E-Bay '69 Yenko Disguised As a Z-28 Clone!

[RamAirDave]

It would appear that I did not remember correctly [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

[m22mike]

It gets worse with age too... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]...now where did I put that &amp;^%$...

[L78steve]

Nova and Camaro are all rivited from the bottom that I have seen.

[black69]

Hey Bergy, I feel better again about my post I made relative to your car. I think you have a shot if that VIN tag has been with most of the shell, I would think otherwise if it was truely removed and reattached at one time, and you have no remaining hidden vins that match.

I would think the state may grant you the right to keep that VIN, and at that point, you should remove the wrong old firewall pieces and replace with non stamped material. Keep the state paperwork always with the car that authorizes the VIN, and life is good.

[COPO140]

Hey Bergy,
Your research sounds encouraging and I certainly wish you the best of luck. I do have a question though. Have you offered this car for sale recently to anyone? If so, why do you want to sell it midstream of your research?

[bergy]

the car is absolutely not for sale Tom. I have had a lot of interest, but anyone who asked has been told that it is not for sale - period. Like you said, there is a lot of research left to do. Thanks for helping me clear that up.

[rpoz11]

Bergy, good day to you Sir.

After 18 pages of...discussion,

You need to decide for yourself exactly what you have here in your posession.

Some of us have 1 Camaro, some of us have several.

I personally have 2 69's in my posession.
<span style="font-weight: bold">BOTH</span> ... I can prove, have VIN's that are present on the Cowl Panel and the Firewall matching my dash VIN tag.

Bergy,
After 18 pages of...discussion here,
If you do NOT have the VIN stamped on the Cowl and Firewal &quot;Heater Core&quot; area matching the VIN tag on the dash,
Then you have a Camaro that is in question, and by many views, is not a complete car.

I agree with the person who stated that the VIN stamped on the Cowl &amp; Firewall Heater Box area as the true identity of any 1969 Camaro, with regards, in question here.

I think you need to stop,
with consideration that you are NOW the current owner of this Camaro in question,
put an end to everyone's speculation &amp; quite frankly : your own,
and take the front sheetmetal off of the car and start documenting EXACTLY what you have in your posession!

Your paper trail helps determine the path of the car's past.
Your paper trail provides evidence of the VIN statements.

You need to decide which car is truly in your posession:
The VIN riveted into the dash panel....or
The VIN stamped on the cowl panel.

If your Cowl Panel VIN stamping is NOT matching the Firewall Heater Box VIN stamping ( including the Dash Panel VIN ),

Then you have a very serious decision to make with what you have.

Please,
after 18 pages.... of discussion:
Take the sheetmetal off of the front of this car and document what is currently present and move forward with your decision on this car in question.

Note:
Good Luck to you !
I wish you the best of luck on your decision.
No one in this Hobby wants to go thru what you are about to do.

[al8apex]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rpoz11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bergy, good day to you Sir.

After 18 pages of...discussion,

blah blah blah. </div></div>

now at 37 pages ...

IF you had read this discussion you might have picked up that he is now in Florida and the car is in storage in Pennsylvania AND that he said that AFTER he got back (assuming spring, as a lot of people go to FL for the winter, just as many do here in AZ) he would be taking the car apart ...

unnecessary needling about what he should do &amp; shouldn't do with what he owns is not appropriate IMHO ...

he has addressed everything straight up and is not trying to hide anything, input from the peanut gallery is uncalled for <span style="font-weight: bold">IMHO</span>

(I guess nearly as unnecessary as my response is on the issue, as I am about as far removed from everything as anyone can be ...)

[jannes_z-28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al8apex</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rpoz11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bergy, good day to you Sir.

After 18 pages of...discussion,

blah blah blah. </div></div>

now at 37 pages ...

IF you had read this discussion you might have picked up that he is now in Florida and the car is in storage in Pennsylvania AND that he said that AFTER he got back (assuming spring, as a lot of people go to FL for the winter, just as many do here in AZ) he would be taking the car apart ...

unnecessary needling about what he should do &amp; shouldn't do with what he owns is not appropriate IMHO ...

he has addressed everything straight up and is not trying to hide anything, input from the peanut gallery is uncalled for <span style="font-weight: bold">IMHO</span>

(I guess nearly as unnecessary as my response is on the issue, as I am about as far removed from everything as anyone can be ...) </div></div>

X2

Jan

[Tracker1]

&quot;A car’s legal VIN number is what is stamped in the metal, not the VIN plate, thus you have a legit ’69 Camaro Z-clone without a title..

The stampings carry all of the weight with law enforcement, and were stamped for a very good reason, because VIN plates can be easily removed. &quot;

Talk to ten different vehicle theft cops on ten different police forces and 5 will agree with this statement and five will not, they will prefer the dash tag - go ahead, try it. There is no wholesale consensus among car cops about this, that's a myth.


&quot;Next you have a VIN plate with a title that belongs to another car, not the clone Z. At any point in time, if someone comes up with the original body with VIN stampings, they can claim the VIN tag and title because legally they own the car that the VIN tag belongs to.&quot;

If the dash VIN tag can be proven to have never left this car, the above is an invalid point.

If I were trying to establish a chain of ownership of 21 people with sworn statements from each saying &quot;I never removed that dash tag from that car&quot; from all 21 then I would leave the sheetmetal alone until that was done. Then a law enforcement officer could accompany me to my garage and look over my shoulder as I pulled the heater box from a complete car. If a cop walked into a garage with a Camaro spread out all over the floor I would think it would taint his viewpoint as to whether the car had been tampered with versus seeing a whole bolted-together car. Regardless of sworn statements. That seems to me to be basic psychology.

Bergy is playing it right in my opinion. I know others will not agree.