make it happen as soon as possible.

**rubbinisracing** · #**192** 10-24-2008, 05:36 AM

Lets see...

Buyer has the car. BJ has the money. Seller is empty handed.

Its easy... buyer gets made whole and learns a valuable lesson. One some of us have paid dearly for. BJ takes the car back and calls the authorities who impound the car for 18-24 months. Seller won't file suit seeking return of the car due to involvement in the fraudulent build and misrepresentation of the car. He ends up with nothing till the authorities decide what to do with the car, although he may be charged with a few felonies.

**704EVER** · #**193** 10-24-2008, 05:43 AM

Point taken, but has BJ ever done an unwind? Especially in a high profile case like this? I have no doubt they have the lawyers in place to do it, but has it ever happened? And what about the seller, Gary has "Officially retracted" his statement, so where does that place the seller in litigation wanting his due from BJ? I don't think law enforcement even comes into play now. He presented it, BJ promoted it, someone bought it, who pays? The way I see it is, after Gary retracted, it becomes a viable deal, someone bought the car and someone has to pay for it. I can't see the seller taking the car back and even remotely thinking about paying BJ 18% with Gary retracting, so where does it go from here? I know it's a mess and not right, but I also think that someone's coughing up the money to make it go away. Who has the most to lose here? My guess is BJ, that's all.

fastessfreddy · #**194** 10-24-2008, 05:57 AM

What ever happened to the gentleman that checked this car out? Jerry macniesh? It seems that he was fooled and is in the center of this.

Now the question is this:

1.) How many cars did he certify over the years? We need to go over and re evaluate all of them!

**chevelleheart** · #**195** 10-24-2008, 05:59 AM

Boy has this thread taken on a life of it's own !! Does anyone know who the builder of the Rally Green Camaro is ? I believe I saw him that day coming over to Ron to shake his hand. He's also up on stage during the selling of the car,...kinda a big guy , +/- 5-10 ,+/- 220 lbs ,in a black/white bowling shirt, blondish hair,.... It might be good to know which shop the car came from, just so any potential future buyer's have a bit of a heads up on what kind of work they do ??? Kinda like the Oregon Guy.......

**704EVER** · #**196** 10-24-2008, 05:59 AM

I don't see law enforcement taking that car, there are too many grey areas here. The state Prosecutor isn't going to waste time on this, after all, it was certified by an "EXPERT" for the seller, accepted by BJ, and sold, end of story on that front. Once Gary went away, now the car becomes a real/viable commodity that has to be dealt with in a business like fashion. So who's paying the freight here on this deal? My money says the new owner got a gift from BJ.

RamAirDave · #**197** 10-24-2008, 06:04 AM

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And what about the seller, Gary has "Officially retracted" his statement, so where does that place the seller in litigation wanting his due from BJ? I don't think law enforcement even comes into play now. He presented it, BJ promoted it, someone bought it, who pays? The way I see it is, after Gary retracted, it becomes a viable deal, someone bought the car and someone has to pay for it

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The bell can't be un-rung. His retraction may have been due to his realization that he admitted to committing a felony. It doesn't change the story. Heck, his pics are still up of all the paper/tags.

Les Quam · #**198** 10-24-2008, 06:13 AM

Law enforcement in the form of the NICB has opened an investigation on the car.

If the seller is whats known as "a seller in good faith" in legal terms then he will have no criminal issues but only civil issues in trying to recover his purchase price from whomever he purchased the car. If the seller is also the restorer and the buyer for the cars current indentity purchased on ebay he has a lot more than monetary issues to concern himself with.

Gary's internet retraction is irrelevant. It appears if the information is true that the car in question is currently displaying identity tags and a part of the cowl with a hidden VIN from another car. Someone had to have welded and affixed the identity tags to the current car. The NICB will determine who that is and turn the results of their investigation over to the US Attorney's office for prosecution.

This is one car that will not surface years later at another auction if its true that its identity was transferred from another car.

Novadiecast · #**199** 10-24-2008, 06:16 AM

If the authorities are involved they can find "Mr. Gary". A retraction on this or any forum has no merit now.

Les Quam · #**200** 10-24-2008, 06:25 AM

There are no grey area's here this car appears to have the identity of another car. The person who sold those documents and hidden cowl VIN is still displaying them on his websight. The US attorney's office will prosecute the case if the investigation confirms that these allegations are true not a state prosecutor since the car traveled over state lines. As a former prosecutor I can tell you this case is simple and a rookie could try this case.

The experts opinion would only shield a "seller in good faith" not the person who restored the car or a dealer who sold the car knowing it had its identity switched.

Even the worlds best expert cannot determine if a car has been altered in this fashion. Vehicle identity alterations to this level with this kind of documentation defy experts discovery.

I have never met or spoke too or retained Jerry Macneish but I have read his books and know him by reputation and his reputation is that he is one of the worlds foremost experts on Camaro's. He is not to blame in any fashion for another persons criminal acts of fraud. He like the buyer this weekend is a victim of the fraud. If fraud is established.

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