69 Z-28 CrossRam on Ebay

[dante]

just a follow up.....jim is making a bold move, not to mention a HUGE investment to start reproducing these parts.....i for one applaud the move and hope he does well....hopefully this will start to bring the value of some cars back down to where they belong.....IMO the only cars that should bring the mega bucks are the ones with full docs.....now that people know there are perfect reproduction parts out there unless a car has full docs you have to assume that there is a strong likelyhood that a crossram set up is a repop and you will pay accordingly for the car......and if you want a package for your own car isn't $8500 alot better than almost $23,000.....by the way, he will be making 69 deck lids too.

[jfkheat]

Are there legal issues repoping these parts? Can they legally reproduce the snowflake, GM part numbers and casting dates? Are these exact reproductions? One problem I can see happening is that someone can have a documented crossram car that no longer has the crossram. They can install one of these repoped ones for $8K and have a $100K plus car.
James

[Jeff H]

Technically, there is no such thing as a documented cross-ram car. It was an over the counter dealer option so it would not be a factory installed option. I know there are cars out there with documentation showing the crossram being ordered with the car so that would be the closest thing. If a repop crossram setup is going to cost $8500 or more, then you might as well step up and get an original GM crossram. A repop setup would have to sell for around $5000 to make it worth buying instead of an original setup. I keep thinking about selling my setup with the GM fiberglass hood, TI stuff, Stahl factory style headers, radio delete, heater delete and Minilite repops to help offset the cost of my JL8's restoration. But every time I think about selling, I think that it would cost even more in the future if I did want to add the stuff.

[92646]

Jeff, what is your opinion of the gulf blue with white stripe 1969 Z/28 that had bidding up to $148,000 on e-bay about a month ago. If I read the description right (and I am going off of memory here) he has documentation showing that the car was ordered with the cross ram and it was installed by GM after the car went through the production line but before the dealer recieved the car. That would contradict everything I know about these cars. Another thing I remember that was odd about the car was the steel cowl induction hood with the smaller cross ram air cleaner asm.

[Jeff H]

I wish I could remember the details on that car well enough. I remember they said it was ordered with JL8 brakes but it was cancelled so that option was not installed. It was hard to read some of the documentation in the pictures but I think there was another option that was not installed(maybe chambered exhaust). That car is a real mystery to me, but if the crossram was added in Engineering like the 68 Z28 conv, then I would not consider it fatory installed since it was not put on the car as it came down the assembly line. That's my opinion on parts added by Engineering so please don't anyone overreact. I wish we knew more details on that Blue car and the documentation with it. Maybe since the car was a special paint they pulled it aside for that and someone saw the other parts ordered with it and they said to install them so the dealer wouldn't have to.

[DarrenX33]

Mark-
There is no mention in the auction of the car being factory installed with the crossram. This is a long known fact that they were strictly over the counter items.

Carolina Blue Z Auction

[JChlupsa]

Just noticed that the Headlight washers were included on this car. Not many at all that are non-RS thats for sure

[hugger_69]

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Jeff, what is your opinion of the gulf blue with white stripe 1969 Z/28 that had bidding up to $148,000 on e-bay about a month ago.

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If memory serves me correctly, the only real special thing about the blue car was the fact that the documents show it being a special paint car and that it was ordered with the Xram and JL8 options on paper. I don't think the crossram was installed at the factory and don't recall that being stated either. The car IMHO, is not worth what it was bid to, if in fact the bids were legitimate to start with. There was some speculation as to the reserve being set that high to create some histeria over it and possibly shill bidding just short of the actual reserve. I think the owner was fishing and that the car will resurface for sale in the very near future asking more than what the eBay run went to.

Just my observations and my little 2 bits worth.

[sean70ss]

A friend of mine in denver said that car came that way it was a good buddy of his that bought the car straight from the factory 1-1 I will see if it came with the crossram or without. Thanx Sean