1970 gto judge ram air IV

[mrmuscle]

that is a cool link and article. dont get me wrong, i am not trying to knock wangers off of his pedestal, i am merely stating a true fact that he never talks about any of the competition. i have heard him speak and he speaks like there was never anyone around that could touch anything he did or was associated with. i also have heard him state that you wouldnt believe what all went on behind closed doors, but it always involved him only. there is too much documeted proof that knafel had alot of dealings with engineering and tested their items. records document the fact that royals team couldnt hold a candle to knafels.

[Charley Lillard]

"go to knafels website that steved posted and look at the magnum 4oo detail sheet and it even says that they will put a ra v in one for you. there was also a picture of a ra 5 engine on a stand in their dealership in the goatfinder a while back."...Mr Muscle..Don't you think that maybe it would be easier for Engineering and less risk to just send a Crate RAV to Knafel and let them install it ? It sounds like they were very good at it.

[mrmuscle]

that very well could be. i dont have the answer and i am not going to say i guarantee anything like so many have. (other than never say never). pontiac never felt in necessary to consult with me on anything. (hard to believe i know lol). i am basing my belief of the cars being real on the fact that mr knafel stated this back around 1998 and this was before the cars had surfaced. he had even detailed what the purpose of both cars was. the silver car surfaced a year later and then nobody knew anything about the white/blue car until sixtiesmuscle posted that his had the same items on the phs sheet as the silver car and all of a sudden it was living proof of what mr knafel had said. i do know that if these had been cars from royal, jim wangers would have been campaigning from coast to coast that they were the real deal even without any engineering logs.

no matter if proof is ever made on these, this discussion has at least brought a lot of truth and history into the public eye that might not have ever happened.

[hvychev]

I am starting to think that this thread is all about how high the post count can get. It started out cool but I think that we get the point by now.

[mrmuscle]

why complain, just go and read another discussion. if enough publicity is shed on this someone with the power will provide the documentation or will vouch for mr knafel on his ability to get what he wanted out of engineering. what if we had quit this on page 3 or 4? the fact of the white/blue car of sixtiesmuscle would have never surfaced and then we would not have had the information from steved brought to light and the other posts like mr greens. (which i would like to her more about your research please ) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]