2002 Motion Camaro

[JoeC]

If they go with the 2nd Gen style Motion stripe I think the L88 stlye hood will look good. I agree it should have some type of side pipe. The Motion Mustang has a side pipe made using a U type muffler where the inlet and exit is in the front then turns out to the side of the car. Joel then used a glass panel to simulate a side pipe cover.
A C2 Corvette side pipe may be difficult to use with factory CATS.

[JoeG]

I miss chrome on the newer cars--I know maybe the styles today call for the color-keyed bumpers , mirrors etc. , and I agree.But I think the car would really step back in time, and at the same time compliment the modern design, with the 67 vette side pipes/slotted stainless heat shield.
I was always partial to the stingray hood,butI guess they will have to see which hood works better with the slant of the hood.If they use an open stingray hood, the driver should be able to close the opening--vacuum or cable control.---- -I needed that--for 2 minutes I actually felt like I was filling out a order-form -O.K. BACK TO REALITY--HOODS--SIDEPIPES ,LIKE THEM ALOT. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

[Andy]

Matt:
Will there be track testing at the Atlanta Dragway? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img] You might just meet a cobra mustang and um, well you know, show them what the bowtie brand is all about! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] They talk a lot of junk to us LS-1 boys so make us proud and run low 11s and get a picture of their reaction. You know the one I am talking about. Here it comes. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img](all at one time!)

Andy Anderson
67 Camaro SS 350
99 Camaro Z/28

[barker]

The small block with BIG ASS HP is the only option !!
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[matt murphy]

OK guys, put the pipe dream down about the wild wing and side pipes. Joel did them in the 60's and 70's because he thought of it. Today, that wild wing on a Camaro looks horrible and my little white car was made fun of by everyone and that alone was more than enough to ensure to others that it wont work. Besides, that car was bought that way and that spoiler is on its way to CA. I bet Charlie can sell it for me out there . . . quick. Just Kidding. It was never an idea for this Motion car, as I like the factory stuff and That Is What Is Collectible, not junk aftermarket stuff. Besides, that white hardtop car is a donor car for another project that has something to do with the dealership I bought it from, Sutliff Chevrolet ???

These cars are going to be unique and nothing some 17 year old kid is going to be able to redo to his V-6 camaro. We have an image here, like the ZL1 to take care of, and I will not entertain an aftermarket piece that has been overdone. Like the ZL1 Supercar package, it is a 2002 version, and this Motion car will be the same. It will be first class and very difficult to imitate.

No 454 Big Block engines here, we are in the year 2003 and we are going to use the same engine that the C5R Corvettes ran last weekend in Le Mans. This motor is the modern day ZL1 motor and it has the racing history that the original ZL1 motors had in Can Am and the late 60's and early 70's Corvettes, as well as Drag Racing. I don't think you will find any street driven 60's or 70's big block 454 or 427 that can handle 12:1 compression and make over 500hp to the rear wheels like this new modern day big block is making and still get 22 to 24 mpg, with AC.

This 427 C5R Race Case is no small block, except maybe for the fact that it will fit in our Camaro, but 600 plus HP, and the streetability of a vintage big block, why go back to an old big block that wont fit, and if you think it did in Jon Moss's late model ZL1 Prostreet Camaro, then look again at the cutting they had to do. I don't mean to be getting on your ideas, but we went through this 25 times or more with the ZL1 owners, just ask Bill Porterfield and anyone else here about their original thoughts and ask them what they think of the new 427 motor now that they have one. Modern technology has come a long way and if you want to see a 9 second Motion car, well, stick around, because one of these 20 cars will be running in the 9's.

This is going to be a fun project and your input is valuable and I will listen to any ideas, so please don't stop with the pipe dreams, but go easy on the rear spoiler and side pipes, Charlie is getting nervous. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]

[mc25t190]

i love the 9 sec. remark, i better take some driving lessons from charlie or perhaps matt, gone in less than 4 seconds. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/[/img]

[Charley Lillard]

Take lessons from me and I will have you in the 12's with that 9 second car. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/[/img]

[JoeC]

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the engines here. The way I see it, there is no modern big block like the old engines. In the 60s and 70s there were two different size blocks that became known as Big block and Small block Chevy engines. You don't have 2 block sizes today. The ZL1 (RPO) and the CanAm (race engine) were two different aluminum big blocks. Road racing Corvettes and Super Stock drag cars used the ZL1 block because the CanAm block was not legal. Top CanAm race cars and Pro Stock used the stronger CanAm race block. The CR5 is a race version of the LS1/LS6 RPO Corvette engine. It is more like a small block but since there is no modern big block there is no need to refer to it as a small block. The 427 CR5 is a great engine but it is not a modern day ZL1 or CanAm big block engine. In my opinion it is a completely different animal.

[sYc]

Charley, do not be too hard on your self. Heck, I was worse then you in your ZL-1, and I am the one who advocates racing these cars. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] I am glad I did not have to race Mark, as he may have done worse then "spank" me. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

[Charley Lillard]

"The 427 CR5 is a great engine but it is not a modern day ZL1 or CanAm big block engine." Lemme see. It Won Lemans and is a all Aluminum 427 that makes 600 hp. And was designed for racing just as the Can Am was. How much closer can you get ?